QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Jul 31 2009, 11:05 PM)
i think larry holmes could very easily be the greatest heavy of all times... i know most wont agree but he is a very highly under rated heavyweight champ... in his prime i think he matches up with any other all time great... descent puncher, he could take a punch, one of the best if not the best jab in the division history... he had heart and excellent ring generalship... not to mention he had longevity in his career and gave a prime holyfield a few fits in his title bid and argubly beat olivar mccall in their fight for a portion of the title... if you dont rank him number 1 he has to be very highly ranked.. at least thats my opinion...
I was reading this post when it first came up and mentioned it to my dad. I said that Louis beat a ton of guys during World War II, fought twice as many fights as people see in the records from back then because of all of the exhibitions for the military guys, but I honestly don't think he's in the top 4 or 5, much less the best heavyweight ever. Against a technician, he would have had big, big trouble and the first guy I mentioned to my dad was Holmes. Louis came straight forward, his defense wasn't exactly impeccable, and when you consider his size, Holmes would have had a field day. Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, right hand, right hand.... etc. Not the Klitschko "stay off me" jab, a jab that was a weapon! Take the prime Holmes from 1979-82, and you've got a guy who would absolutely hang with anyone EVER, and was just incredibly good in every area. Louis doesn't beat Holmes. In fact, despite the numbers, I don't have Louis in the top 3 or 4 HW champions. Very successful champion, legendary without a doubt, but when you look at matchups and who was the best, he doesn't add up. Guys like Louis and Dempsey and Johnson were good in their time but a true technician would just flat out eat them up. Holmes is at the top of that list for me, and I have him among the top 4 or 5 heavyweight champions of all-time. To each his own, but after watching a ton of Louis fights, and the rest of the greats, I think true technicians would beat Louis and do so in a way that looked like Ezzard Charles' decision over him in 1951.
FWIW, I had Holmes beating McCall 115-113.