QUOTE(Nay_Sayer @ Mar 17 2009, 03:49 PM) [snapback]428544[/snapback]
I'm guessing you guys are younger, maybe mid twenties to early thirties?
I've been watching HW Boxing since the Mike Tyson era. I've seen some good heavyweights come and go. Wlad isn't one of them...
I'm late 30s...been watching avidly since like Ali-Norton....you're like a babe in the woods...
Wlad is a very good
Heavyweight...and a very good
boxer....a better boxer than Hatton....period.
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Mar 17 2009, 03:56 PM) [snapback]428545[/snapback]
Im not saying Wlad is a all time great... Im saying that he should be up for consideration for the P4P list AND his resume is better than HAtton's.
No...he's not...he's not near Lennox level yet either....people can bash his chin all they want...I'd say it's average for a heavy.....but his Boxing skills can NOT be denied...
My point was and is that Lil' Klit is a better "P4P boxer" than Hatton....and that his style is Hatton's worst nightmare...his own clinching strength, that jab, that hook off the jab...the right hand....FORGET ABOUT IT.
Hatton would get SLAUGHTERED in this hypothetical matchup.
QUOTE(Big Slim @ Mar 17 2009, 04:22 PM) [snapback]428549[/snapback]
I don't know...Wlad was like the equivalent of 2-3 weight divisions heavier than Byrd. I can't really give him any p4p points for obliterating the little guy, especially since the little guy likely had his mind on some REAL punishment he was set to receive from that screaming banshee wife of his when he got home.
Hatton got on the p4p radar cause he was undefeated when he stopped Tszyu, who most folks had in their top 5 p4p at the time. No matter how disgraceful the circumstances of that win were - and they were absolutely fucking disgraceful - it remains by far the best win of either man's (Hatton & Wlad) career.
Also, getting KTFO by Floyd Mayweather is a better look - turnbuckle aside, lol - than getting mopped up by the likes of Ross Purity, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster. I know we're going on five years now, but it's hard to look past those utterly humiliating losses. Wlad may have even been on his way to getting KO'd by Touch of Crap in their fight later that year as well.
Gotta side with Nay Sayer here. Though I agree Hatton's record is overrated (one of the reasons I hate the fact PBF chose to fight him over Mosley). If you made the two the same weight you'd have Hatton at about 6'3" 240. I think his roughhouse tactics would be too much for Wlad, who's inner vagina I believe would blossom to the surface once again.
The Tszyu "W" IS the biggest single win of both their careers...but the circumstances of how he gained that win MUST be taken into consideration....and his performances since then
Hatton may have had some humiliating losses too if he wouldn't have been so blatantly protected.......look at his resume BEFORE Tszyu....it's outright laughable, Slim...he fought some bum named Mark Ramsey TWICE....several fights apart.....he has one of, if not the most, padded resume(s) I've seen in modern times....and what has he really
done in the last 4 years that makes him remain in Top 10 P4P consideration....nothing, I say.
Regardless....you can side with Nay on records and disappoint me if you want...you know how cool we are....lol....but to me, the answer is most simple....Wladmir Klitschko has the better career
, and is straight up a P4P better boxer
QUOTE(JLUVBABY @ Mar 17 2009, 06:35 PM) [snapback]428575[/snapback]
whats funny is the same thing being said about klitschko is the same thing that was being said about lennox before him... he isnt a champ that captivates the general public so i guess i cant blame you guys i just know a good fighter when i see one and he is most def. one... people felt the same about larry holmes back in the day and he is most def at least a top 5 heavy of all time and i rank him 3... not putting wlad into that same catagory but just saying he is better than what i think some on this board want o give him credit for.. he for sure is not garbage..
That's true...Wladimir gets killed around here....and I think you know me...I'm not a superfan of ANYBODY'S....I hate damn near all of 'em...lol.....the ONLY reason I'm arguing about this with a little fervor is because Nay thinks (or is acting like) Hatton is better than Klitschko in a P4P boxer sense...
QUOTE(Thegreatequalizer @ Mar 17 2009, 06:53 PM) [snapback]428579[/snapback]
one thing to take into account is that wlad has the much better technique and wins in a more impressive fashion than hatton's brawling and sometimes ugly (but entertaining) style.
You'd think everyone would take that into account...but no.