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BigG
"Boxing is dying".

Fuck off Ricky Fatton.....Boxing will never die.....

Maybe it's dying in the UK because all your fans came to the US to watch Pacman beat you like you ate his fucking dog
STEVENSKI
Personally I think it is & it's death will be like a long battle with cancer. There will be remissions sure but overall I think boxing is going down to MMA especially in fan support & PPV #'s.
BigG
But boxing is doing just fine even WITH MMA. Who cares if MMA does more? Does it mean people will just STOP watching boxing? Can't people be a fan of both? I know a ton of MMA fans who are excited to see Mayweather fight. Pacman-Cotto will be a big show. The biggest PPV of the year is still Pacman-Hatton...I've been hearing this crap from so many people for the last few years. If you love MMA, you should love Boxing, and vice versa. Both combat sprots....I don't get this pointless, stupid rivalry. I just want a good fight. Boxing and MMA has given us good fights....if an MMA fan can't appreciate a fight like Morales-Barrera I then I don't know anymore.
Box in Hand
As long as there are kids in gyms jumping rope, shadow boxing, and hitting the bag, Boxing will never die. As long as we have sites like this and as long as we keep talking about it Boxing will never die. I watched the UFC tonight and I know that it can't hold a candle to a good boxing match. Fuck all that grappling, give me a good 12 rounder any day. Fuck Ricky Hatton.
STEVENSKI
Don't get me wrong but boxing will be playing second fiddle to MMA in years to come. I think boxing will make a resurgence though as it is a far more pure sport but I expect MMA to keep expanding & Boxing to drop off somewhat.
BigG
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Aug 9 2009, 06:51 AM) *
Don't get me wrong but boxing will be playing second fiddle to MMA in years to come. I think boxing will make a resurgence though as it is a far more pure sport but I expect MMA to keep expanding & Boxing to drop off somewhat.


That may be possible but why would Boxing just "drop off" you're saying people would just stop watching it? I think a good fight is a good fight simple as that you put two big names together in BOXING and it will always be a good sell...with or without MMA.

Sorry dude, I REFUSE to believe a sport that has produced so MANY icons and legends...people who are considered HEROES in their countires....(Ali, Joe Louis, SRR, Leonard, Duran, Pacquiao, Marciano) is dying. It will be around forever, no matter what.
The CEO
Hatton shat where he ate, eh?

Every British Boxing fan on Earth should HATE this bastard's GUTS....


I'm going to bed......I'll address this more tomorrow....
Maxy
I dont agree with Hatton on this at all but maybe he's just speaking out of frustration after his brothers fight with Zab hit a brick wall. It's not been a good year considering all the postponements and cancellations.

There are some good young fighters on the rise in the UK and Hatton is pretty much finished so he should just retire.

Boxing needs some work though, no doubt about it.
provo
Boxing will never die..boxing just need more publicity more tv action not just HBO or showtime , make it on like a basic cable channel or something show some young talent out there ! MMA is all over.
thehype
Fuck Hatton and Calzaghe. Those fucks certainly aren't helping the sport by retiring or tucking their tail between their legs after suffering only their second loss. If Calzaghe wants to make sure the sport doesn't die, then fucking come back and fight some of these younger cats to ensure the torch is passed to the next generation.
ROLL DEEP
There's no doubt boxing is on shaky legs.



I do think it's bad when you have someone like Hatton and Calzaghe - and i'm sure there are or will be others - who are respected and idolised by many fans to say that.

Their fans will take it as the truth and that will be damaging to boxing. They should be pushing the sport in a positive light and promoting it, not saying it's dying.




As far as my personal experiences, MMA is crazy popular. My friends, the people I talk to regularly and the general public I hear talk about MMA...NEVER boxing. I very, very, VERY rarely hear dudes talking about boxing.

They ask me about all kind of UFC guys and when I try to change the subject to boxing, they have no idea who I'm talking about.

They can name 27 different UFC guys and like 3 boxers. Normally it'll be Hatton, Amir Khan and 'that Welsh bloke, Calzone or something?!' laugh.gif
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (BigG @ Aug 9 2009, 12:54 AM) *
That may be possible but why would Boxing just "drop off" you're saying people would just stop watching it? I think a good fight is a good fight simple as that you put two big names together in BOXING and it will always be a good sell...with or without MMA.

Sorry dude, I REFUSE to believe a sport that has produced so MANY icons and legends...people who are considered HEROES in their countires....(Ali, Joe Louis, SRR, Leonard, Duran, Pacquiao, Marciano) is dying. It will be around forever, no matter what.

I totally agree..One guy you forgot to include though was Jack Dempsey..He is a major part of history in the 20s..No one was bigger at that time..Who didn't know who Dempsey was back then??

It's too bad none of us hardcore fans didn't live back when fight night was the place to be or thing to hear(on the radio)..If you didn't watch Ali/Frazier when it happened,you must have been all alone that night cause thats what everyone was doing..Same thing with Dempsey/Willard..Who wasn't watching Joe Louis vs. Schmeling 2??They said whoever won that fight would win WW2!!!How insane is that??A world war being summed up in a boxing match..
Keith
Ricky Hatton should stick to drinking beer and getting knocked the fuck out. Those are the things he does best. What a clown.



Romulus9
QUOTE (keith @ Aug 9 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Ricky Hatton should stick to drinking beer and getting knocked the fuck out. Those are the things he does best. What a clown.




You can't see me, but I'm applauding.

Somewhere, CEO is too.
The CEO
Yep....I applauded....but I'm too mad to post about what he said about Boxing....I don't wanna get started....

Ricky Hatton was as unprofessional as he was overrated.
Romulus9
Hatton's opinion is as overrated as his skills.

I'm not concerned about what he and Calslappy have to say about boxing, especially the latter since calling him a "fighter" is so tragically ironic.

I'm not worried about boxing, for now.

The key isn't necessarily for the networks to be able to compete monetarily with HBO's PPV money, etc. The key is for some of the top fighters and promoters to prove that they care about boxing (instead of just paying lip service to that effect) and request that there be a big fight on network TV in prime time. I bet a network would jump.

I just wish ESPN would up the ante on their boxing budget. They have the air time. Now they need to throw more cash behind it, get better fights (more than one legit title fight per 'season' on FNF), and really present things to the general sports public, not just the boxing public, in a way that will encourage growth.
Byrd Man
I just read what he said, and I have to agree to a point.

This shit with his brother's fight with Judah, is essentially the EXACT SAME shit that we see Mayweather do and Pacman doing. Try to get all the damn advantages, and have your opponent at such a weakened state that there's no way they're going to be able to give you a serious threat.

I'm sure there's many people that look at how things go here and how things go in the UFC and naturally feel that UFC is better.

I despise UFC/MMA and will never watch it EVER. That being said, you have to give it up to how they're marketing and doing their thing. You can debate whether or not having one person in charge of things is a good thing or not, but I think it's pretty evident that what Ricky said is pretty much the way it's playing out.

Sure he was frustrated because of his brother's fight falling apart due to Judah's demands for everything and the sink, and you may feel offended at what he said about Boxing, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Boxing has some SERIOUS fucking issues to deal with, and right now UFC is there to pick up the pieces of the sport of Boxing which appears to be falling apart.

People think just because there's a handful of major events in Boxing that somehow that means that Boxing is fine and dandy.

Not exactly. lol
WindyCityP
Boxing is losing the battle BG. For me it's on it's last legs. I could care less about any of the up coming fights. RIP boxing sad.gif

Keith
I heard through twitter that Hatton is making a porn movie with Pacs Sister. He decided if you cant beat em... beat off on em. He'll cum up short in that one too.

D-MARV
QUOTE (keith @ Aug 9 2009, 06:40 PM) *
I heard through a twitter update that Hatton is making a porn movie with Pacs Sister. He decided if you cant beat em... beat off on em. He'll come up short in that one too.


Thats actually not Pac's sister. That IS Manny Pacquiao (Post De La Hoya).
Box in Hand
QUOTE (keith @ Aug 9 2009, 05:40 PM) *
I heard through twitter that Hatton is making a porn movie with Pacs Sister. He decided if you cant beat em... beat off on em. He'll cum up short in that one too.




I'm gonna be sick.
singletrack
QUOTE (BigG @ Aug 9 2009, 01:26 AM) *
"Boxing is dying".

Fuck off Ricky Fatton.....Boxing will never die.....

Maybe it's dying in the UK because all your fans came to the US to watch Pacman beat you like you ate his fucking dog


Ricky Hatton looks like he has down syndrome.

Boxing is not dying.

I can't decide which t-shirts are more retarded - affliction or tap out.
Byrd Man
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 9 2009, 09:00 PM) *
I don't understand what the big deal is about Ricky Hatton mentioning this. Maybe it's a problem because they are (Hatton and Calzaghe) are british. rolleyes_anim.gif

I bet if Bernard Hopkins was to comment on the state of boxing going down hill, we would be getting replies on how Hopkins is old school, he is cut from the same cloth as the old timers. Back then people fought anyone and now too much politics and money, blah blah blah. I know exactly how it would pan out.
Maybe if someone pasted an actual article.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/spo...n_boxings_dying

Once again, here are some key parts.

Every single one of those points has a lot of merit to it, and a lot of those points are things some of you guys bring up on here in threads. I suppose it's incorrect just because a Euro said it.


Exactly! He spoke the truth, unfortunately many people don't want to accept that. They want to blindly keep cheering and saying everything's fine. Then one day they wake up and it's too big of a problem for them to ignore anymore.
Keith
Assumming he's retired, I consider him a spineless prick for saying it AFTER he's cashed out. What he said has merit... but he failed to mention it when he was collecting millions of dollars in ppv revenue on overall shitty fight cards. He didnt seem concerned with the state of boxing then did he?

Imagine for a moment... you go to a car dealership to buy a new car. The salesman tells you all the great things about the company/make/model. You buy the car... the salesman gets his commission, the company/dealer get their share. A couple years later you run into the salesman. He tells you he no longer sells cars, that you bought an inferior product, and that you should of bought a car from this other company thats making better cars for less money. WOULDNT YOU BE A TAD PISSED?
lloyd mayflower
What Calzaghe and Hatton have said recently definitely holds a lot of water in Britain. I have barely seen a fight seen the death of Setanta Sports. Being a boxing fan in Britain is like your own dirty little secret that no one wants to hear about. The BBC arent interested and Sky are only interested in fleecing us for watching that little shit Amir Khan.

If Hatton is retired, and Calzaghe stays retired, then as much as i hate to see it, boxing in Britain is on life support. There is no one that will capture the imagination and get the following that Calzaghe and Hatton got.

Sad but true.
JLUVBABY
ricky hatton holds no water in anything he has to say about boxing right now... his stock went down the shitter with his 2nd round ko at the hands of pac... and calslappy was never really liked on this side the pond or the other... britian has some good fighters that the i am sure the public will back.. carl froch just has to keep winning, khan will have a following as long as he dont trip and fall again.. david haye is a fight away from gaining some popularity and the way britian is spitting out world class fighters right now there will be others to come along.. boxing is not diing in the u.k...
Byrd Man
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Aug 11 2009, 03:22 PM) *
ricky hatton holds no water in anything he has to say about boxing right now... his stock went down the shitter with his 2nd round ko at the hands of pac... and calslappy was never really liked on this side the pond or the other... britian has some good fighters that the i am sure the public will back.. carl froch just has to keep winning, khan will have a following as long as he dont trip and fall again.. david haye is a fight away from gaining some popularity and the way britian is spitting out world class fighters right now there will be others to come along.. boxing is not diing in the u.k...


So, according to your logic, as soon as someone loses, they have no say? You said as soon as he got knocked out by Pac in the 2nd round, that his stock went down, and that's sort of insinuating that DUE to that, he no longer has any weight to what he says about Boxing.

No offense, but that's complete horse shit.

No matter WHAT your record is, someone's words should be considered not due to who they are but what they are saying. And Ricky spoke the truth.
lloyd mayflower
Amir Khan will never get a following even one tenth as big as Hatton, Calzaghe did have a pretty big following in Britain and they also followed him to the US in pretty decent numbers, the reason being cos Khan is a prick. And Froch wont get the following because at 32 he doesnt really have time to build it up, he is not known outside of boxing in Britain. The state of boxing has fuck all to do with the quality of fighters, it has to do with the fact that because we dont get to see the fights, no one is getting interested, there are no new or casual fans.

Regardless of what u think of Ricky, what he says is mostly undeniable, u cant slaughter him for it either because he can hold his head up unlike most and say he went after the best throughout his career and that is also undeniable.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (Byrd Man @ Aug 11 2009, 05:43 PM) *
So, according to your logic, as soon as someone loses, they have no say? You said as soon as he got knocked out by Pac in the 2nd round, that his stock went down, and that's sort of insinuating that DUE to that, he no longer has any weight to what he says about Boxing.

No offense, but that's complete horse shit.

No matter WHAT your record is, someone's words should be considered not due to who they are but what they are saying. And Ricky spoke the truth.


boxing isnt dying... ricky hatton spoke that b.s due to the fact that his funky ass got his hat served on a silver platter by pac.. he's done... he's a drunk as fighter that never reached his potential because he loved the manchester pub more than his career... for him to say boxing is dying is horseshit... his career is dying... there are a few fighters like i said in my last post that will eclipse his career... to me thats a sour grapes statement... had he beaten pac no way he mutters those words lets be real...
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 11 2009, 08:40 PM) *
I don't understand this logic one bit Jluv. Using that same logic, I wouldn't listen to what any body says on this forum and what they say holds no water, because none of you guys had any stock to actually begin with.


thats fair game you can listen or not listen to what ever you want to on this forum just like we as readers of what you write have the same right... thats why we all have opinions.. what makes you more right than me or vice versa?... unless we are writing actual fact like a fight date etc.. whats writeen on this forum is OPINIONS... what you say holds as much stock as the next man or woman that writes on this forum.. without our diffrent opinions we wouldnt have much of a forum.... i will tell you like i told byrd man, had hatton beat pac he wouldnt be saying boxing was dying.. thats the way i see it... hatton got flattened (that rhymes i like that) and now has negative stuff to say about the sport that made him rich... my opinion on him is fuck him... there are and will be british fighters to come along that will bring a much better skill level to the table and they will follow these fighters just like they followed him...
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 12 2009, 12:31 AM) *
JLuv, I'm just curious. Do you think all of these statements are completely false?









I think points 1, 3 and 4 have a lot of merit to it and what usually separates boxing and ufc. You think those statements are false?


i agree with one comment he had to say and that is, " If you go to UFC you are seeing proper fights.".. i agree with that... after that he sounds like a disgruntled fighter in my opinion... thing is what we are seeing in boxing right now is nothing that hasnt happened to the sport time and time again... boxing is in a slump right now... there will be a fighter to come along that will ressurect the sport and the good and great fighters that are fighting at the time will get noticed at that point and boxing will hit a peak again... thats the sport it has its peaks and valleys... its been the story of the sport since it started... all its gonna take is a heavyweight that captivates the mass audience and its coming... boxing was considered dead after ali was done and years later came tyson who had the charisma and the sport flourished and saw purses that where unheard of from there... all i can say is enjoy what you have and in due time the sport will pick its self back up... but again to answer your question yes i think hattons statements hold little merit..
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 12 2009, 01:05 AM) *
Yeah I agree with that, though I was never kind of debating on whether Hatton said this because he won or lost, I was just focusing on the comments he made and not why. The actual comments all had merit to it. Whether you think the reason in why he said it is different, that's fair enough, but the actual point? I think they were all valid and points I hear a lot from fans on this board.


truth is is boxing struggling right now?... maybe.. but not as bad as hatton makes it out to be... all the promoters and fighters have to do is make the fights and boxing really isnt as bad off as it would seem.. heavyweights aside there are some very solid fan friendly fights to be made right now... promoters are protecting these guys which is why boxing is in the position its in but i've seen the fight game in much worse conditions... just think back in the early 80's boxing was kept alive by the welers and middles... 2 weight divisions kept the sport afloat... as unfair as it is larry holmes was an afterthought really... it wasnt until tyon evolved that boxing really flourished again...
boxingfollower
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Aug 9 2009, 01:51 AM) *
Don't get me wrong but boxing will be playing second fiddle to MMA in years to come. I think boxing will make a resurgence though as it is a far more pure sport but I expect MMA to keep expanding & Boxing to drop off somewhat.


We may be headed thay way as some MMA fans claim. But surely not at the moment. I think MMA fans say negative things about boxing in hopes that loyal boxing fans switch preference to MMA. I have not seen a fight crowd as electrifying as the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. That shit was loaded with celebrities and politicians alike. fuck.gif A kind of crowd that proves MMA is still way behind. For as long as boxing has extraordinary fighters like Pacquiao, boxing will not fall behind MMA. Ciao!
streetlion1
The only thing thats "dying" or "dead" are is the career of defenseless lil Ricky and the man hood of Joe CuntSlappy.

Hatton got exposed for the defenseless bum he always was when Gayweather K.Oed him and then Pacman put him out for good!

Slappy is just a guy who was given a gift decision against a true legend like Hopkins then ducked the mans challenge for a rematch only to go slap around old Roy and retire!

Fattons a bum....Slappys a coward...and right now their bangin each other singing -"Theres only one Ricky Hatton"
Byrd Man
QUOTE (streetlion1 @ Aug 20 2009, 10:35 AM) *
The only thing thats "dying" or "dead" are is the career of defenseless lil Ricky and the man hood of Joe CuntSlappy.

Hatton got exposed for the defenseless bum he always was when Gayweather K.Oed him and then Pacman put him out for good!

Slappy is just a guy who was given a gift decision against a true legend like Hopkins then ducked the mans challenge for a rematch only to go slap around old Roy and retire!

Fattons a bum....Slappys a coward...and right now their bangin each other singing -"Theres only one Ricky Hatton"


And who says Boxing fans have no class and intelligence?

I mean it takes SERIOUS intellect to come up with clever riffs on boxer's names. "CuntSlappy" and ""Gayweather" and "Ricky Fatton".

I mean...Just look at that creativity just bubbling there.

lol
Jack 1000
Here is my current take on the current boxing experiance:

As I have written many times,

Boxing is not dead, it's the way that it is marketed that is killing it. There are issues with mainstream fighters DEMANDING such extraordinary amounts of money from promoters and TV networks that they can't even put together a decent PPV undercard anymore. There are exceptions, but you will often see 2-3 undercard fights on a $55-$60 PPV that don't even pass for ESPN material most of the time, while guys like Mayweather, Delahoya, or Jones in past years could command and demand 20, 30, 40, 50 million dollars for one fight. Tyson got a reported $25 MILLION for fucking Peter McNeeley and that was in August 1995! That was the beginning of the trend. The trend that big stars could demand outrageous purses for PPV subpar opponents. It hasn't really been the same since.

Any money left over from the fighter promoter and networks greedy hands has to go to advertising revenue. The guys left on the undercard are often fighting for peanuts because there's nothing left. The greatest boxing in the world from Pryor-Arguello I, Chacon-Limon IV, Corrales-Castillo I, the Barrera-Morales trilliogy, the Ward-Gatti fights will always be 1000 times more exciting than any MMA contests. Show me any MMA contest that matched up to these 10-15 rounds of action depending on the fight, compared to only 3-5 rounds of MMA. I submit you can't do it. There is a greater likelihood of an MMA fight to be over in seconds, more so than a traditional boxing match. But because these younger kids have never seen these classic fights, they don't know anything about these matches. Boxing at $50-$60 for PPV is now marketed to the rich and powerful.

In contrast MMA, with their "less is more" philosophy works better among younger crowds because the fighters often want to fight each other and the promoters don't put everything into a main event and have a well-balanced card. You also have commercial networks and standard cable doing for MMA what they were doing for boxing 20-50 years ago. That is creating a commercial interest in quality promoted cards and going to smaller towns and venues so that the younger generation can get excited about MMA. Boxing can absolutely be like it was as recent as 15 years ago. But it is going to involve the powers that be risking less money on a PPV, by going to commercial and standard cable with popular fighters who are inclined to brawl. Race and ethnicity are not relevant if you have a mainstream fighter on mainstream TV with great public access who engages in entertaining brawls.

There is still great boxing out there for all to enjoy, but it's seem by only a handful of people because they are forced to have Showtime, HBO AND pay $50-$60 to watch a PPV card where all the money on the PPV goes into one fight. As long as the competitive fights are made accessible to as many people as possible, everything's cool. Boxing's not dead. it's just being marketed by people who got too greedy for their own good. I believe that soon, the MMA will see the same fate as well. How much longer are MMA guys gonna fight for say fifty to one-hundred thousand dollar purses, when they see the multi-millions that conventional boxers are getting?

Jack
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