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kidbazooka1
What do you guys think Cotto looks drained as f*ck to me. He should have pulled a Mayweather now he's gonna get destroyed even quicker.

Manny by KO within five.

see photo and compare



ROLL DEEP
You can't look too much into one photo.

He DOES look drained though, but it could be shadowing or something.



He seemed to be eating well on 24/7! laugh.gif
streetlion1
How does he look drained? Have you guys been watching the 24/7 series? He looks very strong in training. He began training over a month before Pacman did....I dont think he looks drained at all....based on what I see in 24/7 he looks like he may be in the best shape of his career.
torvix2000
Bad examples, KidBazooka. Cotto vs Pac and Cotto vs Marg both look drained to me. Shadows?

But you maybe right. I've seen some couple shots of Cotto and he looked drained to me.
PR316
I doubt Cotto is nearly as drained as De La Hoya was for his fight with Manny.


Pacquiao may win but I don't think the weight is going to be an issue. And I don't think Pacquiao will KO Cotto, honestly.


This fight's likely to go to the cards IMO and it could be close down the stretch. In theory Pacquiao should have enough to stay away from Cotto's left hook and take a UD, but this will be the biggest puncher he's ever fought. There's no telling how he'll react to Cotto's punches when they land because Miguel WILL land at some point. That will be key.
kidbazooka1
Look at his face his eyes give it away.

He might have overtrained aswell.
Big Slim Sweet
manny by mid-round massacre.
The CEO
lol...he ain't drained...that's just a very unflattering photo....a combination of bad lighting, angle, facial expression, and the tilt of his hat....

Cotto's gonna weather the rain and go to town on Pacquiao from the beltline up...
Douchebag
QUOTE (Sweetness @ Nov 11 2009, 11:18 AM) *
manny by mid-round massacre.

Your sig is getting raped, bitch!
Method
They said the same thing about ex before Tito.

I have come to respect CEO's confidence, and I'm even happier this go-round because we're backing the same horse this time. It's not so much that I think Cotto will win, it's more Im hoping like a motherfucker that he wins. Im sick of this Pacman bamboozle.

caneman
He better not be drained or have over trained cause things will be ugly as possible. I can't see the pic that well on my cell but Cotto is a professial and I think he'll be ready!
Keith
QUOTE (kidbazooka1 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:58 AM) *
Look at his face his eyes give it away.

He might have overtrained aswell.


Thats you hoping he's drained and overtrained because.... Your sig is mine kid.
The CEO
QUOTE (Method @ Nov 11 2009, 11:38 AM) *
They said the same thing about ex before Tito.

I have come to respect CEO's confidence, and I'm even happier this go-round because we're backing the same horse this time. It's not so much that I think Cotto will win, it's more Im hoping like a motherfucker that he wins. Im sick of this Pacman bamboozle.


Well thank you...certainly feels good bein' on the same ticket with you on this one....you know Hype and JD are pretty confident about Pacquiao though, right?...lol

Let me tell you this though...I'm way more confident about Ward over Kessler than I am about Cotto over Pacquiao...I'm just bein' loud for the Hell of it...because I'm only 65% sure Cotto wins....
EpTXCHAMP
QUOTE (PR316 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:55 AM) *
I doubt Cotto is nearly as drained as De La Hoya was for his fight with Manny.


Pacquiao may win but I don't think the weight is going to be an issue. And I don't think Pacquiao will KO Cotto, honestly.


This fight's likely to go to the cards IMO and it could be close down the stretch. In theory Pacquiao should have enough to stay away from Cotto's left hook and take a UD, but this will be the biggest puncher he's ever fought. There's no telling how he'll react to Cotto's punches when they land because Miguel WILL land at some point. That will be key.



agreed...he cant be as bad as DLH...I like 145 for cotto cuz he will be lighter on his feet...people forget he weighed 145 against judah in which he was light moved quickly and cut off judah at times. which I think he is going to have to do sat to win
blackbelt2003
Man, I don't know who to pick.

CEO and Meth on one side, Hype and JD on another.


Those are four people you don't bet against, so this is a fucking toss up if I ever saw one.


I'm going for......fuck it. I'll tell you Sunday morning.




Black
Method
Oh, dont let my calling for Cotto influence you at all. It's predominantly emotionally based. Hype's been getting the inside scoop and from the sounds of it, Cotto's been half stepping in camp. That worries me big time.

Im still going w Cotto though. I think Paq is a big bamboozle with this catch weight game they are all playing.

Paq steps up to 147, legitimately, he gets his arse wiped from the face of this earth, and equilibrium is restored.

The only thing all of the info Hype's been feeding me has done is kept me from laying money on Cotto. Im hoping against hope that Cotto has NOT been pussing out, but why the fuck would he boot El Gato? that shit bothered me.

My thing is, I dont think Paq is all that much faster than Mosley (if at all), and Cotto timed Mosley beautifully. I'm just hoping Paq cant hurt Cotto, cuz Cotto has been in there w MUCH BIGGER, STRONGER guys. Basically, Id even go so far as to say that Cotto has been in there with better overall PRIME talent (not like the tough man show Hatton tried to play or the burnt out faded DLH).

Who knows. Im just pulling for Cotto. Im sick of Roach and Paq.
kidbazooka1
QUOTE (Keith @ Nov 11 2009, 01:08 PM) *
Thats you hoping he's drained and overtrained because.... Your sig is mine kid.


Getting a little nervous now huh Keith.

It's ok i won't be to hard on you after the fight................NOT.
The CEO
QUOTE (Method @ Nov 11 2009, 02:15 PM) *
Oh, dont let my calling for Cotto influence you at all. It's predominantly emotionally based. Hype's been getting the inside scoop and from the sounds of it, Cotto's been half stepping in camp. That worries me big time.

Im still going w Cotto though. I think Paq is a big bamboozle with this catch weight game they are all playing.

Paq steps up to 147, legitimately, he gets his arse wiped from the face of this earth, and equilibrium is restored.

The only thing all of the info Hype's been feeding me has done is kept me from laying money on Cotto. Im hoping against hope that Cotto has NOT been pussing out, but why the fuck would he boot El Gato? that shit bothered me.

My thing is, I dont think Paq is all that much faster than Mosley (if at all), and Cotto timed Mosley beautifully. I'm just hoping Paq cant hurt Cotto, cuz Cotto has been in there w MUCH BIGGER, STRONGER guys. Basically, Id even go so far as to say that Cotto has been in there with better overall PRIME talent (not like the tough man show Hatton tried to play or the burnt out faded DLH).

Who knows. Im just pulling for Cotto. Im sick of Roach and Paq.


lol...the bold above is what dropped me from 75% to 65%....I'll probably still bet...but not as heavy as I like to...

Agreed on pretty much everything there...


I, too, am wantin' The Divas to get beaten back down to Earth...especially Roach.
blackbelt2003
QUOTE (Method @ Nov 11 2009, 07:15 PM) *
Oh, dont let my calling for Cotto influence you at all. It's predominantly emotionally based. Hype's been getting the inside scoop and from the sounds of it, Cotto's been half stepping in camp. That worries me big time.

Im still going w Cotto though. I think Paq is a big bamboozle with this catch weight game they are all playing.

Paq steps up to 147, legitimately, he gets his arse wiped from the face of this earth, and equilibrium is restored.

The only thing all of the info Hype's been feeding me has done is kept me from laying money on Cotto. Im hoping against hope that Cotto has NOT been pussing out, but why the fuck would he boot El Gato? that shit bothered me.

My thing is, I dont think Paq is all that much faster than Mosley (if at all), and Cotto timed Mosley beautifully. I'm just hoping Paq cant hurt Cotto, cuz Cotto has been in there w MUCH BIGGER, STRONGER guys. Basically, Id even go so far as to say that Cotto has been in there with better overall PRIME talent (not like the tough man show Hatton tried to play or the burnt out faded DLH).

Who knows. Im just pulling for Cotto. Im sick of Roach and Paq.



I hear you, man. I just don't know what to make of the size thing. I mean, I though DLH was just gonna be too big and walk through him, shot or faded or not. Instead the size was just not a factor.

I never expected Hatton to beat him, but I thought his strength and size would at least make it a tough fight. Instead it was just not a factor.


I feel like saying Cotto is bigger, stronger and hits harder and will walk through Pac, but I also feel like I've said this shit before with Manny and it turned out all wrong.


But maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Maybe it isn't the size and the strength that'll do it for Cotto, but the fact that he can fucking box his arse off. Like you said, man, look at how he negated Shane's speed. Maybe Cotto the boxer is more effective in this fight than Cotto the fighter.


Too tough to pick, man. If pushed into a corner, I'm going with Pac on pts. No, wait, Cotto late stoppage. Ah, whatever, I just want a great fight.



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KookedKrack
damn he looks drained as fuck, meanwhile his bff looks like he is eating for the both of them
Method
What fucking picture are we basing this thread off of anyway?
Lil-lightsout
He def looks drained in the picture on the first page. But I don't think much of it, he should be replenished by fight time. Whats this shit about Cotto half stepping? I find it hard to believe in a fight of this magnitude, it just does not make any sense at all. I just can not get the fact out of my head what JMM could do against Pac, now imagine what Cotto can do also. I mean as long as Pac does not get him out of there early, we will see what Pac is made of. I just can not see Pac taking what Cotto is going to lay on him. And if Pac does take it and wins impressively, damn I need to give more props to Pac and hate Roach even more. I honestly think I want Pac to lose more because of Roach than anything else.
salvador
He does look drained, though it's obviously possible that the photo could be misleading.

The odds on Sportsbook.com have actually swung a fair amount today. This morning Cotto was +190 to win, now he's +220. I wonder how much of that is just Pac-mania vs. the number of serious fans in Vegas who got a look at Cotto's face.
leonthegee
of course cotto looks drained. why else would manny be fighting him?
Method
Pac mania
rusty_trombone
He doesn't look as drained as my balls are gonna be after I get done nutting on Eugene after this fight.
JonnyBlaze
He kinda looks like Paul Williams in that picture..haha..Really weird..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Fitz @ Nov 11 2009, 06:18 PM) *
Wouldn't surprise me if he does come in drained. They didn't ask him to weigh in at 145 for no reason, so Roach is expecting something.

Roach kinda reminds me of Dundee with these mind games he tries to play..I remember Dundee trying to say Duran had a heart condition and he was getting tested and couldn't train for like 5 days and he had to drain himself to make weight..
kidbazooka1
People are bashing Roach for making fighters come in lighter but hey if the fighters are stupid enough to keep on doing it then so be it Roach is looking at whats best for his fighter and if they give in he will continue to do it.

If i was Cotto i would have never agreed to fight at 145lb especailly after seeing what happened to DLH.
provo
I had pac winning in 10 ,now after seeing cotto in that pic I say pac in 6! Cotto looks sick , he should have pulled a mayweather move and just come in comfortable fuk it and pay the fine , instead he's stupid and going 2 get his ass kicked !

BUT ALL BE GOING FOR COTTO LOL , Prove me wrong and Beat the shit out of pac LOL
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (kidbazooka1 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:47 PM) *
People are bashing Roach for making fighters come in lighter but hey if the fighters are stupid enough to keep on doing it then so be it Roach is looking at whats best for his fighter and if they give in he will continue to do it.

If i was Cotto i would have never agreed to fight at 145lb especailly after seeing what happened to DLH.


I agree it is stupid, but I am sure Cotto and his team were looking at the $ signs and doing anything to make the fight. He could end up like Oscar an regretting his decision.
kidbazooka1
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Nov 11 2009, 08:19 PM) *
I agree it is stupid, but I am sure Cotto and his team were looking at the $ signs and doing anything to make the fight. He could end up like Oscar an regretting his decision.


Im sure the money had a lot to do with it. But look at Floyd im no fan of the guy but he ain't no fool he knew that by trying to come in at 144lb would have given Marquez a better chance at winning but what mattered to him more was being at his best an winning. Now im not saying Cotto should do the same and not even try to make weigh but he shouldn't have taken it in the first place. In the long run the win might do him better both for his legacy and his pockets.
Keith
I dont see him as drained in that photo. He looks the same as he does with Margarito. Cotto was fighting at 140 just 3 years ago. I cant see as how 145 would "drain" him substantially. This isnt DLH fighting at 154/160 for 8-9 years and going all the way back down to 147 for Pac. This isnt even close to that. I think your all making way too much of the 145 catchweight. For crying out loud, he freaking weighed 146 for Clottey!
streetlion1
This "drained" thing is stupid. He is no drained ODLH....Cotto is in his prime...and again if you are paying attention to the 24/7 series he looks IMO to be in the best shape he's been in. I think Pacman is picking the wrong guy to be his hopefull set up fight against Gayweather. Cotto has been in there with the better stronger fighters......Clottey beats Pacman.....Mosley beats Pacman.....I like Manny but I think all the hype and the two performances against walk-through opponents are blinding people to what his skill set really is.

He struggled greatly with Marquez and is still the same fighter....once you land some big shots to get him a bit more tentative and start backing up a bit the fight changes. He cant counter-punch....I see Cotto controlling the fight after round 2.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Nov 11 2009, 07:19 PM) *
I agree it is stupid, but I am sure Cotto and his team were looking at the $ signs and doing anything to make the fight. He could end up like Oscar an regretting his decision.


one thing lightsout.. cotto is younger and fresher than hoya... weight will not be an issue in this fight.. even if cotto was a little drained, which im with ceo on this one i think its just a bad pic of him, by time fight time gets here he will be re-hydrated, hard rested and ready to go... i can hear roach now saying cotto was too big but they wanted to push themselves maybe pac is better suited at 140 lada dada dada... its coming... cotto is not gonna be denied in this fight... if he loses to pac his career is over... he wont lose to pac...

by the way i think im the only poster without a sig bet.. if anyone wants some let ceo know... my pick since day 1 strong has been cotto...
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (streetlion1 @ Nov 11 2009, 09:34 PM) *
This "drained" thing is stupid. He is no drained ODLH....Cotto is in his prime...and again if you are paying attention to the 24/7 series he looks IMO to be in the best shape he's been in. I think Pacman is picking the wrong guy to be his hopefull set up fight against Gayweather. Cotto has been in there with the better stronger fighters......Clottey beats Pacman.....Mosley beats Pacman.....I like Manny but I think all the hype and the two performances against walk-through opponents are blinding people to what his skill set really is.

He struggled greatly with Marquez and is still the same fighter....once you land some big shots to get him a bit more tentative and start backing up a bit the fight changes. He cant counter-punch....I see Cotto controlling the fight after round 2.


i was shocked pacs people gambled with the money the mayweather fight would generate with this fight.... no matter what happens or if pac actually wins this fight till the end of the fight he will be in danger....
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Nov 11 2009, 11:23 PM) *
one thing lightsout.. cotto is younger and fresher than hoya... weight will not be an issue in this fight.. even if cotto was a little drained, which im with ceo on this one i think its just a bad pic of him, by time fight time gets here he will be re-hydrated, hard rested and ready to go... i can hear roach now saying cotto was too big but they wanted to push themselves maybe pac is better suited at 140 lada dada dada... its coming... cotto is not gonna be denied in this fight... if he loses to pac his career is over... he wont lose to pac...


No doubt, I agree with you about the weight issue. In my first post I stated I think Cotto will be fine by fight night and replenished. NO WAY will he be like Oscar. BUT I still think it was stupid to conceive the weight issue to that cockROACH, and by slim chance if the weight loss(which is minimal) does affect his performance he will then regret his decision.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Keith @ Nov 11 2009, 09:23 PM) *
I dont see him as drained in that photo. He looks the same as he does with Margarito. Cotto was fighting at 140 just 3 years ago. I cant see as how 145 would "drain" him substantially. This isnt DLH fighting at 154/160 for 8-9 years and going all the way back down to 147 for Pac. This isnt even close to that. I think your all making way too much of the 145 catchweight. For crying out loud, he freaking weighed 146 for Clottey!

3 years or even 1 or 2 years can be huge for a fighter and his body weight..If he was 140 3 years ago and hasn't been at that weight since,it'd be brutal getting back to that..His body has grown into a welterweight and can no longer keep his strength and energy if he was 140..Corrales was fooled by Mayweather to go back to 130 after he said he couldn't make that weight anymore..Corrales wanted Mayweather his whole career though and he and Mayweather were the 130 division and everyone was waiting on them to fight to find out who the best was at 130..2 lbs can make a difference but lets hope not in this case..It all depends on how much he weighed before coming into camp and how his weight was shed(fast or slow)..I heard his camp said the weight came off at a good rate and he primed when he should have in camp..Lets hope they both are 100%..
Douchebag
Cotto is going to put them thangs on that little lumpia eater.
Method
QUOTE
He doesn't look as drained as my balls are gonna be after I get done nutting on Eugene after this fight. - Rusty


Laughed my fucking ass off
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Cotto has been in there with the better stronger fighters......Clottey beats Pacman.....Mosley beats Pacman.....I like Manny but I think all the hype and the two performances against walk-through opponents are blinding people to what his skill set really is.


You could throw Margarito in there as tearing Manny a new asshole too.
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Nov 11 2009, 11:31 AM) *
Your sig is getting raped, bitch!

You're not gonna like life come November 15 my friend.
Keith
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Nov 12 2009, 02:39 AM) *
3 years or even 1 or 2 years can be huge for a fighter and his body weight..If he was 140 3 years ago and hasn't been at that weight since,it'd be brutal getting back to that..His body has grown into a welterweight and can no longer keep his strength and energy if he was 140..Corrales was fooled by Mayweather to go back to 130 after he said he couldn't make that weight anymore..Corrales wanted Mayweather his whole career though and he and Mayweather were the 130 division and everyone was waiting on them to fight to find out who the best was at 130..2 lbs can make a difference but lets hope not in this case..It all depends on how much he weighed before coming into camp and how his weight was shed(fast or slow)..I heard his camp said the weight came off at a good rate and he primed when he should have in camp..Lets hope they both are 100%..


I understand the point and agree that it may be an "advantage" for Pac that Cotto cant weigh 147. But people have been using the word "drained" as though this is the same scenario as DLH, when its clearly not even close. The point being that 1 lbs is not going to be the deciding factor in the fight. Because its only 1-2 lbs, I think you can easily make the argument that Cotto is at an advantage because he has Pac fighting in unchartered territory... a prime skilled welter.
Method
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He should maybe take baby steps and go back down to 140 and let the big boys play.
I can sometimes understand catch weights for Hopkins-Pavlik where they meet some where in the middle because they are 2 separate divisions apart at the time, or someone can't make weight. But Pacquiao already has fought at 147, he has tested the waters and he should have let the champion weigh in as heavy as he likes to the 147 standard.


Couldnt agree more.
Keith
QUOTE (Fitz @ Nov 12 2009, 06:53 PM) *
I see what you are saying but I disagree with this. We have weight classes for a reason, if Pacquiao doesn't think he can fight welters who come in healthy, what does that tell you? He should maybe take baby steps and go back down to 140 and let the big boys play.
I can sometimes understand catch weights for Hopkins-Pavlik where they meet some where in the middle because they are 2 separate divisions apart at the time, or someone can't make weight. But Pacquiao already has fought at 147, he has tested the waters and he should have let the champion weigh in as heavy as he likes to the 147 standard.


I agree with all of this 100%. I am not a fan of the catchweight and think its bullshit. I just dont think it matters as far determining the outcome. The same fighter would win at 145 as 147 in this case.
mexi-cutioner
The whole catchweight ordeal is mind games by Freddie Roach. By taking the fight, Cotto knows he's going to have to train that much harder for fear of not making 145pounds come fight night and risk paying the fines (i believe it was 1million every pound above 145). The whole catchweight and fines associated with the catchweight is just added concern to Team Cotto and Roach hopes that Cotto WILL overtrain and drain coming into the fight...like most trainers he's looking for every advantage his fighter can get
salvador
QUOTE (Fitz @ Nov 12 2009, 10:58 PM) *
Well I hope it doesn't, but I feel the Pacquiao camp believe otherwise, because if they didn't they would have just left it at 147. Especially that Pacquiao has fought at 147 before.


I totally agree. Pac's camp was willing to concede some money in exchange for the catchweight for a reason. It's a chickenshit move.
caneman
Does it mean anything that WW is from 141 to 147 & plus how is it that big of a deal when Cotto weighed in @ 145 for his last fight? This fight comes down to weather or not Cotto is too big & powerful for Pacman or is Pacman just too fast & powerful enough for Cotto! While I tend to agree that it should have went down @ 147, Cotto signed cause he wanted the BIG money superfight, he cried after it was signed & now some of his fans are bitching! Oh yea, for the record, I don't think Pacman should be fighting above 140 but I do admit he looks fine @ that weight! Still, Pacman by 7th round TKO with both guys bleeding in a FOTY type fight! Pacman has balls taking this fight & not a coward for making it @ 145 which is a WW weight class!
torvix2000
Pacquiao fans are not allowed to worry about Pac possibly biting more than he could chew by not fighting at his best weight class.

WHILE

Cotto's fans are allowed to.

LOL! 100x!
torvix2000
Both Cotto and Pacquiao are giving the fans the realization of a mythical matchup. And people should be satisfied.

Pac is at a disadvantage at 147. Cotto is at a disadvantage at 140.

But do you want to see them fight? If not, then getta hell outta here.

YES? At what weight? 147? LOL! Back to the same problems. 140? LOL! Same problems. How about in between? 146? No way, that's Cotto's last weight.
jlupi
I really dont think weighing 1 lb less than his last fight will effect this fight. If I considered this a true title fight Id have a little more of a problem with the challenger dictating to the champ. However sometimes the magnatude of the fight trumps wisdom. Chavez - whiticker was at a catchweight
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