Hell Yeah!!! Get that Sh*t on.

Rubish, all I can say is.
“Dream what you want to dream; go where you want to go; be what you want to be, because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do.”

BAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAA!!

If Maywether ever gets the balls to fight you, do me a favour and hit them.

What m/second, of which round?

What have I told you about embelishing the truth son? Porky is actually 385.

Mayweather, just like others, is using "retirement" as a way to avoid fights with some people.

If he didn't retire, there's no way he could have avoided fighting the big welters.

Exactly. So simple. Just like I would have given Floyd more credit had he beaten Hatton at 140, I would give him tons more credit were he to come back and beat JMM at 135 instead of 147. I don't care whether being the p4p best gives him the right to call the shots. Challenge your damn self bitch.


And that's the infuriating thing about this little bastard. We as fans could have witnessed greatness achieved, not just greatness perceived (I got that shit from Ernie Hudson in "The Substitute").

Oh, and LMFAO @ JonnysTrainer. Whoever is doing that, you had my eyes tearing up from laughter a minute ago.

I'm not so sure about that. Shane's handspeed is still comparable to Floyd's, and he is much, much stronger. I think he could possibly intimidate him. I definitely don't think Floyd could beat Shane just by running around and potshotting him. He'd have to stand his ground and fight at times. And then what happens? How would Lil Floyd react to one of those bodyshots? How about when one of those overhand rights clips him above the left ear? I'd be very curious to find out.

Hell Yeah!!! Lil Floyd is gonna get hit, lets see how he reacts. Listen, Shane is the best welterweight right now. So what the fight did not happen years before, lets focus on the present, make the fight now between two awesome welterweights and see who is the best. I am sure Mosley would take the fight, is Floyd really interested in fighting the best or just fattening his pockets?

I think what people fail to realize is that every fighter capitalizes on opportunities such as these. I mean everyone on this board remembers SRL retiring and not fighting until Hagler showed he could be beaten. Everyone fails to realize how Aaron Pryor was calling out SRL and he didn't get called out for it. Lots of greats have done it and will continue to do it, but you guys are just so anti-Floyd. Let's look at some facts for a second.

#1: Where was all of the Shane hate when Floyd called him out after the Vargas fight. (I'll wait.)

#2: When Floyd and Miguel were fighting in the same weight class, same promoter, where was the outcry to Arum to make the fight? (This one too.!)

#3: When is Kelly Pavlik going to get a "Hate-Wagon" or dump after the shitty fights he has taken since the JT rematch? As in Arthur Abraham, Felix Strum and those guys who have a legitimate claim to the 160 pound throne as opposed to getting an ass-whipping and a check from a guy a weight class above you.

The double standard of some the board members here are sickening. You like Floyd and all of the boxers with "say-so" pick and choose your battles. B-Hop (One of my favorites) is thinking of jumping to Cruiserweight as opposed to fight "Bad Chad." Come on y'all. Give the guy little slack. As for campaigning at Welter, what weight class is the world "P4P" campaigning at. It seems like he's jumping for buck just as Floyd was. Surely David Diaz was the man at 135 when Pac fought him right? Right.

LMAO, I liked that movie. Nothing spectacular just an entertaining movie. I'm going to dig up the speech Berenger gives in the classroom after he beats up some students.

LOL! Pacquiao is now fighting the #1 guy at 140. Sooner or later Pac's gonna get stopped. He's challenging himself and biting more he could chew. If he wins against Hatton, he's gonna fight Cotto next.

There's no need for this "call out" thing in boxing. If two fighters are interested, then the fight gets made. Heck, fights even get made without opponents previously calling out one another. The fighters can synch their schedules using their managers, promoters, etc. And not by them calling out one another. LOL! I never thought that this calling out thingy is a prerequisite.

There are callouts everyday. There is always somebody in boxing saying "Let's make the fight or I want this guy." It happens all the time. As for your previous point, it is fair to say he's fighting "one of the tops" in 140, but why not go after Timothy Bradley or Andre Berto, who I both think would give Hatton the business. Nothing racist, but I want to see Manny fight someone with a black skill. With the exception of Marquez, who I believe should be forever linked with Pacquiao, but I want him to fight Floyd or Nate Campbell. Someone who is not going to try to bullrush him and give him movement. A cutie.

Before I go any further, I would like to say that Manny has been phenomenal these last couple of years, but I don't think we should denegrate Floyd's reign because for as long as it lasted, he was brilliant. If they were to fight it would be a big deal because the latest 'P4P' can actually meet up. You guys have logical emotional arguments against Floyd because he comes off as arrogant, but to say he's not doing what other pound for pounds have done is a crazy biased in my opinion.

1- You're a racist.

2- Call outs are meaningless if you or your management already have a fight for you.

3- I did want to see Pacquiao-Campbell but he keeps screwing up his chances at a Pacquiao fight.

4- Every time someone criticizes Mayweather he is "hatin'" on him because they don't like his arrogance. But couldn't the inverse happen? Which is to say that his fans cannot see the facts that others non haters put foward and so they resort to calling those critics "haters".

5- Maywweather was P4P but nothing spectacular. I tell you what though, I think his victories over Judah and Hatton are underrated. Judah was outboxing him and he had to come out with a plan B and pulled it out. Then in 07 he beat the 140 champion by knocking his ass out. That's pretty good in my opinion but people like to claim that Hatton was too small or it should have been at 140. If anything it would have been worse for Hatton at 140 because he would have had to drain himself and those later rounds would look mighty uglier than they did at 147.

6- Paquiao is going to stop Hatton sooner that Mayeather did and he will be upstaged by Pacquiao again.

My dude, Ray Robinson never planned to campaign at Lt-heavy, remember Leonard/Kalule, Leonard/Hagler, Leonard/LaLonde, Jones/Ruiz and the list goes on and on. The MAIN reasons these big fights and unification tournaments dont happen is the PROMOTERS. Mayweather/Cotto should've happened. Floyd was coming up in weight there is NO EXCUSE why Cotto didn't fight him except for the fact that Bob Arum knew he would take home a L. This is not golf. If the P4P guy calls you out you accept the challenge even if the date has to be negotiated. NO EXCUSE! Mosley should've accepted the challenge! Pacquiao hasn't really fought anyone but fighters that will come straight at him. If he survives Hatton, Floyd, Shane, Cotto or a slick fighter like Campbell will handle him you'll see. There is definitely some weird bias ish going on in here but facts are facts that's why we're still talking about Floyd cause even in retirement he's still the man to measure up against. It's great to see a unified champion but the promoters and sanctioning bodies wont allow it. But it's even greater to see a fighter challenge champions in higher weight classes. THIS IS A BUSINESS. IT'S ALL ABOUT HIGH PROFILE FIGHTS.

1. Not at all but it could be taken that way since I haven't seen him in with a top African American fighter.

2. Really. What about Ricky/ Floyd, Leonard/ Hagler, Floyd/ Judah. They happen.

3. Agreed, but Nate wasn't overweight for all of that time. Call it like it is. Pac pulled a Baldo, when he fought the weakest of the lightweights. I get the politics because they both are on Top Rank, but Pac and Freddie have a lot more say so on who they fight than most boxers.

4. Agreed. Just because you don't like something it doesn't mean you're a hater. We just a have a difference of opinion on that note.

5. Floyd has been spectacular inside the ropes his whole career. What "Post Ray Leonard era" fighter can say they have done the same and in the manner that Floyd has? Not Slappy Joe. Hindsight is always 20/20 and we can say the people he fought weren't tough enough. Well could it be he made them look that way.

6. We'll see, but I can see Ricky pulling off Kostya Tszyu on Manny. It can happen and I want everyone to remember where you heard it first

I think a lot of people are really overlooking Hatton here.

Pacquiao does not not like being roughed up, and he will be. Manny may well win, but this fight isn't the lock a lot of people seem to be pegging it as. I think Hatton is going to make Pac very uncomfortable.

Another factor in Hatton's favor will be his strength and activity level. This will be a definate contrast in styles, because both have very good footwork.

That aside, If Hatton thinks he's going to come into that ring and OUTBOX Pacquiao because he's been training with Floyd Sr. he's totally crazy and deluded. No way does he outbox Pacquiao, his only hope is to maul and smother.

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On to this notion that fighter's who fight the best in another weight class {either higher or lower} doesn't count, is totally and completely absurd. On what {Outside of the rules and logic} basis is that argument sound?

The common denominator is that fighters make weight 24hrs. before the fight. If both fighters make weight then the fight is both legitimate and valid.

Every fighter from Armstrong to Pacquiao to Hatton to RJJ to B-Hop, have moved up and down in weight class and most of their most notible wins have been when they did.

No one can dismiss a boxer's accomplishment simply because they have a emotional dislike of that person. What is this "THE WORLD ACCORDING TO {Insert Name}" ????

Total BS!!!!

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On to the other point. Promoters have gotten in the way of many great fights in the past and still do in the present. So, don't blame the fighter because he didn't fight so-in-so, you never know 'what' actual circumstances that prevented it, were in play. Arum has a bad habit of nursing his fighters and I hold him completely responsible for alot of good fights that should have happened, but didn't.

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Hatton may actually have the quicker feet of the two, and I am not sure Pac has even been in the ring with someone who can bounce or close as quick, or quicker than him.

I can't really see that well, but are you sitting in front of a big stack of Natural Light in that picture?

You're definitely making some good points, but I think a lot of what you say can be disputed. PBF is not SRL. He may be his equal inside the ring, but outside they're not on the same planet. SRL's celebrity was far closer to DLH, who we've all come to accept runs the boxing universe and that's just how that goes. Floyd is nowhere near those two as far as popularity outside the ring and that's what gives guys the right to call the shots.

1- This one's been discussed to death around here lately. A lot of folks don't feel the call out was even legit. Like Fitz said, the DLH-PBF upcoming fight was more or less a forgone conclusion already. If anything Floyd was calling Shane out in a 'I call my own shots while you let your wife and Oscar call yours" kind of way. Hey, maybe Shane even listened.

2- Cotto didn't reach the level where there was real interest in a fight with Floyd until after his fights with Judah and Mosley. There was plenty of outcry for the fight at that time but Floyd decided to retire. Cotto was not ready for PBF in 2005-06 and I think most everyone realized that.

I suspect Pavlik's popularity will be decreasing steadily if he doesn't fight either Sturm or Abraham soon. But the standard for him is significantly lower than for a guy of Floyd's caliber. Floyd's the best, right? So that's where his bar is set.

You're right that Hopkins is getting a pass for avoiding Dawson, but Hopkins is 44 years old. Floyd is 30. And it forever remains suspect that he decided to retire at a time when there seemed to be an influx of tough challenges awaiting him. More than at any other time in his career previously.

Good stuff slim. I believe RL was more beloved and on par with DLH, but the thing is, the challenges were there. There are always lingering opponents for all of the best. Why didn't Roy fight Darryl Mikowhateverhisnameis? Why didn't Morales fight Marquez? Why, why, why? There are so many names we can throw into the pot, but do we deny their reigns of greatness because they never fought those guys. No we don't. Floyd on the otherhand is doing exactly what Roy did and he is shreaded by it.

I'm not in denial about the big pool of solid WW during Floyd's time as champ, but there are so many people that could've been and actually did fight in the meantime and between time. Seriously would anybody really consider Floyd the king if he knocked off Shane now? Who lost to Cotto but beat Margarito. It's still a big mess in WW. I can't 100% Shane is the best, because he lost to the man he just beat (under cloudy circumstances now.) There is always somebody to beat because boxing fans (like Hip-Hop fans) are rarely satisfied in my opinion.

He clears out WW, then we're going to be asking him to fight whoever the man at 154. It's not the same anymore and I truly believe the guy is playing the game as it has been played for years.

All this mumble,jumble about being ready is a bunch of BS. If your sparring partner (referring to Cotto) can fight him you can too so let's cut the BS. Again I'm a Shane fan but that was a bitch ass move turning Floyd down. This is the fight game. You guys act like yall were there when Oscar told Shane not to accept the fight. Shane should've accepted NO EXCUSE and not once but twice. You don't say go pick on Tony. The man challenged you and I know for a fact it was a legit challenge. He clearly told Shane I have a open date on my schedule coming up and I would love to whip on your ass if your wife would allow me to. So let's at least call it what it is. Would PBF have stood a chance against Leonard or Hearns HELL NO but that's not what we're discussing. The only thing Floyd didn't do was kick Margarito's cheating ass and I know he would've.

preach on.. hatton is not a lock to lose this fight but it seems most seem to think he is....lol... most it seems thinks this is gonna be a walk in the park like hatton has zero chance...

Floyds not coming out of retirement. He's just announcing he has aids from taking too many cocks in the locker room. Thats why he was at a town with a dying steel industry. Havent you seen the simpsons episode where moe says "where you been Homer, the entire steel industry has gone gay"

I agree with you and the ref is going to be crucial. If Hatton's allowed to hold and wrestle, Pac's in for a long night. Also, if Hatton can just manage to lunge in with jabs rather than wide shots, he's going to have a really good chance of knocking Pac out. Hatton's too big for Pac.

That said, if Hatton just comes in throwing wide shots, Pac will pick him apart.

Hatton TKO10

So he should have said "Fuck you Oscar?"

I want to hear more about this,


And he also didn't beat any good welterweights.

Normally I snip such posts but I like this one very much. You may be a PBF jocker but I agree 100% with the sentiment of cleaning out the division. Who of these fighters has the balls to go & hospitalise the others on this list?

That is pure 24K shit there!



Not in his wildest dreams is he at that level or could be.

You should know me Jack. I don't really want to see him hurt permanantly just fucked up real bad & put in a hospital for 3 or 4 months.

Who was Cotto's sparring partner? Punk ass Brussels? Come the fuck on that joke was brought in for no reason other than to keep Floyd warm while he waited to force Gatti into a fight. A bullshit fight at that which Floyd more or less stalled his career two years waiting for, the little faggot.

Floyd's call out of Mosley was bullshit. You don't know anything for a fact. You act like this is the streets. Like Floyd called out Shane in front of his crew. Even if Shane had called the little homo's bluff, do you think they ever would have agreed on a purse? Shane deserved 50/50 parity at that point. Do you honestly think Floyd would have taken 4.5 million to fight Shane instead of the 8.000001-1 split he got for fighting Baldomir?

Where was the twice? You've never answered that. When was the first time Floyd called Shane out? He didn't.

Fuck Floyd Mayweather. Say something new in his defense Sugar. Quit with the same tired bullshit.

I had forgotten about the Gatti fight. Cotto had no market value like today where he can sell out Madison Square Garden. Arum would not have risked his PROSPECT by matching him against the Best fighter in the world especially since that PROSPECT had no following. Plus like you said, the Gatti fight was already done so no way would the powers that be risk that one.

Gayweather has been the biggest coward in boxing besides CuntSlappy! How many times has GBF been challenged and made excuses not to fight....against Mosley...against Cotto....against Margacheato! I agree he would chop Cheato up if they fought but that doesnt change the fact he didnt even want to discuss a fight with him.

Its funny you are on here talking about who GBF called out when he has been ducking everybody and is clearly only a paycheck fighter....I wouldnt even call him that based on his turn down of 8million to fight Cheato. Forget GBF calling out Shane once....what about Shane saying he is growing feathers....Cheato calling him a coward and asking him to his face why he didnt wanna fight him.....and Cotto saying he is ready? The bottem line is if Gayweather is the best then he should prove it against the best...not duck and dodge and talk retirement making excuses every time one of their names comes up!

If we are talking about the past...then let it be the most recent past....and the most recent past is Gayweather ducking the real beasts in the welterweight division. Sure he'll fight an old DLH...or a Zab...or a little defenseless Ricky Hatton.....and he might fight another small guy like Marquez or a Pacman....but he wants no part of the other guys I mentioned...his history and his words tell the story.

All you have to ask yourself is would Shane ever turn down the opportunity to fight PBF?

Regardless of whether you think Shane would win or lose against Floyd I seriously don't think Shane is scared of anyone, period!

Floyd damn well knew there was no way De La Fishnets would allow Shane to get first crack at him, thus it was a pretty safe move to call him out for that November date.

For the record I doubt PBF is scared of Shane either but it was a punk move to call him out when he did.

Oscar was/is boxing's biggest earner and Shane was always going to have to wait in line (but hey he still got a cut of the action too.)

I'm not a full-time jocker

Clottey seems to always be in limbo for some reason. He has one fight and you don't hear anything about him for a year, then he fights again. He last fought in August 08.

Mosley, just smacked down AM in January 09 and I think out of all the WW Champs out there -- has the better change of collecting all the belts.

Berto fought Collozo in January 09, but who knows if he's going to step up and become a little more active.

Cotto just fought in February 09 and has an open date in June 09, So hopefully he will be matched with one of the current belt holders.

I think the problem is that many fighter's today let their management call all the shots. This is always a bad idea IMHO, because promoters are going to protect their contractual property until they can groom another.

Fighter's today need to take more control of their destiny and start calling people to the carpet. Because if they rely on people like Arum to do it ...... its just not going to happen.

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That's one of the many things I like about Paul Williams. He is running from camp to camp calling all these dudes out and no one wants to get in the ring with him.

That's what all these WW Champs should be doing instead of sitting around waiting to make their mark.

Well it's funny you say that, because that morning I had to leave the gym early and go to the local store to do some volunteer work for the kids as we were getting some........

*comes around and clips rusty across the head with a left open palm*

You really are telling the truth, you really can't see that well. Your first mistake is that you assumed. I will give you a sound bit of advice; you should always be prepared for the unexpected. That's what I always tell my guys.

Mayweather SR said that they tried to get Mosley years ago when PBF was at lower weights and Shane balked-- call him gayweather all you want-- but PBF chops Mosely up--- and I bet Floyd has not stepped out of the gym and in a clip I saw of him on FNF he looks to be in great shape like always--


Mayweather and Mosley needs to happen- and when it does-- Floyd will win - I see these guys going at it boxer/puncher style from start to finish

Agreed. More than anything, it just needs to happen.

But when it doesn't, I'll blame Mayweather, since he's the one preventing it.

Regardless of what happens, I think things are jelling in boxing now. I see Clottey beating Miguel Cotto, baring some crazy judging which will bring some new match-ups out of the woodworks. That's a name that hasn't been thrown in the hat and I think he will be shaping things up. Though I think he should be in the hate-dump, Kermit Cintron hasn't lost to anyone at WW not named Antonio Margarito, so there is a possibility for him to get a belt. No one really needs Floyd to be the man in the division, because there are dozens of other people who are going to actually try to be the king of the division. Floyd is Oscar level as draw in boxing if he chooses. Which is not a great thing, but there won't be this hold up progress.

That's what I think as well, if Cotto could outbox Mosley for 8 rounds then imagine what PBF would do.

And that was with Jack as his trainer. Lets see what happens in his next fight with Naz in his corner. I seen major improvements with Shane already. I would just like to see this so called greatest fighter actually take the fight, instead of just imagine about it. About Cotto too, he could not even handle AM, and look what happened to AM when Shane got a hold of him. So just because Cotto had success with Mosley, does not mean PBF will.

Mosley looked good against Margarito's style. I don't think it is far fetched to say that if Cotto outboxed Mosley then the best boxer in the world can too.

Naz had Hopkins all for himself in the Taylor rematch and that fight was even worse for Hopkins. So Naz will not make Mosley into a completely different guy.

All this Mosley talk is really laughable by people who dont know much about boxing. Fact is Mosley has been past his prime for years and not shown anything special except against rock apes who stand infront of him and cant box. His success in his last fight was simply stylistic, I cant believe the bang wagoners crying for him to fight mayweather. It would be a very boring fight imo with shane getting his face boxed off.

That's how it is, you're as good as your last fight and for some people Mosley is a god.

Mosley is a good fighter and he would have his moments but like you said (and I have also) Mayweather outboxes Mosley. Obstacle number one for Mosley would be how to get away from Mayweather's jab. Then he has at least 3 other obstacles to get through.

I believe that putting pressure on Mayweather is not going to work unless it is done by a very good one like Castillo and not by a wide lunging, no plan B fighter like Hatton and even then that is what Mayweather wants, to outbox you and have you chasing him. No, the guy who is going to beat Mayweather will be the guy who can outbox him, Judah was outboxing him but he couldn't fight on the inside and once Mayweather upped the pressure Judah folded.

But who can outbox Mayweather?

These are the reasons why Mayweather should stay retired and enjoy his bankruptcy.

1. His fans say that He will beat Shane.
2. His fans say that He will beat Cotto.
3. His fans say that He will beat AM.
4. His fans say that He will beat Pacquiao.
5. His fans say that He will beat Marquez.
6. His fans say that He will beat anybody at welter and down under.

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7. Mayweather no longer needs any money.

I want to see MarzB get into the mix here.

LOL!

I think Mayweather beats Shane. But I want to see them fight.

Oops! I think Mayweather should stay bankrupt for a while.