QUOTE (Method @ Sep 11 2009, 10:44 PM)
Quite the contrary. I only take exception to baseless claims, such as the "a prime 160-168 Toney beats any version of..."
I have no problem that you think it, but you offer up nothing to qualify o quantify...just "based on what he could have been"
Im not in a fury over nothin. I could care less about it if you threw something up that backed your claim. But ya dont. You just state it matter of factly, based on what he woulda been if he didnt underachieve..or whatever. But its all good. I understand not everyone is capable of making a valid point. As far as you saying "any version of Toney, and claim I am up in arms, I can say wen they were slated to fight at Cruiser, and Ring Mag put out their double issue special 4 out of 5 analysts/experts picked Hops to beat him, and none of them were named "Method", so my vision can't be that myopic, can it?
Regardless, Im a fan of James. As some one put it, I dig the fact that he's ready to throw whenever, Bu ti do remember Hopkins stormed one of Toney's pressers when he (Toney) was a middie, and Toney moved to Super Middie shortly thereafter.
Naazim told me a real interesting story about all that and the entire prospect of a Toney/Hopkins fight over the years when it was finally thought the cruiser weight fight was made.
All I can base it on, as much as anyone can, is watching their respective fights over the years, looking at what each guy brings to the table and deciding from there. For mine James hung with some serious dudes in that early part of his career and I like him over Hopkins, and no I'm not basing that on the older B-Hop, but the more active version. The dude didn't get the name The Executioner for nothing. I like James' speed in this mythical match up and I think the angles he presents would give Hopkins problems.
But fair is fair that's no one-sided match-up, they both have plenty of moments in this fight.
It would've been a better scrap than either of their fights with Roy.
I don't really care for what experts predict as often they can be as wrong as we the fans when making picks. Teddy Atlas anyone? LOL A good way to make money off fights is to find out whom Teddy Atlas is picking and back the opposite guy.
Don't think I'm anti Hopkins, shoot when I'm feeling down in the dumps and want to cheer myself up I usually put either his fight with Pavlik or his fight with Tarver into the DVD and hey presto! I'm feeling much better again. His beatdown of Trinidad is one of my fave beatdowns of all time.
Obviously you would pick Hopkins in this fight and I'd say you could make a relevant argument either the way. I guess the saddest thing is we'll never know. As a fan of the sport from the late 80's it is probably in my top 3 fights that never happened category.