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DavidThaKing
By Manuel Perez: With Manny Pacquiao’s recent problems with WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto not wanting to put his title on the line for the fight, Pacquiao might want to look in another direction towards WBA welterweight champion Shane Mosley, who said that he’s more than willing to still fight Pacquiao. On Thursday night at the GBP fight at the Club Nokia, Mosley said “Tell them (Pacquiao, Bob Arum and Freddie Roach) what I offered is still on the table. The ball is in their court.”

Pacquiao is upset with Cotto, his scheduled opponent for November 14th, because Cotto won’t agree to put his WBO title on the line at the 145 pound catch weight that the two fighters agreed on. Although Cotto agreed to fight Pacquiao at the lower weight, nothing was ever said about the title being on the line. Technically, 145 falls in the range of the welterweight limit (141-147), but it’s two pounds below the upper limit.

This may not mean much for some people, especially fans of Pacquiao, but what it means for Cotto is that he would be forced to come in at 145 instead of 147. The extra weight that Cotto would have to trim off to squeeze into the 145 pound limit might hurt him and cause him to be weakened for the fight. Naturally, that’s the whole point of there being a catch weight.

In other words, so that Cotto will be weaker than he usually is Pacquiao would have a better chance at winning, because without a catch weight, Cotto would likely beat the stuffing out of Pacquiao. However, with the 145 limit, it effectively changes the whole dynamics of the welterweight title bout, changing the established rules so that Pacquiao could have things his way. it’s hardly fair from my view of things and I don’t blame Cotto for telling Pacquiao to forget fighting for a title unless the fight has the upper limit of 147.

If the fight with Cotto fails to proceed any further, I highly doubt that Pacquiao will fight Mosley, even though Mosley has already said that he’d fight Pacquiao at a 141 pound catch weight and take the much smaller 40% share of the revenue despite being the champion. I think it doesn’t matter what weight or what percentage of the revenue that Mosley is willing to give to Pacquiao, the Filipino won’t be fighting him.

The reason is Mosley is fighting well and recently defeated Antonio Margarito in a 9th round stoppage earlier this year. Pacquiao probably won’t want to risk fighting a talented fighter like Mosley. Pacquiao much prefers fighting Cotto, who was badly beaten last year and struggled in winning a controversial 12-round split decision over Joshua Clottey in his last fight.

The reasons for choosing Cotto are pretty obvious, although it does make Pacquiao look like a cherry picker of the worst order. But, then again, Pacquiao is coming off of wins over the shot and faded Oscar De La Hoya and a fighter that many people feel is overrated in Ricky Hatton, so this is pretty much par for the course. I say it now, Pacquiao will not fight Mosley if the bout with Cotto doesn’t happen. Instead, look for Pacquiao to find some easy mark to fight for another easy payday. Who knows? Maybe Pacquiao can drag De La Hoya out of retirement for another needless fight.

Pacquiao really wants a chance winning a 7th world title for some reason, as if the victory would complete him somehow. Although I don’t know what his preoccupation with winning a 7th world title is all about because I have no clue who most of the fighters are that Pacquiao defeated to pick up his other belts. Out of all of the titles that Pacquiao, I only see one of them over a quality fighter and that’s Juan Manuel Marquez, who Pacquiao defeated by a questionable 12 round split decision last year in March. That fight appeared to be a loss for Pacquiao and many boxing writers, including boxing greats Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr. agree with me on that.

Pacquiao needs to give in to Cotto and fight at 147 instead of his silly 145 pound catch weight. If Pacquiao is the pound for pound number #1 fighter in boxing, then certainly he doesn’t need crutches like this to win, does he? If he’s worried about two pounds being too much for him, then maybe Pacquiao shouldn’t be fighting welterweights. He needs to go back down and resume fighting lightweights or super featherweights again. He never did fight Humberto Soto, who many people feel could beat Pacquiao and he still has Marquez that he needs to fight to clear up the controversy from their last two fights.

leonthegee
maybe pac will go after berto or the bradley v campbell winner.
iron_mike
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Aug 1 2009, 08:14 PM) *
maybe pac will go after berto or the bradley v campbell winner.



There's no $$ in either of those fights. It's gotta be Cotto Mosley or Floyd, or maybe rubber match with JMM. Berto don't deserve shit for being so boring, and Bradley Campbell winner, maybe Pac 6 years ago, but he's in full PBF mode, only the big dollar fights
provo
Pac won't fight shane! He don't fight black fighters LOL.
imo its because there more of a skillful fighter,move more and more elusive "boxer"!
And pac won't match up well against that! If he fights shane it would be at 140 just to give pac a shot pac is weak making all these damn excuses 'being a little bitch'
I hate shane ,but if this fight happens I hope shane beats the shit out of this lil overatated no boxing skills head down eyes closed swinging bitch
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE (provo @ Aug 1 2009, 08:02 PM) *
Pac won't fight shane! He don't fight black fighters LOL.
imo its because there more of a skillful fighter,move more and more elusive "boxer"!
And pac won't match up well against that! If he fights shane it would be at 140 just to give pac a shot pac is weak making all these damn excuses 'being a little bitch'
I hate shane ,but if this fight happens I hope shane beats the shit out of this lil overatated no boxing skills head down eyes closed swinging bitch

Shut up fool. What kind of boxing fan hates Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquaio?

If Paq won't fight Shane, it's because Roach knows Shane will beat him. Not because Shane is black.
torvix2000
Pac should go for Shane. There's no need for him to entertain Cotto's "prima donna" posturing. And this is a great matchup. Cotto is shot anyway.
torvix2000
Dan Rafael (12:02 PM)

Not at all. As long as it's over 140 and no more than 147 the belt can be (and should be) up. If the fight was at 139 or 148, fine no belt. There are many fights in which catch weights are used within a division and the title is still at stake. This is Cotto being petty.

Sean Davidson (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK)

Dan the man, simple question regarding the Cotto/Pac/WBO mess. If Cotto is WBO welterweight champ, and he decides to fight within the welterweight limits, then regardless of him agreeing to a catchweight, shouldn't he be obligated to defend his belt?

Dan Rafael (12:11 PM)

100 percent. At the end of the day, the title will be on the line I believe. No way is Arum going to miss out on the promotional aspect of Manny going for a record seventh title. As much as I bitch about titles and such in this specific instance, the title should be at stake because there is more meaning to it than a normal fight. Nobody every won titles in seven divisions. If Manny wins, he deserves the belt. If it was so easy to win all those titles, somebody else would have already done it.

Ty (Philly)

I'm surprised to hear you call Cotto petty, don't you think as the champ he's entitled to some stipulations going his way?

Dan Rafael (1:29 PM)

Well he got the two extra pounds he wanted when Pacquaio wanted the fight at 143. To me, if a fight is in the welterweight division and one fighter holds the tile, the title should be up, end of story.

Rags (NYC)

Does the RING Magazine title require a sanctioning fee? Could Arum pursue that "title" to make everyone happy with Cotto-PacMan?

Dan Rafael (1:57 PM)

No, there is no fee for a Ring title. Plus, the rules on how you can fight for one are very, very explicit. Cotto-Pac can't be for the title based on their rules since Mosley is ranked 1 and you can't fill a vacant title without the No. 1 fighter in the fight.

Dylan (Austin, TX)


I kind of understand Cotto's reluctance to not want to make it a title fight... I think that if it should be a title bout then there should be a max weight limit of 147, no catch weight. If you want to fight for a title, let there be no handicaps.

Dan Rafael (2:08 PM)

Here's the bottom line: If you are a champion in any division other than heavy (which has no upper limi) and you fight under that division limit you're title is at stake. Look at all the nontitle fights over the years. I can't think of a single one in which the champion fought a nontitle fight in which he weighed somewhere within the division. It's just that simple unless Cotto wants to vacate. In that case, nothing would stop the WBO from allowing Pacquiao to fight for the vacant title.

Angel (Orlando, FL)

Hey Dan! I understand what you mean by the weight limit in a certain division, but with Pacquiao demanding that Cotto not be allowed to reach the maximum weight limit in the welterweight division, then Cotto should have the right to say well then you can't fight for my title, and from what I've read, Cotto has stated he will vacate the title and Pacquiao can fight for a vacant title. No big deal, he still gets to fight for the title, but Cotto chose to give it up since he's being handicapped by not being allowed to reach the MAXIMUM weight limit in HIS WEIGHT CLASS...So Pacquiao gets to fight for a vacant title....

Dan Rafael (2:20 PM)

It doesn't matter WHY a guy isn't at the upper limit. It only matters that the fight is IN the division. This is getting old. Do you not understand English?
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (DavidThaKing @ Aug 1 2009, 10:51 PM) *
By Manuel Perez:
Pacquiao really wants a chance winning a 7th world title for some reason, as if the victory would complete him somehow. Although I don’t know what his preoccupation with winning a 7th world title is all about because I have no clue who most of the fighters are that Pacquiao defeated to pick up his other belts. Out of all of the titles that Pacquiao, I only see one of them over a quality fighter and that’s Juan Manuel Marquez, who Pacquiao defeated by a questionable 12 round split decision last year in March. That fight appeared to be a loss for Pacquiao and many boxing writers, including boxing greats Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr. agree with me on that.



Perhaps Manuel Perez should take Cotto's cock out of his mouth & consider not covering boxing if he does not have a clue who the world champions Pac beat are. Perez do your job & do the research required of it. If I did my job as poorly as you appear to do yours I would be looking for a new career.
JLUVBABY
guys this fight is not cancelled... roach is talking bout if cotto doesnt pay the sanctioning fees they will so regardless if pac lucks up and wins this fight he will recieve his title...
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