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King Eugene
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After three title fights at cruiserweight he isn't getting much love from HBO or Showtime. Would moving to heavyweight actually be the key?
The Original MrFactor
Adamek should have made the Hopkins fight. He wont beat the middle of the top 10 at HW. He doesnt have the mouth that Haye has to get a shot at he Klits. A fight bewteen him and Haye might be a good thing though.
Byrd Man

FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 PATCH COMING SOON! lol
Byrd Man
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Jul 22 2009, 08:15 PM) *
Adamek should have made the Hopkins fight. He wont beat the middle of the top 10 at HW. He doesnt have the mouth that Haye has to get a shot at he Klits. A fight bewteen him and Haye might be a good thing though.


Hopkins was to blame for that shit. You can't blame Adamek for not taking that.

from an ESPN article awhile back when Hopkins first made that bullshit offer.

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Now it's down the drain. From where I sit, and with no dog in the fight, the blame falls squarely on Golden Boy and Hopkins.

When I spoke to Duva on Wednesday morning, she told me that the deal came down to this: Golden Boy offered a mere $500,000 flat fee (which is ridiculous) to buy Adamek's services, meaning Adamek and Main Events would each be paid out of that fee while Golden Boy and Hopkins would keep the rest of the revenue. Duva said she and Schaefer estimated the fight would net between $4 million and $4.5 million.

Main Events expected to co-promote the bout and to split the money on a percentage basis, which it would negotiate. Duva said she asked for a 60-40 split in Adamek's favor, although she said that she was willing to work with Schaefer on the split.

To me, a percentage split was the only way to make a fight like this, one in which both fighters bring something significant to the table. Maybe they would have been able to make a percentage deal, maybe not. But for Hopkins to insist on paying Main Events $500,000 without recognizing Adamek's obvious value makes it seem he was just taking Adamek and Main Events for suckers. According to Duva, Main Events and Adamek split more than $500,000 for his defense in Newark last month, an eighth-round knockout against the relatively unknown Jonathan Banks. Obviously, a fight with Hopkins would generate way, way more money. Adamek and Main Events certainly should share in it.

Duva said Golden Boy wouldn't even consider a percentage deal, instead wanting to treat her side merely as an expense without regard for Adamek's value to the fight.
While Hopkins brings his famous name and HBO money to the table, Adamek also brings a lot. He brings the title, which Hopkins wants. He brings significant foreign television money. And he brings a substantial gate because of the crowd he attracts to the Prudential Center, a venue solely developed by Main Events. A fight with Hopkins would probably generate a gate in excess of $1 million.

"The only offer they made was to give us $500,000," Duva said. "I didn't even take that seriously. They wanted all the control even though they were going for the champion, the guy who sells all the tickets and the guy who isn't 44. We weren't going to do the fight in a casino. We were talking about going to Newark, a market we built. We're not going to a casino for a site fee. Those tickets don't just sell themselves. My people get out there and work really hard to sell the tickets. We're not just going to turn over our market to Golden Boy and take a seat at the fight."

When I asked Duva if she thought Golden Boy was treating Main Events and Adamek like chumps with their offer, she said, "Either that, or they didn't really want to make the fight."

Duva said she was surprised by Golden Boy's unwillingness to come off the weak flat-fee offer.

"Richard told me that Hopkins said if you want to have a split, we can't do the fight," Duva said. "It's astonishing. Either Richard doesn't want to make the fight or Hopkins is out to lunch on his expectations. Half a million is silly. Tomasz generates that on his own against regular opponents. I told Richard come up with what you think is an equitable split or tell me what Hopkins wants and we'll buy you out."


Duva said she approached the negotiations with an open mind even though she hasn't always been happy with the way Golden Boy does business. She said when her fighter Joel "Love Child" Julio fought Golden Boy's James Kirkland on HBO's "Boxing After Dark" on March 7, the only way she could get the fight made was to give up options on Julio, an almost unheard-of practice in a nontitle fight or a fight in which neither boxer is a substantial economic force.

"That's what it has come to. That's how powerful they are," Duva said. "Everybody has to do that, or they don't get on 'Boxing After Dark' anymore, since Golden Boy has most of the dates. I had to bite the bullet and give them the options or I couldn't get Julio the fight. So I did it. Maybe that's why they thought I was a chump when we were talking about [Adamek-Hopkins]. What I think is that Bernard thought HBO would pay, like, $6 million for the fight, which wasn't going to happen."
STEVENSKI
GBP are just as bad as any promoter. I hope DLH gets knifed in the street.
Byrd Man
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 22 2009, 08:58 PM) *
GBP are just as bad as any promoter. I hope DLH gets knifed in the street.


please shut the fuck up, will you? We GET IT! You wish for people to die, you wish for people to be crippled, YEAH WE GET IT! MOVE THE FUCK ON NOW.

Damn you must be a sad motherfucker in real life to wish so much harm to other people.

Must be great as a computer thug like that.

And I'm just as stupid for even responding to you.
King Eugene
LOL Pure-D-Comedy!
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (Byrd Man @ Jul 23 2009, 04:01 AM) *
please shut the fuck up, will you? We GET IT! You wish for people to die, you wish for people to be crippled, YEAH WE GET IT! MOVE THE FUCK ON NOW.

Damn you must be a sad motherfucker in real life to wish so much harm to other people.

Must be great as a computer thug like that.

And I'm just as stupid for even responding to you.


Here you go Byrdy. Don't use them all at once.



You know you can just put me on ignore if you like seeing as how I will never stop saying what I like & clearly it upsets you a great deal.

My life is just fine & I am quite the happy camper in the real world I just don't like some fighters & promoters & say what I think.
Keith
Until the Klitschko's are no longer fighting, I see no reason for any cruiser to move up to hw. Unless its strictly to collect a payday and be put to sleep...fight guys your own size.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
I love watching Adamek fight. He's exciting, has power, and has some boxing skills. He shouldn't move up to heavyweight, as he still has unfinished business at cruiserweight. A rematch with Steve Cunningham should be in order, but unfortunately it's just not a big fight. Adamek wants a big money fight, and maybe he thinks going up to heavyweight will do it. I just don't know who he thinks he'll face that will just be a big fight. Maybe if David Haye wins a title, a match with him could be fireworks. That could be built up as well, but matches with either of the Klitschko's just doesn't excite me. He's too small for them, and I don't think he stands the chance to beat them.
JonnyBlaze
Adamek needs to stay at cruiser for awhile longer I think..The cruiserweight division needs guys like him to stay around and have fights like he did with Cunningham..The division has so much potential to be big..Adamek has done too much bouncing around in divisons..I really wonder what would be a weight he'd like to be at in the heavyweight division though..
Col Reb
Adamek vs Golota would be big for the Polish community and a good introduction to heavyweight boxing for Tomasz. I'd watch it for sure.
Col Reb
QUOTE (Col Reb @ Jul 24 2009, 09:04 AM) *
Adamek vs Golota would be big for the Polish community and a good introduction to heavyweight boxing for Tomasz. I'd watch it for sure.



I'm excited to hear this fight is actually going to happen. I bet it packs the house, and it should be a good scrap.
BGv2.0
I really don't think this is the best fight to really test yourself at HW.

I mean Golota is a named commodity BUT....he is really, really, really prehistoric at this point. Although he put up good fights with McBride and Minto that was close to 2 years ago and at his age every year past takes a lot out of you.

Plus he has had nearly a year off from the arm injury he sustained int he Austin fight....that's a lot of ring rust on top of old age!

He should have fought Barrett. If he could have gotten him out of there faster than Haye he could then call out Haye. Plus, although well past his prime Monte is still a slight instance better than Golota at this point.


BUT....this will be a HUGE fight in Poland.
Col Reb
I wonder what percent of the crowd will be behind Adamek if it's on Poland? What about if it's in Chicago? I would imagine the majority would be for him, since he's the more current fighter, but you never know.
BGv2.0
QUOTE (Fitz @ Jul 29 2009, 06:16 PM) *
I agree with you a lot Jonny. It's not that I don't want to see Adamek at heavyweight nor think he wouldn't do any good. But for a long time the crusierweight division has been a little uninteresting and just recently we have had some very good fights there. I think with him there making some more good fights, he can help give the division some light.



I think I can say with some real confidence....keep an eye out for a local guy we have coming to the CW division.

His name is Terrance Woods....from Bay City TX....just about 20 minutes from my home.

I went to the guy's last fight and he ended it brutally in 1:57 of rd.1

He is currently 5-0 with 4kos.

He is a state golden glove champ and in astounding shape.

the only chink in the armor IMHO is his age...he is 29....so they need to move him very fast....which they are doing as he has a fight set up for Aug 6th and in early Sept. as well.

He fights from SM-CW....but I think really wants to settle in at CW.

Despite his age...he looks much younger...so I hope that does not become too much of a factor.

He has had a MAJOR problem getting fights.....guys his own age and with near records don't want to fight him...and seasoned guys with decent ring experience want a lot of money to fight him. So getting him meaningful fights has been tough.

He fights the well weathered Anthony Greeley next week.....they are hoping to get rounds out of him...but I don't think that's gonna happen based on what I saw two weeks ago.

HE for sure has potential.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (Fitz @ Jul 30 2009, 12:16 AM) *
I think with him there making some more good fights, he can help give the division some light.


But will that get him PAID? There is no money at cruiser but there is plenty at heavyweight.
Fitz
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Jul 30 2009, 04:09 PM) *
I think I can say with some real confidence....keep an eye out for a local guy we have coming to the CW division.

His name is Terrance Woods....from Bay City TX....just about 20 minutes from my home.

I went to the guy's last fight and he ended it brutally in 1:57 of rd.1

He is currently 5-0 with 4kos.

He is a state golden glove champ and in astounding shape.

the only chink in the armor IMHO is his age...he is 29....so they need to move him very fast....which they are doing as he has a fight set up for Aug 6th and in early Sept. as well.

He fights from SM-CW....but I think really wants to settle in at CW.

Despite his age...he looks much younger...so I hope that does not become too much of a factor.

He has had a MAJOR problem getting fights.....guys his own age and with near records don't want to fight him...and seasoned guys with decent ring experience want a lot of money to fight him. So getting him meaningful fights has been tough.

He fights the well weathered Anthony Greeley next week.....they are hoping to get rounds out of him...but I don't think that's gonna happen based on what I saw two weeks ago.

HE for sure has potential.


I hope so, it's almost as if now that the cruiser weights are the heavy weights. I just don't like the heavy weights one bit right at this moment.


QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 30 2009, 04:18 PM) *
But will that get him PAID? There is no money at cruiser but there is plenty at heavyweight.


Probably not, but from a fans perspective I think it's better at cruiser weight.
JonnyBlaze
We think a like on the cruisers Fitz..It's actually one of my favorite divisions right now but needs to have more exposure..There is a lot of talent that we aren't getting to watch in the division..The contender helped show the cruiserweights potential and how you really do get the best of everything there..Big guys,more punches,risks being taken frequently,big punches with speed,and big knock outs..

Darnell Wilson isn't the best in the divison but I have been watching him since his ballroom boxing days and he has given boxing a lot of big knock outs..He just can't seem to get in good shape these days..Jean Marc Mormeck needs to come back on the scene and have a 3rd fight with Bell..Their first 2 are 2 of the divisions best fights ever..I could only imagine the kind of money that would have been brought to the division had Holyfield stayed there..He wouldn't of made the same amount as he did fight the top heavyweights but he would have brought a division into the limelight..I really hope Haye and Adamek move back down to cruiserweight but I don't see it happening..
BGv2.0
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Jul 30 2009, 03:40 AM) *
We think a like on the cruisers Fitz..It's actually one of my favorite divisions right now but needs to have more exposure..There is a lot of talent that we aren't getting to watch in the division..The contender helped show the cruiserweights potential and how you really do get the best of everything there..Big guys,more punches,risks being taken frequently,big punches with speed,and big knock outs..

Darnell Wilson isn't the best in the divison but I have been watching him since his ballroom boxing days and he has given boxing a lot of big knock outs..He just can't seem to get in good shape these days..Jean Marc Mormeck needs to come back on the scene and have a 3rd fight with Bell..Their first 2 are 2 of the divisions best fights ever..I could only imagine the kind of money that would have been brought to the division had Holyfield stayed there..He wouldn't of made the same amount as he did fight the top heavyweights but he would have brought a division into the limelight..I really hope Haye and Adamek move back down to cruiserweight but I don't see it happening..


CW has always had major potential....the problem is it's simply a weigh station for HW. For so many years it was outshined by the divisions above and below it....nobody ever wanted to settle there.

I've always kept an eye on it for potential HW's as well as spectacular fights. It almost seems that at the CW division you have guys that have just enough pop to really hurt each other like the HW's...BUT....they often don't have that same one punch KO power that the extra weight at HW adds to them....so often you have these BRUTAL back and forths....where both guys are hurt and wailing away on each other...but they don't go down...so it's jus a brutal slufest to the end.

Anybody remember Kenny Keene Vs. Terry Ray?

That was an awesome fight!
Fitz
Yep, cruiser weights seem to be well conditioned heavyweights, while the actual heavyweight division seems to be for lazy fat asses that are living the luxury of not having to make weight. I'm speaking on how it is today.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Fitz @ Jul 30 2009, 06:37 PM) *
Yep, cruiser weights seem to be well conditioned heavyweights, while the actual heavyweight division seems to be for lazy fat asses that are living the luxury of not having to make weight. I'm speaking on how it is today.

That's true except for the Klitchkos..The Klitchko's always come to fight in good shape..
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