QUOTE (snoopnick @ Jun 28 2009, 09:09 PM)
Well I think this is very much on topic, unless you're talking about how pissed Mosley was after the fight, which none of your previous post addressed. I also think your analogy with your job is unfair. Would you stop directing a show or leave the control room if continuing meant potentially costing your life or causing permanent damage? Don't get me wrong, the demands of boxing/MMA are worlds apart from the demands of TV production, but I don't think sacrificing your life is a requirement of either.
Now in this case of Ortiz, I think your viewpoints are valid. He was still very much in the fight and hadn't taken that much damaged up until the point he quit. He could have very well won had he pushed through. I just don't think it should suddenly be generalized to a "I don't understand that mentality of never quitting in any case of MMA/Boxing" because one guy folded under pressure.
No, the obvious risk of personal injury is not one that I take to get a paycheck, but that was my choice. Choosing to fight as a profession is done with the expressed knowledge that you WILL get hurt. They knew that shit on day one when they walked into the gym. It is no secret that boxing is a tough and potentially deadly sport. But the fighters are paid accordingly to take that risk...it is part of their job description.
Thank everyone involved for reducing that risk, but it is still very present.
QUOTE (thehype @ Jun 28 2009, 10:59 PM)
That's a dumb ass statement obviously made by someone who's never been put in a submission hold.
They don't tap out because they have a "live to fight another day" mentality...they tap out because they don't want their fucking arm or leg snapped into two pieces. Most MMA fighters have more heart and balls than a lot of the boxers I know. They go out of their way to perform for the fans and are willing to gladly go out on their shields...which is more than can be said for the likes of Klitschko or any other boxer you see in the ring fighting with a "safety first" mentality. What Ortiz did and said should NEVER be compared to a mixed martial artist tapping out. Stitch Duran, who's worked with and along side more boxers and mixed martial artists than anyone in the world, will be the first to tell you that mixed martial artists in general are bigger warriors than boxers.
Overcoming adversity is one thing, but allowing a guy to break your fucking arm is idiotic and if you've competed in combat sports as you say, you should understand that.
Never been put in a submission hold...lol
I grew up trying to emulate Ric Flair doing figure four leg locks and Bret Hart's Boston Crab...haha...come on dude. That is the same angle that snooppick tried to take. For some reason I'm forced to provide my own personal experience, otherwise my points are invalid? BS
The point is that Ortiz had the same look on his face, and the same attitude that MMA fighters have after a tap..."Big deal I lost. I'll come back. He caught me with a rear naked choke. Life will go on." Shiiiiit. Losing is not supposed to be a ho-hum experience. Losing is supposed to suck! Yet, a lot of these guys will lose a fight, and then go out partying like nothing happened. At some point, losing became acceptable...so much so, that they'll quit halfway through a fight. I can't respect that, and I certainly don't want for pay for that.
Whether you're a fighter, a writer, a director, or a web designer...quiting when the shit gets tough is a loser's mentality.