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Brad,all this weight lifting talk is stupid..Look at shoulder muscles in Larry Holmes or Dempsey and compare them to Tyson or Lacy..The shoulder is tight and compact(like Mosley)..Dempsey's shoulder muscles are going into his bicep muscle just about..
BigG knows what he's talking about when it comes to Ali..How the hell can someone rate Foreman over Ali??Ali was in the best era of heavyweight boxing..If ya can pick someone over Ali,I think Louis is the only guy..Watch Joe Louis and watch Ray Robinson and tell me if ya see a big different in style(not speed or power)..There isn't much difference at all..
Lacy I can't say anything, but maybe if Mosley and Tyson didn't lift weights they could have been something....oops LOL. Larry Holmes was beaten up by a weight lifting light heavyweight in Michael Spinks!
Ali was in the best era of heavyweight boxing..............and??? What era was Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton and George Foreman in, all guys who I think are better than Ali. Shit, Ken Norton beat Ali in three fights that I watched. Joe Frazier beat Ali in two of the fights I watched and with bad cataracts in his eye. A Joe Frazier with bad health beat your #1 heavyweight, it was only after Joe fought Foreman that he slowed down to the point where Ali could be competitive against him. If Ali was #1, then why was he so scared of Liston in the rematch that he postponed the fight when his spy's found out that Liston was in his best shape ever, and postponed it to a date where he could get his goons to visit Liston beforehand and tell him to fall from a PHANTOM punch? Sonny Liston was over 40 years old at that time, its known that he lied about his age. Ali won the first fight mostly due to Liston underestimating him. Or Maybe Floyd Patterson was right and Liston did in fact throw not just one but both of the fights with Ali. Patterson went twelve rounds with Ali with a bad back injury but couldn't last 2 rounds with Liston in two fights combined. If I was Ali I would have paid Liston to take a dive too, especially given the fact that Ali was beaten by a no name light heavweight in his fight before Liston and got a gift decision, the writing was on the wall. Who was that no name fellow again who was on his way to knocking Ali out before the glove controversy? Thats right, Henry Cooper, the Henry Cooper who said “If Mr. Liston approached me on the street, I would walk the other way.” Fixed fights, cheating during fights, shit how many times has the so called greatest resorted to methods other than boxing to win. All that witch doctor shit before fighting Foreman was the work of a scared man.
George Foreman made a huge error in startegy when fighting Ali in their one and only fight, do you really think that a professional boxer on his level would make the same mistake if they rematched. Foreman DESTROYED Frazier and Norton and both of those guys whooped Ali. I know styles makes fights but so does skills.
Didn't Ali duck Zora Folley until he was past his prime at 35 years old. Oh well, lets just give Ali the credit for it, I don't think 35 is old for a heavyweight, or 38 for that matter. Vitali Klitschko is 38. Where do you rate Trevor Berbick and Larry Holmes on a top heavyweight list?