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BigG
I want to create a Brock Lesnar hatewagon...whos in
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (biggeorge89 @ Jul 12 2009, 06:48 AM) *
I want to create a Brock Lesnar hatewagon...whos in


I'm in. I can't stand big dudes that win fights based completely on their size. The same way I don't give the Klitschko's crazy props for beating guys a half foot shorter and outweighing them I don't give Lesnar props for coming in to fights at 280-285 and beating guys by outweighing them 40-50 pounds.
Box in Hand
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Jul 12 2009, 07:57 AM) *
I'm in. I can't stand big dudes that win fights based completely on their size. The same way I don't give the Klitschko's crazy props for beating guys a half foot shorter and outweighing them I don't give Lesnar props for coming in to fights at 280-285 and beating guys by outweighing them 40-50 pounds.



I'm in there like swim wear. Add me.
pcraw
I'm in! Look, a guy can't help his size advantage over his opponent. He made the 265 pound weight limit and that's fine. He definitely can't prevent the natural size that was given to him; God's gift. But for the love of God, stop bringing this WWE mentality into every interview and this disrespect into the sport. Brock Lesnar just made at least 100 people probably never watch MMA again. It was like watching some post Wrestlemania interview. I mean really, the comission has to restrain you from going back after Frank? And then he tells them, "Give me my space or I will!" You will what jump on one of them? That's stupid.

Listen, if Rashad Evans had flipped off some booing fans, shitted on one of the UFC'S biggest sponsors (Dana White felt the need to have a press conference for this huge announcement which was Bud Light sponsoring the UFC), go afetr his opponent who was trying to seek medical attention I guarantee Dana White wouldn't have come into the Octagon smiling from ear to ear.

Don't even get me started on White, as poor Jon Fitch just keeps getting the old screw job and he's one of the UFC'S toughest blue collar fighters.
Box in Hand
QUOTE (pcraw @ Jul 12 2009, 11:00 AM) *
I'm in! Look, a guy can't help his size advantage over his opponent. He made the 265 pound weight limit and that's fine. He definitely can't prevent the natural size that was given to him; God's gift. But for the love of God, stop bringing this WWE mentality into every interview and this disrespect into the sport. Brock Lesnar just made at least 100 people probably never watch MMA again. It was like watching some post Wrestlemania interview. I mean really, the comission has to restrain you from going back after Frank? And then he tells them, "Give me my space or I will!" You will what jump on one of them? That's stupid.

Listen, if Rashad Evans had flipped off some booing fans, shitted on one of the UFC'S biggest sponsors (Dana White felt the need to have a press conference for this huge announcement which was Bud Light sponsoring the UFC), go afetr his opponent who was trying to seek medical attention I guarantee Dana White wouldn't have come into the Octagon smiling from ear to ear.

Don't even get me started on White, as poor Jon Fitch just keeps getting the old screw job and he's one of the UFC'S toughest blue collar fighters.



I'm with you on this. Jon Fitch gets dogged because he refuses to follow suit. It's ok, as long as he keeps winning White has to respect that.
The CEO
Don't fuck with Brock Lesnar, y'all....he'll bend this wagon over and make it his bitch.

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but seriously....he gets off on being hated...it fuels him.
Romulus9
I refuse to say a bad word about Lesnar. I picked Mir, but as soon as the lights went dark, Enter Sandman started playing, and Lesnar came out looking as serious, and focused, and ready as he did, I knew I made the wrong pick. Love him, hate him, whatever. Respect him, and never forget that if he would have decided halfway into the second round that instead of beating Frank Mir, he wanted to KILL Frank Mir, I'm not sure there's much of anything that could have been done about it.

Lesnar is an animal, and I'm not seeing a serious challenge for him soon. If Lashley can develop in the next 12-18 months, it's going to setup a superfight unlike any other.
pcraw
QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jul 12 2009, 12:23 PM) *
I refuse to say a bad word about Lesnar. I picked Mir, but as soon as the lights went dark, Enter Sandman started playing, and Lesnar came out looking as serious, and focused, and ready as he did, I knew I made the wrong pick. Love him, hate him, whatever. Respect him, and never forget that if he would have decided halfway into the second round that instead of beating Frank Mir, he wanted to KILL Frank Mir, I'm not sure there's much of anything that could have been done about it.

Lesnar is an animal, and I'm not seeing a serious challenge for him soon. If Lashley can develop in the next 12-18 months, it's going to setup a superfight unlike any other.



I don't think anyone is questioning his skill, determination or the fact that it's going to be tough for anyone to beat him, but it's a sad day when you have the biggest win of your career on the biggest stage of the sport and we're talking about his post fight antics instead of his dominating win. This is not wrestling, we don't have to have a good guy and a bad guy! MMA is still a sport that's trying to grow acceptance and I don't think his actions got the UFC or MMA any closer to being sanctioned in New York. It's kind of like the De La Hoya/Mayweather fight was supposed to bring all of the old boxing fans back because all eyes was on that fight and it was kind of anti climatic. Same here! All eyes was on UFC 100 and it was a great card until his post fight tirade. I mean Joe Rogan even went as far as saying every sport needs a heel (which is a wrestling term for villain) I mean really! We're using professional wrestling terms in mixed martial arts now? This is the same guy that says after 2 fighters embrace or even Huerta and Garcia kind of doing a little prayer together after their war, "This is what separates mixed martial arts from other sports, the respect and sportsmanship!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Rashad's swagger, Dan Hardy's brash personality and Forrest Griffin's don't give a f%^$ attitude, but it's all within the playing field. I even enjoyed the little back and fourth shit Mir and Lesnar had going on before the fight, but much like BJ Penn and Sean Sherk when it's over it's over!
Romulus9
QUOTE (pcraw @ Jul 12 2009, 02:24 PM) *
I don't think anyone is questioning his skill, determination or the fact that it's going to be tough for anyone to beat him, but it's a sad day when you have the biggest win of your career on the biggest stage of the sport and we're talking about his post fight antics instead of his dominating win. This is not wrestling, we don't have to have a good guy and a bad guy! MMA is still a sport that's trying to grow acceptance and I don't think his actions got the UFC or MMA any closer to being sanctioned in New York. It's kind of like the De La Hoya/Mayweather fight was supposed to bring all of the old boxing fans back because all eyes was on that fight and it was kind of anti climatic. Same here! All eyes was on UFC 100 and it was a great card until his post fight tirade. I mean Joe Rogan even went as far as saying every sport needs a heel (which is a wrestling term for villain) I mean really! We're using professional wrestling terms in mixed martial arts now? This is the same guy that says after 2 fighters embrace or even Huerta and Garcia kind of doing a little prayer together after their war, "This is what separates mixed martial arts from other sports, the respect and sportsmanship!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Rashad's swagger, Dan Hardy's brash personality and Forrest Griffin's don't give a f%^$ attitude, but it's all within the playing field. I even enjoyed the little back and fourth shit Mir and Lesnar had going on before the fight, but much like BJ Penn and Sean Sherk when it's over it's over!



I agree with every word of that. Absolutely.

He was way over the line after the fight.
Romulus9
http://insidefights.com/2009/07/12/lesnar-apology-video/


I'll give him credit for his statement at the PC after the fight. He owned up and explained.

Just PLEASE don't make it a habit, Brock.
thehype
QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jul 12 2009, 02:32 PM) *
http://insidefights.com/2009/07/12/lesnar-apology-video/


I'll give him credit for his statement at the PC after the fight. He owned up and explained.

Just PLEASE don't make it a habit, Brock.


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I don't know if you can give him too much credit for doing something that he was told to do...Dana told his ass that he better go back out there, apologize, and he damn sure better do it with a smile and a Bud Light in his hands.

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Romulus9
Oh it was definitely ordered, if not scripted, but at least it happened.

Whatever happened to winning with class? There are guys who can do it. GSP sure did. Anderson Silva does. Just act like you've been there before and plan on doing it again. WWE mentality is right. Just don't act like a prick. Of course, I'm not telling him that it was inappropriate. I'm too young to die.

Personally, more than anything else surrounding the event, I enjoyed the fact that Dana did not allow a single Tito Ortiz win to even be eligible to be voted on for the Ultimate 100. Love Dana or hate him, that was absolutely wonderful, especially because I can't stand Tito Ortiz. Of course, the joke's on Tito. Half the men in the world would have killed to get with Jenna Jameson circa 1998, but he gets to rail the version that had another 5 years of porn, too much plastic surgery, and looks like someone drew a face on a plastic bag and stretched it over their knee.
JD
I find myself rooting for Lesnar because he is such a man-beast.

No hate wagon here, the dude is a specimen...and after all of 5 fights, he is handling dudes. I guess this all sets up UFC throwing a ton of loot at Fedor after his next fight in an effort to set up the biggest fight that can be made.
Box in Hand
QUOTE (JD @ Jul 12 2009, 05:58 PM) *
I find myself rooting for Lesnar because he is such a man-beast.

No hate wagon here, the dude is a specimen...and after all of 5 fights, he is handling dudes. I guess this all sets up UFC throwing a ton of loot at Fedor after his next fight in an effort to set up the biggest fight that can be made.



Man Law # 290. Never call another man "man-beast".
thehype
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Jul 12 2009, 07:45 PM) *
Man Law # 290. Never call another man "man-beast".


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JLUVBABY
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Jul 12 2009, 06:45 PM) *
Man Law # 290. Never call another man "man-beast".


lol.. this is true..
pcraw
QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jul 12 2009, 03:26 PM) *
Oh it was definitely ordered, if not scripted, but at least it happened.

Whatever happened to winning with class? There are guys who can do it. GSP sure did. Anderson Silva does. Just act like you've been there before and plan on doing it again. WWE mentality is right. Just don't act like a prick. Of course, I'm not telling him that it was inappropriate. I'm too young to die.

Personally, more than anything else surrounding the event, I enjoyed the fact that Dana did not allow a single Tito Ortiz win to even be eligible to be voted on for the Ultimate 100. Love Dana or hate him, that was absolutely wonderful, especially because I can't stand Tito Ortiz. Of course, the joke's on Tito. Half the men in the world would have killed to get with Jenna Jameson circa 1998, but he gets to rail the version that had another 5 years of porn, too much plastic surgery, and looks like someone drew a face on a plastic bag and stretched it over their knee.


I'm surprised my boy Hype didn't get at you for the Tito comments! LOL
STEVENSKI
Lesnar is the man pure & simple he is the UFC champion & avenged his only loss in brutal fashion. Fuck Bud Light, Fuck UFC & Fuck Frank Mir.

He can say what the fuck he likes because unlike people like Mayweather he is the legit moneymaking machine & Dana knows that & will use that to continue to build the Lesnar brand. Why do you think this guy HEADLINED the biggest UFC PPV ever? Because he sells tickets.

Look how many of you want to see him get hurt already & he has had 5 fights! This man has the personality & promo ability to actually sell a PPV & believe me he is big news.
pcraw
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 12 2009, 08:47 PM) *
Lesnar is the man pure & simple he is the UFC champion & avenged his only loss in brutal fashion. Fuck Bud Light, Fuck UFC & Fuck Frank Mir.

He can say what the fuck he likes because unlike people like Mayweather he is the legit moneymaking machine & Dana knows that & will use that to continue to build the Lesnar brand. Why do you think this guy HEADLINED the biggest UFC PPV ever? Because he sells tickets.

Look how many of you want to see him get hurt already & he has had 5 fights! This man has the personality & promo ability to actually sell a PPV & believe me he is big news.


It's funny how people are defending his action, but he has publicly apologized and said he acted like a child and a WWE star instead of a UFC Champion. Trust me, that Bud Light sponsorship means more to Dana White than Brock Lesnar does! Dog, I wanted to see CB Dollaway get smashed and I don't think he could sell a PPV. Bottom line is I will watch wrestling for those kind of tirades!
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (pcraw @ Jul 13 2009, 04:52 AM) *
It's funny how people are defending his action, but he has publicly apologized and said he acted like a child and a WWE star instead of a UFC Champion. Trust me, that Bud Light sponsorship means more to Dana White than Brock Lesnar does! Dog, I wanted to see CB Dollaway get smashed and I don't think he could sell a PPV. Bottom line is I will watch wrestling for those kind of tirades!



Don't get me wrong Perc I don't care about his postfight celebrations as anything that fucks Dana is great to me. He won & did what he liked even if it was foolish & immature. I actually found it funny because I am foolish & immature myself. He has the name & drawing power to get the average joe/wrestling fan to but UFC PPV's especially if he can get one on with Lashley so good for him.

I also don't like CB Dolloway & would like to see his hare lip get mashed some more but I would not PPV it to see it as he is not signifigant enough to warrant that.
Warlord
Add me to the list.
BigG
Lesnar is a big sissy.....let the Lesnar hatewagon begin.
BigG
BigG
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 13 2009, 02:47 AM) *
Lesnar is the man pure & simple he is the UFC champion & avenged his only loss in brutal fashion. Fuck Bud Light, Fuck UFC & Fuck Frank Mir.

He can say what the fuck he likes because unlike people like Mayweather he is the legit moneymaking machine & Dana knows that & will use that to continue to build the Lesnar brand. Why do you think this guy HEADLINED the biggest UFC PPV ever? Because he sells tickets.

Look how many of you want to see him get hurt already & he has had 5 fights! This man has the personality & promo ability to actually sell a PPV & believe me he is big news.


I'm sorry, what is Lesnar the man for? Fedor is the man plain and simple.

Is Lesnar the man for beating a MUCH smaller 46 year old Randy Cotoure who he outweighed by what 60 pounds? No.

Is Lesnar the man for going 1-1 with Frank Mir? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating that korean nobody? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating Heath Herring? No.

Is Lesnar good at LAY and GAY? Yes.

LESNAR will get massacred by a more superior and skilled fighter, Fedor.

BTW, Money Mayweather has earned more in ONE fight than Lesnar will earn his entire UFC career...Mayweather also didn't need to be in the WWE like Lesnar did. laugh.gif
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (biggeorge89 @ Jul 13 2009, 12:12 PM) *
I'm sorry, what is Lesnar the man for? Fedor is the man plain and simple.

Is Lesnar the man for beating a MUCH smaller 46 year old Randy Cotoure who he outweighed by what 60 pounds? No.

Is Lesnar the man for going 1-1 with Frank Mir? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating that korean nobody? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating Heath Herring? No.

Is Lesnar good at LAY and GAY? Yes.

LESNAR will get massacred by a more superior and skilled fighter, Fedor.

BTW, Money Mayweather has earned more in ONE fight than Lesnar will earn his entire UFC career...Mayweather also didn't need to be in the WWE like Lesnar did. laugh.gif


Lesnar is the man within the UFC. Anyone who knows MMA knows Fedor is the man at heavyweight currently.

Lesnar beat the UFC champion at the time in Couture & seeing as it was at heavyweight the weight has nothing to do with that. If that is the case Randy should have stayed at 205 then. Beating Randy made him the man in the UFC.

Yes he is because he unified the split title & became undisputed UFC heavyweight champion.

As for his fight against Kim I don't exactly know what you expect from a fighters pro debut?

He never was going to be the man for beating Herring & everyone knows that.

Lesnar has shown he is pretty good at "lay & pray" by beating two of the UFC's best heavyweights with his lay & pray stylings.

I would expect him to be beaten by Fedor who has a hell of a lot of MMA experience under his belt. If it went more than 1 round it would be a pretty poor reflection on such a noted striker as Fedor.

Lesnar made his name in WWE as at the time that was the one place a wrestler could go & make big money if they are good enough. He has carried over his fan base to the UFC & I expect him to deliver excellent PPV #'s so long as he holds the belt & continued to win. I never said that he earnt more than Mayweather I said he is a moneymaking machine & has demonstrated that ably with his current PPV #'s. Remind me what was Mayweathers best PPV # before he fought the golden child?

UFC 81 600,000 buys

UFC 87 625,000 buys

UFC 91 920,000 buys

UFC100 ? 1,000,000 + buys



BigG
Look, i give Lesnar credit for ONE thing...and that's that he acutually stepped into the UFC and is willing to prove himself..however he's a big sissy...I don't care what anybody says..he's just a sissy to me....and Randy.....46 years old, 60 pounds lighter..lol..come on man..
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (biggeorge89 @ Jul 13 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Look, i give Lesnar credit for ONE thing...and that's that he acutually stepped into the UFC and is willing to prove himself..however he's a big sissy...and Randy.....46 years old, 60 pounds lighter..lol..come on man..



He was the champion at the time. What should have he done said "Sorry Randy you are too old & I am too big to fight you so I better forget about taking the title shot offered to me" C'mon G get real with this. You may hate the guy but he has delivered in PPV #'s & become the champion in a very short space of time. Who else should have he fought in the UFC?

The guy is just doing the best he can & with his somewhat limited skillset he has achieved a great deal in a short amount of time.

In only 4 UFC fights he has had over 3M possibly 3.5M buys! I know UFC has consistantly done great buyrates but for a greenhorn who headlined two of those cards & was the joint main event or top undercard fight in the other 2. What is unfortunate is that he has earnt so little relatively speaking from those fights which would have grossed $150M + US on PPV alone & of that money he would have been lucky to see $3-10M.
Spyder
Fuck this Hatewagon.

Dana White may be trying to create the illusion that the UFC faithful want sportsmanship, but I know better. Lesnar spoke directly to the hardcore UFC fans, and they loved every minute of it. The only thing they like better than NASCAR and the old #3, is watching a good ol' fashioned ass whoopin followed by a shit talkin son-of-a-bitch!

That kind of display has been selling WWE tickets for years.

War on Brock Lesnar...I hope he finds this pathetic little hatwagon, and sticks his size 3X fist up its ass!
thehype
QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jul 12 2009, 04:26 PM) *
Personally, more than anything else surrounding the event, I enjoyed the fact that Dana did not allow a single Tito Ortiz win to even be eligible to be voted on for the Ultimate 100. Love Dana or hate him, that was absolutely wonderful, especially because I can't stand Tito Ortiz. Of course, the joke's on Tito. Half the men in the world would have killed to get with Jenna Jameson circa 1998, but he gets to rail the version that had another 5 years of porn, too much plastic surgery, and looks like someone drew a face on a plastic bag and stretched it over their knee.



Um...yeah...I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with this statement. In my opinion, Dana White just proved how much of a dick he can be by not allowing a single Tito Ortiz win to be eligible. I mean, what the fuck is that all about? Whether you love or hate Tito Ortiz, the motherfucker carried the UFC on his back for many, many, MANY years when the sport was still considered to be underground. 22 fights and all but one were with the UFC...not many fighters can say that. When so many guys were jumping ship to head over to Pride, Tito remained loyal and stayed with Dana and the UFC.

Despite the fact that people like to point to the Griffin-Bonnar match as being the one that pushed the UFC into the forefront, quite frankly, I think it had more to do with Tito Ortiz and his feud with Ken Shamrock as their first fight at UFC 40 is pretty much when the UFC started to see an upswing in PPV buys and viewership. Zuffa took over ownership of the UFC at UFC 30 and quite honestly, their PPV buys were anemic. UFC 34-39 did a total sum of 45,000 buys. Tito Ortiz and his grudge with Ken Shamrock changed all that. It was Ortiz who rocked the t-shirts disrespecting Shamrock's proteges Jerry Bohlander and Guy Mezger after he beat them. It was Ortiz who was the most marketable fighter the UFC had and it was Ortiz who helped create a near-sellout crowd of 13,022 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena for UFC 40. The event did a then-UFC-record gate of $1,540,000 and did 150,000 PPV buys. Up until that point, that was the largest number of PPV buys since Shamrock vs. Gracie at UFC 5 (260,000 buys).

Like I said, you can hate Ortiz if you want, but if it wasn't for his loyalty to the company and his willingness to be controversial with his disrespect to the Lion's Den, there's no way in hell that the UFC would have got a deal with Spike to begin with and more than likely, we wouldn't have been anywhere close to seeing UFC 100. I think Tito Ortiz is owed a lot of respect for what he did, not just for the UFC, but for the sport as well and even now, when all these fighters are so willing to bend at Dana's demands, he still stays firm in his belief that fighters (in particular himself...but still fighters nonetheless) should be getting paid more money.

I think Dana doing that just shows how little he really cares about fighters, particularly those that he doesn't like.
Romulus9
I didn't say it was right, or even smart. I just said I enjoyed it and thought it was funny because Tito pisses me off.

I'm not surprised that Griffin-Bonnar was voted #1, or that it gets so much attention, but what is even more important than the start of the feud at UFC 40 is the FREE broadcast on Spike of the 3rd fight, with all the buildup, even though the fight was dreadful. That move resonated with the fanbase, and provided widespread visibility that has grown to a huge level since (and isn't slowing down). Boxing really needs that too.

Despite the fact that I can't stand him, and enjoy watching Liddell knock him out over and over, he's right about the money and he's right about Dana White in many ways. What Frank Mir got paid last weekend was absolutely insulting. 45K with a 45K bonus for a win, while Lesnar's BASE pay was 400K. I'm not saying Mir should have gotten what St. Pierre did, but Lesnar shouldn't have gotten what GSP got either. The pay is awful. Should they be demanding Money May kind of paydays? No. But the overall finances are ridiculous, especially considering the kind of cash the sport is generating at present.

I remember watching the early, EARLY UFC's, back in the tournament and superfight days, and it's amazing how far things have come since then. Ortiz, and a few others, deserve a great deal of credit for the surge in the last few years. That can't be questioned. He just pisses me off. One thing's for sure... Dana's going to have to knock off these stupid demands if he wants Fedor to show up. Fedor-Lesnar would EASILY be the biggest selling PPV ever. Dana knows it, but Fedor knows it too, and he should absolutely hold out for a fair shake.

I stand by my Jenna Jameson material.
KookedKrack
i like brock for some reason
JLUVBABY
i read earlier that lesnar might be fighting fedor next... if that is the case forget it... brock is ok right now but he has a lot of maturing to do.. he is not ready for that fight.. he has the strength to beat anyone but fedor will bring pure skill something lesnar has yet to even touch....
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Jul 14 2009, 12:08 AM) *
i read earlier that lesnar might be fighting fedor next... if that is the case forget it... brock is ok right now but he has a lot of maturing to do.. he is not ready for that fight.. he has the strength to beat anyone but fedor will bring pure skill something lesnar has yet to even touch....



If Lesnar takes on Fedor then he deserves a lot of credit. It is not like he has been spoon fed nobodies in his UFC career.
King Eugene
I thought the shit was actually funny! Everybody was booing him but couldn't do shit about it! Hell he apologized afterwards which was good enough for me. It was too much emotion behind that fight and he just couldn't control it. Oh well...players fuck up to Craig!
Warlord
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 13 2009, 07:53 AM) *
I would expect him to be beaten by Fedor who has a hell of a lot of MMA experience under his belt. If it went more than 1 round it would be a pretty poor reflection on such a noted striker as Fedor.


Fedor is an accomplised striker, but by no means is he primarily noted for his stand-up. Fedor's ground-and-pound is what makes him legendary. His strikes from the mount are what seperates him from everyone else in MMA history.
Spyder
QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jul 13 2009, 04:14 PM) *
I stand by my Jenna Jameson material.

When Hype started his reply, I thought that he was disagreeing with your Jenna assessment, but he didn't even touch it...

What's up Hype?

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thehype
QUOTE (Spyder @ Jul 14 2009, 08:35 AM) *
When Hype started his reply, I thought that he was disagreeing with your Jenna assessment, but he didn't even touch it...

What's up Hype?

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I could care less about Jenna, but hell, she does make a shit load of money so I can't hate on Tito for getting himself a sugar momma.
Method
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Fuck this Hatewagon.

Dana White may be trying to create the illusion that the UFC faithful want sportsmanship, but I know better. Lesnar spoke directly to the hardcore UFC fans, and they loved every minute of it. The only thing they like better than NASCAR and the old #3, is watching a good ol' fashioned ass whoopin followed by a shit talkin son-of-a-bitch!

That kind of display has been selling WWE tickets for years.

War on Brock Lesnar...I hope he finds this pathetic little hatwagon, and sticks his size 3X fist up its ass!


L O FUCKING L!

Im with this.

War Lesnar.

Truth be told, Im not all that into UFC/MMA, but fuck man, comparing this dude to a Klitchko? I mean, Wladdy sat there for 12 rounds and slapped down what's-his-name's jab. Leaps 10 feet backwards whenever someone aggressively feints him.

not trying to get into an argument w anyone jumping on the wagon, but even if the dude's skills are limited, I am going off of what some are saying here, not what I have seen, then he still fights w a chip on both shoulders. That dude kicks some serious ass, and if this Fedor guy is the one that's gonna beat him, so fucking be it. I am all about sportsmanship, etc, but this is a completely different form of combat, and motherfuckers gotta get themselves psyched up like a mofo to take on that kind of pain. I have no problems with how they conjure that, and I also understand that you cant just turn it on and turn it off. I am sure plenty of you guys have been in fights before. Well, I odont know about you cats, but I am shaking for a fkn hour after throwing, and I sure as hell aint thinkin straight.

i could give a fk about Lesnar, but I am W CEO and Spyder here.
pcraw
I think a lot of you guys are thinking that we're questioning his skills and accomplishments. Not true. Everyone fighter that steps into the boxing ring or Octagon has to be jacked to a certain degree, but the UFC has about 200 other fighters that don't shit on their sponsor, flip on the fans that pay your salary and drool while looking into the camera yelling shit. MMA is still a sport trying to gain acceptance and if you watched Sportscenter that night the first thing they showed was Brock drooling while yelling shit into the camera. Everything that Dana and the UFC brass has worked so hard for, to show people that MMA fighters aren't savage maniacs he exemplified Saturday night.

I've had my fair share of street fights to bro and I've done some wild things during them and after them, but we're not paid to act a certain way after our fights in the streets. It's like playing a pick up game of basketball or football. It's completely different then being in the NBA or NFL.
Spyder
QUOTE (pcraw @ Jul 14 2009, 12:41 PM) *
I think a lot of you guys are thinking that we're questioning his skills and accomplishments. Not true. Everyone fighter that steps into the boxing ring or Octagon has to be jacked to a certain degree, but the UFC has about 200 other fighters that don't shit on their sponsor, flip on the fans that pay your salary and drool while looking into the camera yelling shit. MMA is still a sport trying to gain acceptance and if you watched Sportscenter that night the first thing they showed was Brock drooling while yelling shit into the camera. Everything that Dana and the UFC brass has worked so hard for, to show people that MMA fighters aren't savage maniacs he exemplified Saturday night.


A leopard can't change its spots. The UFC is what it is. It's not the PGA where guys walk around in Polo's and slacks, hushing when their opponent is shooting...these guys beat the shit outta each other wearing nothing but a pair of board shorts.

Dana needs to accept what they are, and stop trying to be something that they are not.

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I've had my fair share of street fights to bro and I've done some wild things during them and after them, but we're not paid to act a certain way after our fights in the streets. It's like playing a pick up game of basketball or football. It's completely different then being in the NBA or NFL.

I don't think you can compare the two Percy...in the NBA or NFL, you don't have an opponent trying to rip your arm out of its socket.

Anyway, Brock's tirade got more exposure than the event itself, and definitely more than it would've otherwise. Dana needs to give that man a raise, and let him do his thing.

Crazy sells, and puts asses in seats...just ask Mike.
The CEO
Yeah...I understand where pcraw's coming from....caring about the image of the sport...but it IS all leading back to Roman times, right?...just look at the UFC's intro....it's gladiators putting on their gear....remember...gladiators fought TO THE DEATH for the people's entertainment.

Dana knows what most of these current UFC fans want...they want beasts and blood with some tits and ass on the side....and in the distant future...they WILL want to see mortal combat again....you know...many people liken MMA to the decline of Civilization.....the degeneration of society and all that....I won't go into it because I don't wanna be a downer...lol

Any way you look at it...Brock Lesnar is a modern day gladiator....all he wants to do is train, fight, eat, drink, shit, and fuck....and I have to say I'm kinda diggin' his behavior....he really was and is "The Next Big Thing"...
Megadeth
Being a martial artist for most of my life, training in Karate, Savate, Kickboxing and BJJ I love the sport of MMA. I am really happy with the way it has evolved from the early 90's. Believe it or not I was one of the very few people who knew of the Gracie's before the UFC. I have had the pleasure of being part of a very small gym that has brought in some of the biggest names to train with, including the gracie's, Machado's etc.

It is very disappointing when you have pea brains like Brock Lesnar act like a total toolbag while being watched by millions of people. I know this type of behavior draws crowds and PPV numbers, just look at mike tyson. I think Brock is the exception, there is nothing I like more than watching the fighters show their respect for each other after the match. It happens in both UFC and Boxing. There can be a huge exchange of words and a whole bunch of BS before a fight, but when it is over, they shake or hug. That is what this sport is all about. Sure some people need to talk some smack to hype themselves up and create motivation, that is fine, but when its over, its over.

As you can tell I am not a Brock fan, I know this guy has wrestling skills, but it is frustrating watching him beat people you know he would lose to if he didnt have that size advantage. Their is no excuse for the way he acted at UFC 100.
The CEO
QUOTE (Megadeth @ Jul 14 2009, 03:54 PM) *
Being a martial artist for most of my life, training in Karate, Savate, Kickboxing and BJJ I love the sport of MMA. I am really happy with the way it has evolved from the early 90's. Believe it or not I was one of the very few people who knew of the Gracie's before the UFC. I have had the pleasure of being part of a very small gym that has brought in some of the biggest names to train with, including the gracie's, Machado's etc.

It is very disappointing when you have pea brains like Brock Lesnar act like a total toolbag while being watched by millions of people. I know this type of behavior draws crowds and PPV numbers, just look at mike tyson. I think Brock is the exception, there is nothing I like more than watching the fighters show their respect for each other after the match. It happens in both UFC and Boxing. There can be a huge exchange of words and a whole bunch of BS before a fight, but when it is over, they shake or hug. That is what this sport is all about. Sure some people need to talk some smack to hype themselves up and create motivation, that is fine, but when its over, its over.

As you can tell I am not a Brock fan, I know this guy has wrestling skills, but it is frustrating watching him beat people you know he would lose to if he didnt have that size advantage. Their is no excuse for the way he acted at UFC 100.


Good post...you should come around more often....

I'm with you on the sportsmanship after the fight....and who knows...maybe Lesnar pulled a Pacquiao and told Mir, "It's only business. Nothing personal." off camera....lol...but this WAS bound to happen sometime, right?...a hardcore brute bursting onto the scene...not giving a fuck...

It IS Fighting after all...there's many different types of people and styles....from the honorable to the berserk.
D-MARV
QUOTE (The C.E.O. @ Jul 14 2009, 04:31 PM) *
Good post...you should come around more often....

I'm with you on the sportsmanship after the fight....and who knows...maybe Lesnar pulled a Pacquiao and told Mir, "It's only business. Nothing personal." off camera....lol...but this WAS bound to happen sometime, right?...a hardcore brute bursting onto the scene...not giving a fuck...

It IS Fighting after all...there's many different types of people and styles....from the honorable to the berserk.

I'm not a fan of UFC, though I do respect the athletes and understand that they train just as hard as any other sport. I did happen to catch the Brock fight this past weekend and I was laughing my ass off at his post fight interview. That sounded like somethinng straight out of the WWE. I was thinking to myself... This shit can't be serious.
pcraw
QUOTE (damarvelous1 @ Jul 14 2009, 04:22 PM) *
I'm not a fan of UFC, though I do respect the athletes and understand that they train just as hard as any other sport. I did happen to catch the Brock fight this past weekend and I was laughing my ass off at his post fight interview. That sounded like somethinng straight out of the WWE. I was thinking to myself... This shit can't be serious.



Thanks dmarv, my point exactly. To the average newbie fan watching MMA for the 1,2 or 3rd time that's the exact thing they said. "This shit can't be for real!" Spyder you must haven't played football at any level bro. They may not be trying to rip your shoulder out of a limb, but they are trying to rip your head off. The only difference is it's for 60 minutes instead of 15. I don't think it's 2 guys just beating the shit out of each other. That was the old UFC. These guys come up with strategies and gameplans now just like a boxer. I've seen fighters go to Thailand for 6 weeks just because they were fighting a guy with a strong Muay Thai background. They are highly skilled guys. Lesnar doesn't even have to be highly skilled with his size, but he can be highly professional.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 13 2009, 08:14 PM) *
If Lesnar takes on Fedor then he deserves a lot of credit. It is not like he has been spoon fed nobodies in his UFC career.


much credit to him if he takes the fight i just dont think he has a chance to win it...
JLUVBABY
i have to say this about brock saturday night.. like what he did or not it got ratings and what ever the thought is brock raisin cain like he did after his victory is what a lot of people want to see... more people will tune in the next time because of those antics... bullshit like that sales.... some will tune in to cheer while others will pay to eventually watch him lose but if i was dana i'd let him act the fool....
JonnyBlaze
Its kinda funny how the only two names I really ever hear when UFC is brought up these days is Brock Lesnar,who was a WWE wrestler and Kimbo Slice,who was a street fighter..Shit,if a boxer came in,I suppose they'd be the next big name..
Romulus9
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Jul 14 2009, 10:10 PM) *
Its kinda funny how the only two names I really ever hear when UFC is brought up these days is Brock Lesnar,who was a WWE wrestler and Kimbo Slice,who was a street fighter..Shit,if a boxer came in,I suppose they'd be the next big name..



LOL.

Who exactly do you talk to about UFC if those are the only two names you hear?
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Jul 15 2009, 02:10 AM) *
Its kinda funny how the only two names I really ever hear when UFC is brought up these days is Brock Lesnar,who was a WWE wrestler and Kimbo Slice,who was a street fighter..Shit,if a boxer came in,I suppose they'd be the next big name..



C'mon Jon!! Which boxer would be a big name?

I would love to see the Klit boys face a guy like Lesnar. The look of terror on their faces as they get taken down would be hilarious.
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