QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ May 31 2009, 04:39 PM)
lightout i'm just calling it like i'm seeing it... i look at it like this take a fighter like hopkins that really didnt get the admiration he deserved till late in his career, and he deserved p4p rankings years before he fought trinidad... he was around 38 or so... it just happens like that... but hopkins made the fights he needed and even took short money sometimes late in his career when he should have been retired from the sport and now is damn near a house hold name.. people know bernard hopkins cuzz he made fights, and i will say again late in his career after 40 so to say shane is 38 in todays boxing is really not saying too much... to be the man you got to put in the work... and fact is mosely is a great fighter no doubt bout it but the public dont know the guy... he's not a ticket seller.. but his mindset is of that of a full fledge superstar... he's talking like a dela hoya and he's not that... pac and mayweather or not even dela hoyas as far as ticket sales are concerned.... my point is is if you are going to be a fighter fight.... if not get out the game... he (mosely) had a chance to pick up somemore bargain power last night and opted out... i'm not hating mosely i am hating the way he is going about triing to make the big fights... you cant just say i want top gun number 1 or number 2 and not have bargaining power... boxing is a buisness and the fights that make the most money usually wind up getting made... after mayweather scrapes off the rust with marquez i am almost willing to bet he fights pac unless cotto gets by clottey and he will have his hands full all night long in that one... even if cotto beats clottey the public wants that fight (pac and mayweather) and it seems the pac camp is wanting it too... like i said mosely will be lucky to have a fight by the end of the year with the mentality he has lately... what will he do fight cotto and get beat again or if he loses clottey a guy that lost his last fight?...
Atleast you are stating your reasons, and by judging by your posts(content, not count), I know you are very knowledgeable. And it is your right to feel that way, but I do not agree with it all.
You can not compare Hopkins to Shane, cause then you need to compare every other champion to Hopkins. All I am saying is I could name quite a few other champions who did not have the level of competition that Shane fought. You just seem to be focusing everything on Shane.
Shane took on the undefeated and avoided Forrest at welterweight twice.
Shane took on Winky twice at 154, while Winky was unbeaten for over 4 years, in fact his loss in 99 to Vargas was very questionable.
Shane's last 4 fights were against Collazo,Cotto,Mayorga, and Margarito. Those are pretty impressive to me, Mayorga was the least impressive though he still can punch and is very awkward.
As far as stating Mosley is not known. All I can say is I was at Mosley-Diaz at MSG, and it was pretty packed from what I remember. And nobody came to see Diaz,lol. I was at Mosley-Forrest I at MSG, and that place was packed too, and again who the heck knew Forrest at the time besides hard core fans? His fight with Cotto, was packed as well, but I know Cotto is huge with the PR fans. Look what Mosley-Margarito did!!! Alot more people know Mosley than you think. Shit... Hopkins had a sparse crowd in his own damn backyard against Haakar,lol.
Shane has paid his dues IMO, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, I can name many other fighters who made way worse decisions for the fans by making great fights.