Can the spider spin his web in a forrest?

I think Silva's last 2 fights have been disappointing. Whilst i think it is a case of bad matchmaking, with both cote and leites fighting cautiously against a dangerous counter puncher and therefore turning into a snooze fest, i also feel some of the blame must be laid at silvas feet. Sure he prefers guys to come at him, thats when he is at his most dangerous, but when he has a gut like leites who is an inferior striker who was unable to do anything to the spider when he had him on the ground... well silva should have attacked. He could have stopped leites if he had committed to an attack, instead he wasted 5 rounds trying to lure leites into attacking.

Would GSP have had that problem? No, he would have pressured leites on the ground and on the feet. GSP would have imposed his will, and that is the difference between him and silva. Silvas skill are silky smooth, but he cant make an opponent pay for lack of aggression.

This of course wont be a problem vs Griffin who isnt afraid of anyone. Griffin will prove a problem with his leg kicks and lanky striking frame. I doubt this will go to the ground either. I would love to see Silva fight Rashad. But a match with Machida, should he win, would be a huge mistake, with both guys being counter strike specialists

I see Dana White is alluding that he is close to signing a big name at middleweight, a legit challenge for Silva? I am hoping he is signing Cung Le, that would be a nice match up. Cung Le is a maestro at striking

I think people have been too hard on Silva. His last two opponents respected him too much to fully engage him. Leites was an absolute disgust and he should be ashamed of himself. As far as Griffin goes, I hope he presses but I'm sure he won't fight Silva like he did his past opponents. If he does then he gets picked apart in the first round. Cung Le is good but again, he'll get schooled in the UFC. I want to see Silva against GSP because I think that is the best match up for both.

Anderson by TKO in the 1st or 2nd round. Anderson is WAY more talented than Forrest.

GSP would get destroyed against Anderson Silva, IMO. I like GSP but if he can't take Anderson down he is done.

They are talking about Silva fighting GSP at a catchweight. And whilst Silva is bigger, the size difference isnt that much IMO. GSP is explosive, and has been able to take down supposedly superior wrestlers with ease, i think he can get Silva to the mat. And he is predominantly a striker himself, one that has improved his ground game immensely in order to compete in MMA. Silva is the better striker, with some jiu jitsu in his toolbag, but he much prefers to strike. Whilst i think Silva would win, it would be competitive if GSP can secure a few takedowns

Anderson is way more talented than forrest. Agree with you there. But the guy has heart, and is naturally bigger. Could turn out like silva vs the sandman, a blowout in the first round, but i think this will go to the 3rd round with forrest bloodied and battered but still firing back. Either way its a much more challenging foray into the light heavies than was the sandman

As for silva saying he wants to fight fedor... the guy has a death wish, but huge balls

silva should destroy forrest.. forrest is tough but no where near the league of silva...

silva vs. gsp is a great fight i.m.o... if silva was naturally bigger i'd give him a shot vs. fedor...

Silva/Griffin should be a competitive fight. I think Griffin will eventually fall. Silva's footwork is better, his overall striking game is better in terms of clinch, punching accuracy. I would also say Anderson's BJJ is better as well as having a better chin. Griffin has never been known to KO people nor submit them. He's just an all out entertaining fighter who leaves it out there. He's a big name for Silva to market himself better to the American audience. Silva by TKO in the 2nd.

As for GSP/Silva...I think GSP is to small. Is he a great MMA wrestler? Of course! But Anderson is to well rounded, better overall striker with a huge reach and weight advantage. There ground game is pretty much equal on the ground as they are both BJJ black belts. GSP has the advantage in the wrestling department but it isn't as big as people think it is due to Silva being the naturally bigger guy. Silva by TKO in the 2nd.

As for the UFC trying to sign Cung Le, I think that is a great pick up. An exciting 3 dimensional striker who uses a wide variety of moves that not many MMA fighters do. His ground is lacking but he is a really good wrestler and has a great base. Would he beat Silva? I doubt it, but you never know these days cause anything can happen with those small gloves.

I dont hold much hope for Griffin in this venture.

1.If he is tentative (which admittedly doesnt happen very often.) He will lose a boring decision that will be showered with BOOOS by all the MGD swilling WWE born and raised meatheads that curiously are able to purchase 500 dollar tickets to these events.

2. If Griffin presses the action....well, most likely he will be added to the likes of Leben, Fryklund(watch this one on Youtube if you haven't seen it!), Marquardt, Irvin, Franklin x 2 et al.

Griffin's biggest asset in this fight is his heart. If he can get inside and use some dirty boxing(without getting caught in the world's most dangerous MT clinch) and use some kicks to the instep as a jab, he may be able to wear Anderson down and make hay in the 3rd round.

One place Silva has shown to be vulnerable is in the Sub dept. See Takase, Chonan, and Lutter should have sub's him but used the sloppiest armbar i have ever seen.

Dude that was the old Silva also i've heard a lot of rumors about some Pride fights being fixed for the japanese fighter to win but anyway that Silva is nothing like the Silva of today just like Pacqiuao is nothging like the fighter he was back in the mid to late 90's.

Silva is p4p the bets i nthe world and might just be the GOAT in MMA.

No way. His comp record doesn't come close to Fedor's. His comp record ain't even better than Shogun Rua's at this point. I'd hold off on proclaiming him the GOAT just yet.

Yes way the guy is one of the only few athletes in MMA who actually fight like a professional athlete. He's cleaned out the MW division and has destryoed two big ass LHW one who beat Rampage Jackson and was the LHW champ just two fight ago.

I've been following this sport since the mid 90's and Silva is the best i have ever seen. And as for his ground game it has improved big time he got his belt from the Noguera brothers and toyed with Lutter who was suppossed to be one of the best on the groundand many picked him to sub Silva yet after he gets subed he ain't all that anymore.

Like i said I believe Silva to this point is the best MMA fighter going. Fedor is no doubt a good fighter but everyone knows the HW division is sorry right now and he has fought some shitty comp as of late. Another thing i don't like about Fedor is the muthaf*cker looks like sh*t when he fights what i mean by that is he strikes like a f*cking bar fighter he's sloppy and all over the place. I feel that if the HW division was a little stronger Fedor wouldn't have the record he has i consider his best win over Noguera who is a very skilled fighter and Crop Cop back when he was a force.

Lets see Silva has beaten....

Sakurai
Newton
Murray
Horn
Franklin 2X
Lutter
Marquadt
Henderson
Irvin
Griffin
Cote

One of his losses was the first fight of his career the other two like i said were suspect and the fourth one was a DQ loss in a fight he was winning easly against Okami.

Silva would whoop both Rampage and Shogun i would put money on that sh*t and if Machida didn't have the belt he would be the LHW champ.

You, sir, are on drugs. Fedor's comp record as of late? He's beaten 2 former UFC heavyweight champions in his last 2 fights. And he's beaten them badly in the opening minutes. And now he's taking on Brett Rogers, one of the fastest rising heavyweights on the planet, and one of the few guys I mentioned a couple weeks earlier of having the potential to beat Brock Lesnar. So no, forgive me if I do not concur with your assesment.

Fedor's comp record (fought and beaten the following fighters)

Ricardo Arona

Semmy Schilt - The only fighter in history to win K-1 World Grand Prix three times in a row

Heath Herring - A top-5 ranked heavyweight when he fought Fedor

Antonio Rodridgo "Minotauro" Nogueira (2x) - Former Pride and UFC heavyweight champion, universally recognized as the second best heavyweight in history. (After only Fedor himself, of course.)

Kazuyuki Fajita

Gary Goodridge

Mark Coleman (2x) - Former UFC heavyweight champion, and Pride 2000 Open-Weight Grand Prix winner.

Kevin Randleman - Former UFC heavyweight champion

Mirko Cro-Cop - Pride 2006 Open-Weight Grand Prix winner.

Mark Hunt - Winner of the K-1 World Grand Prix 2001, first man to (disputedly) defeat Wanderlei Silva in the ring of Pride.

Matt Lindland

Tim Sylvia - 2-time UFC heavyweight champion.

Andrei Arlovski - Former UFC heavyweight Champion

Respond to this with facts and Anderson Silva's comp record won't stack up. I promise. Especially when you start factoring in his losses to C fighters.



I actually don't know what you are talking about here. Fedor spent most of his time standing up against Cro-Cop, and he was getting the better of him in their exchanges. He also KO'd Arlovski standing, so I don't know, man. These are 2 of the elite strikers in the sport. Cro-Cop is a K-1 level striker, and Arlovski at least thinks his shit is good enough to parley over into boxing. So you tell me, do those two guys suck shit in the striking department? 'Cause they both got their shit pushed in by Fedor.



Fedor has beaten every great heayweight there is to beat. Whose left? Brock Lesnar? That fight will happen. Couture? You guys would shit all over Fedor after he finished wiping his ass with Randy, claiming Randy was too old and shit, yet knowing Randy has been old for nearly 20 years now.



Thanks. Now compare that to the list I provided above. Oh wait, there is no comparison...

Newton < Coleman
Murray < Goodridge
Horn < Lindland
Franklin < Cro-Cop
Lutter < Herring
Marquadt < Arona
Henderson < Nogueira
Irvin < Hunt
Griffin < Arlovski
Cote < Sylvia



Hold on, my friend, you can't squirt that shit by me.

1.) Silva's loss to Daiju Takase was NOT suspect. Silva got dominated from start to finish (a finish which saw him get triangled.)



2.) Silva's loss to Ryo Chonan was not "suspect" either. He gassed out and, as usual, couldn't deal with the unorthodox approach that many Japanese fighters of that time were using, and thereby got himself caught in one of the most amazing, and hilarious, submissions of all-time... the flying scissor heel hook!




He'd beat Rampage, I agree, because Rampage can't work the clinch.

I actually would pick Shogun to beat Anderson, so you and I can make that bet when the time comes.

C'mon man china chin Arloski got beat easier and quicker against Rogers and Sylvia just got KTFO against an ancient boxer again faster and more brutal than what Fedor did to him. That to me ain't that damn impressive i don't give a f*ck what belt they held.

Goodridge was never nothing special Murray was a far better fighter IMO who cut his career short by his mistakes.

Coleman was done when he fought him.

Linland was/is a smaller fighter who fights at MW you know that.

Herring is a journeymen nuff said.

Arona again another naturaly smaller fighter who fights at LHW.

I already said what i had to say about Arloski and Sylvia that leaves like i said Noguera and Cro Cop as his best wins and i give him that but Anderson has been taking elite fighters out like nothing.

Anderson is a precision puncher with one punch KO power he makes top notch fighter look like sh*t.

Thats why i was hopeing Shogun would beat Machida so Silva can fight for it and add that LHW belt to his collection and further establish himself as the best.

And which "elite" fighters are you referring to? Leben? Cote? Griffin? Laughable.

The only fighter on Silva's list that one might even THINK of labeling "elite" is Dan Henderson. At that, Henderson is pushing 40 and past his prime, but still beat Anderson up good in the 1st round of their fight before he gassed out in the 2nd.

Silva's win over Dan Henderson does not equal Fedor's wins over Nogueira, who was PRIME when Fedor fought him. Nor does it equal Fedor's win over Cro-Cop, who was, again, PRIME when Fedor fought him.

I think it's cool you guys like Silva and shit, but dude, he couldn't carry Fedor's jockstrap. All this crap about him being the GOAT is premature horse shit. And no matter how you slice it or dice it, you can never remove that stain of losing to C fighters from Silva's record.

Fedor is the best fighter on the planet today, and his comp record proves it.

No but elite figthers in Hendo, Franklin, Marquadt. He dominated all of them.

Hendo was not dominating him he was holding him for dear life for the first five minutes then got choked out in the 2nd.

As for Silva not holding Fedors jockstrap gimme a f*Cking break if fedor had the balls to come over to the UFC instead of fighting in some shitty as org against an unproven fighter he would get his ass whooped.

So f*cking what Silva lost to C fighters earlier on in his caeer so did Manny Pacqiuao, Alexis Arguello and Ray Robinson. That means sh*t what matters is what there doing now and Silva is f*cking dominating the competiton and proven that he is the best p4p fighter in the world and this is not just my opinion but most experts opinion aswell.

Also im no tuffy and personly i can't stand those f*ckers that post at sherdog but many people picked Griffin to give Silva hell. He is a bigger fighter and had juts taken out Shogun beat Rampage and had a tough fight with Rashad and even those who picked Silva to win they never would have thought that he was gonna do it in such quick and brutal fashion. Yet Anderson made him look like garbage and completly annihilated Griffin.

You lost me there, bro. When you referred to Franklin and Marquadt as "elite" you lost me.

I mean, it's my fault you know, I don't blame you. I just made an incorrect assumption.

So umm... yeah. I'm done here. See you around, Bazooka.

A spotless record is not a prerequisite for GOAT status, hence floyd, calzaghe, ottke not occupying that slot in boxing. I believe it should be based on accomplishments, and the beast you evolve into, not what you started out as. If he hadnt evolved, and was still relatively the same fighter he once was then those losses can be factored in heavily, but as it stands i think they can be excused considering what he has become

I actually think Marquadt has become an elite fighter, at least in terms of skill and ability, but not accomplishment... not yet anyway. I think he has the best chance of beating silva at MW. Sure he lost the first fight embarrassingly, i think he was overawed. Should he get a rematch, i would think it will be very competitive. He is very well rounded, and not deficient in any area. If it wasnt for henderson, i think he would be a clear number 2 at middle. I seem to recall reading somewhere they are likely to fight for a shot at silva, so the winner of that cements their position in the division

I think its a toss between fedor and anderson at the moment. Fedor needs to fight more often, and some stiffer comp. But overall his past record is great

I would agree to a certain extent. However, I'm just not ready to dismiss two embarrassing submission losses to C fighters, especially when those 2 losses have gone unavenged.

I would like to see Silva against another elite fighter (who is in his prime) before I feel comfortable ranking him as the top P4P fighter in the world today. As I said before, Dan Henderson is the only fighter Silva has faced in the UFC who comes even remotely close to being an elite fighter.

Let him face Shogun Rua, Rampage Jackson, Lyoto Machida (won't happen, but just for instance) Antonio Rogerio Nogeira, or someone of that nature and let's see how he performs.



Unfortunately, fighters cannot be judged to be great just because they have the skills or ability to be great. Otherwise Zab Judah would be recognized as a top P4P fighter and Mike Tyson would be the undisputed #1 heavyweight fighter of all-time.



Greater than Silva's, that's for sure. Much greater.

Incidentally, what does everyone think of Barnetts chances vs Lesnar, (if he hadnt fucked up and tested positive for steroids). Solid wrestling, far better striking, better at pretty much everything except brute strength and wrestling. I think he makes a mess of lesnar

Ok Warlord you say you wanne see Silva fight more elite fighters yet he destroyed Griffin in one rd who chocked out Shogun and beat Rampage. I know that styles make fight and all but c'mon man you don't wanna give Anderson credit for beating Griffin who many believed was gonna give him a tough fight because of what he did to Shogun and Rampage.

Now i must say im a big chutbox fan Wanderlie is one of my all time favs. I heard the stories about Shogun not being prepared well but Griffin was considered one of the top LHW's at the time with his wins over Shogun and Rampage.

And as for Marquadt not being elite c'mon bro you bring up Goodridge, Herring, an ancient Coleman and Linland as top figher that Fedor beat yet you don't wanna recognize Marquadt and Franklin as elite fighter.

Marquadt is seven times king of pancrase and hold wins over Damian Maia, Gouviea, Kampmann, Horn and several other top fighters.

Franklin was the UFC champ when Silva demolished him and was considered one of the best MW's in the world his only loss prior to Silva was against Machida earlier in his career and he lost a very close split decision to Hendo just a few fights ago.

And so what if Silva hasn't avenged those losses where are those fighters now? Do you honstly believe those guys are better than Silva now?

Alexis Arguello didn't avenge his early career losses neither did Manny, Marquez or Duran does that take way from what they accomplished later in ther careers?

I'm sure the old thread about who could beat Lesnar is around here somewhere, but I said it then and I will say it again, Barnett is definitely a fighter capable of beating Lesnar. Or... he was. Don't know how likely it is he will be fighting in the U.S. again.

I really just don't see a long reign for Lesnar. He's too one-dimensional to be a dominant champion, imo. When he meets an elite striker things will get interesting. (My definition of elite, lol. )

Lesnar is a big sissy I dont respect a fight who never likes to take the fight standing up..thats how real warriors fight...

If a real warrior gets the shit punched out of him on the ground, is he still a real warrior or just a bitch that got owned?

Just my personal opinion/preference...I always found the way Lesnar wins fights really lame. And the fact that he has the size advantage all the time makes it worst. This is why I like Rampage, Shogun, Wanderlei Silva, Machida, Anderson Silva, BJ Penn fight.