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Just means that they aren't investigating it not that there is any verification that he didn't do it. LMAO at fighters being closely monitored the athletic commission yet it took Brother Richardson to probe before the Mosley fight.

this pretty much sounds like "we didnt see shit and theres no way for us to find out anyway so i guess he didnt do it for the cotto fight"

Read between the lines. They're waiting to see what the California Commission does...

Yup pretty much.

But like i've said if it was aginst another fighter who didn't have a history of cheating i would agree with most here but Mosley was a cheat aswell and god knows how many times he may have gotten away with it in the past. So i say f*ck it an eye for an eye.

This article only proves that they don't know shit. Once a cheater always a ________, or at least until they're caught.

So the same should go for Mosley right?

I posted a forum about Mosely's ass some time ago. I as a fighter have no respect for cheating. If you can't get it on merit, hard work, talent, and smarts, then it wasn't meant to be. Mosely's lucky Karma didn't catch his ass. He had a good trainer in Naz and that was a blessing.

Vastly different levels of cheating, so, no.

Cheating is cheating being juiced up can give you a big f*king advantage. Trust me i know.

the real point is if the commission collects the wraps after each fight like they do piss test, there would never even be a question @ all! it's that plain & simple IMO!

As I said in another thread I'm not of the mindset that 'cheating is cheating'. Of course if you get caught cheating you have to suffer the consequences but not all crimes are committed equal. Jaywalking is not the same as rape. And taking steroids to improve your endurance is not the same as putting bricks in your glove to pulverize your opponent's face. I'm sorry, not you or Method or anybody else on this board is going to convince me different.

And the Mosley thing was five years ago and by all accounts (so far) is over and done with. Margarito was three days ago. Quit trying to deflect attention away from the relevant matter at hand and quit trying to excuse Margarito just because Mosley got caught doing something completely different five years ago. An eye for an eye, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Ofcourse if your biased towards that fighter you'll see it that way.

Thats' a very good point. I guess they would have to open the gloves after the final bell. I don't think they would implement it though due to live broadcast.

My friend, you're as biased a poster as there is on this site. I remember you from past arguments and you simply have a hard time accepting things when they don't go your way.

The eye for an eye comment - are you saying that because Mosley admitted to past steroid use that it's just open season on him from here on out as far as you're concerned? That his opponent should be allowed to hit him with a bat if he chooses to do so?

Cheating is cheating, right?

LOL... You must be a Margarito fan!!!




Was Mosley the one that tried to "CHEAT" on Saturday?

Most fighters take their gloves off right after the fight...you have 2 or 3 guys from the commission standing there waiting for the wraps, one guy writes the name of the fighter & all of them sign the zip lock bag! It's so cut & dry IMO! They wouldn't even have to test the wraps, just inspect them closely & as long as nothing came up hard there would be no problems or testing of the wraps. You can't get any simpler then that!!! Wraps here please & a few minutes later piss in this cup!

I agree with Big Slim here completely. His analogy to jaywalking and rape is very fitting. Margarito's cheating is FAR worse than Mosley's. Stretch it out as long as you want, but are you going to honestly say that Mosley taking enhancing drugs is as dangerous as Margarito loading his gloves? Seriously now. Think about it.

It is completely ridiculous that people are even bringing up Shane's case. I mean steroid allegations isn't being brought up in THIS fight, so why does it even matter? What does Shane taking roids in the past have to do with Margarito loading his gloves? It's like people are saying, "Yeah, Margarito did something that could potentially kill someone, but Shane cheated in the past, so it really isn't all that bad." It's a red herring. Plain and simple.

Yep, he cheating by landing so many clean & hard punches to the head & body!

They definately need to fight again with the exact same type of gloves from there first fight. They need to make sure Margarito has his hands wrapped legally, then fight for about 10-12 rounds and see how Cotto's face looks. Then just compare.

Of course the head of the NSAC says that nothing dirty happened in his state.



What's he supposed to say? "We don't normally check fighter's hand wraps, so who knows if he cheated." lol The guy has to cover his ass and say that in Nevada...the shit is clean.

I think Maragrito should be punished to the full extent for that sh*t I don't give a f*ck whether im a fan or not there's no excuse for something like that but like I said it was Mosley for god sake and no I don't think it's should be open season on him from here on out but it would have been a good karma just to get his ass back this once.

That is pointless reasoning. If that's how you think, the sport will never be clean.

Yeah that'll work.

Im sorry, but if you two really feel that one of these is jay walking, and the other is rape, then you are BOTH fucking stupid. There's really no other explanation.

Cheating is cheating and both of them should have gotten some sort of punishment however, the punishment should fit the crime. If anybody doesn't see that there is a different level of severity between juicing and lacing your hands with concrete then there really isn't any point in debating them on this.

Right. Just like how your childish insult had no explanation. When people point fingers, they don't realize there's three fingers pointing back at them.

Expected more out of you bro.

Why do I get the feeling that if the tables were turned some of you wouldn't be thinking that way especially considering the enormous Margarito hate around this board.

No, if Shane Mosley used loaded gloves, I'd think he is a bitchmade fighter for that shit, but I also wouldn't bring up the past of Margarito either.

I didn't even dislike Margarito before this whole incident. I just thought he was overrated. But this shit that he tried to pull, this is fucking disgusting.

Method has always been like that... If you say something he doesn't like then you're a fucking moron. Don't sweat it dude.

If that's how you really feel then it's a good thing that you're not a fighter or a trainer.

Yeah figured that. Dude is a good poster though, but I guess only when you agree with him

Oh yeah no doubt! He's a really good poster but God forbid you say something against him.

"When he opened it up, a little square block of old wet gauze packed real tight came out," Richardson said. "It was like it had plaster on it. I think it had an old dried up blood stain on it."

WOW!!!!!


Where the fuck did you find that?

I never boxed... But is it normal to have a blood stain under your gloves?

Who's blood was it? Cotto's? Cintron's?

They should DNA test it...not that DNA tests prove anything in California.

When you bust up your knuckles it is...

I'm roving, man....finding all kinds of shit...lol

I've never boxed...but I'm thinking yes...if the one wearing the gloves knuckles bled....

I'm trying to let y'all think this out on your own....but wouldn't it make sense if they reused pieces that were already shaped to fit Margarito's knuckles?


P.S.~ For those who don't know...yep...that's the Cotto fight.

the nail in the coffin

and I forgot to highlight this part of Naaz' observation....

"When he opened it up, a little square block of old wet gauze packed real tight came out," Richardson said. "It was like it had plaster on it. I think it had an old dried up blood stain on it."


They'll probably never be able to prove that he used plaster against Cotto...unless there's confessions.....but I'm convinced he did...

Wow!

How can they possibly claim otherwise?

cotto needs to hire c.e.o. because if the is doing this with just info on the net imagine the shit he would find lol

There's alot of details and semantics....like maybe it wasn't a blood stain observed before the Mosley fight ....but it WAS described as an OLD piece of gauze....and you'd think Richardson could tell the difference between old and new gauze...

but anyway....

This is just telling me something we already knew after we heard he got busted....




There's no way to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt....they'll just deny and deny I think...unless it was Cotto's blood....and I don't think there's any way that could be the case....maybe they could test "the age" of the blood? I know a little about forensics....but I'm not sure if they can do that or not...

I'm a Professional Hater, man...what can I say?

Great post but this is not even apples to oranges. Lets be realistic here, after Mosley lost to Forrest he was looking frankly like schit. Between "Wack Jack's" "powerboxing" (sighing at that) and this being the time he was "juicing", it's NOT like Mosley was seeing positive results. Lets go back shall we. The Marquez fight was damn near even before it was stopped. No need to even discuss the Wright fights. By then he went back to welterweight where again, he didn't look great against Estrada or Cruz. The point being is Mosley didn't really see any advantages by juicing. I forgot, he barely beat dela Hoya the second time. Had Oscar not had his typical lack of conditioning and fading late, he would have won that fight.

On the other hand Margarito has what are nearly bricks in his hand. A wrapped hand is already solid, with some "plaster" like substance, you're talking literally about a "cast" in hand. Heck, I'm amazed crybaby Cintron hasn't spoken out yet.

It's hard to imagine that Cotto's blood would somehow go through the glove, onto Margarito's handwraps and I've been a boxer for about 5 years now. Granted, it's only amateur ranks, but I've made some muthafuckas bleed (as they have me), and I've never seen anything like that happen before.

Back to the topic...

My only question is "How?"


Yes and old wet gauze with blood stains on them are the best way to do that.

This article is completely useless. I'm surprised it even made to a publication like Sports Illustrated.

Obviously jaywalking is not to rape what steroids are to loaded gloves. It was an extreme comparison and I'm sure Snoopnick realized that when he agreed with it. I'm not stupid brother, no need to be sorry.

I have no idea why you get that feeling. Until this situation I'd consistently been one of Margarito's most vocal supporters here for years.