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Nay_Sayer
I've been to several boxing related websites this morning and they all [except for fighthype] seem to be riding on Pacquiao's nut-sack as if he were the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Not that I don't think his last 4 fights have been impressive. Certainly they have.

However, let's not get carried away here. In all honestly, Pacquiao has been able to capitalize very well on some good match making.

Out of his last four victims, three were coming off loses [two by KO] in their last big fight. And of the fourth, David Diaz, his only noteworthy win was over an ole' blownup Erik Morales who was comming off two KO loses.

In other words, Pacquiao hasn't been beating world beaters. He been beating guys who had already been beaten up or hadn't beaten anyone.
Douchebag
I give him credit for putting in the work on his part. That's where I will leave it.
JD
I always enjoy when people pick a guy to lose a fight...and when he dominates, suddenly the win is the product of good matchmaking and not worth getting excited over.

Cotto beat a very tough Joshua Clottey in his previous big fight, and on the strength of that win, more than a few saw him as having the ability to handle Pacquiao.
Spyder
The Cotto pickers just don't like being reminded of how dumb their pick was... lol
streetlion1
I dont feel Cotto was a dumb pick...I just feel he didnt come in properly prepared and his trainer sucks....I would be interested in seeing a rematch with Evangelista in his corner or a big name like Beristain.


Pacman answered the questions I had about him being able to take a strong welters punch...I think right now that he is the best P4P but im not exactly ready to crown him yet. That was one top welter...who he made come down 2 pounds...he still needs to prove himself more as a welter IMO because the Marquez fights are still fresh in my mind. I think Hatton sucks and have always thought he sucked so I didnt think much of that win at 140. DLH was too old and drained..not prepared.

I like Pacquiao but I think he gets out classed against Mayweather and would definitely get KTFO against Mosley. I think Clottey would give him trouble too. Either way he is one of my favorite fighters because of the way he conducts himself and the way he fights in the ring....and thats what I think alot of this Pacman hype is....people are more quick to crown someone when they are likable....he is far from "The Greatest Ever" but he is a good and exciting fighter!
Nay_Sayer
QUOTE (JD @ Nov 25 2009, 11:19 AM) *
I always enjoy when people pick a guy to lose a fight...and when he dominates, suddenly the win is the product of good matchmaking and not worth getting excited over.

Cotto beat a very tough Joshua Clottey in his previous big fight, and on the strength of that win, more than a few saw him as having the ability to handle Pacquiao.

What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.
Spyder
QUOTE (streetlion1 @ Nov 25 2009, 01:01 PM) *
I dont feel Cotto was a dumb pick...I just feel he didnt come in properly prepared and his trainer sucks....I would be interested in seeing a rematch with Evangelista in his corner or a big name like Beristain.

I was just kidding...it wasn't a dumb pick, but it was a wishful pick.

There were a lot of people picking Cotto with the hope that Pac wasn't as good as people say he is. The trainer thing was a red flag for me from the beginning, but after the fight, I don't think that really made a difference.

Pac out "fought" Cotto. He went right at Cotto's strength, and beat Miguel at his own game. There's not a trainer on the planet that could've helped Cotto withstand the on-slaught.

That said, I still pick Mayweather to out-box Manny.
Spyder
QUOTE (Nay_Sayer @ Nov 25 2009, 01:02 PM) *
What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.

Yet, you STILL picked the retreater?

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Nay_Sayer
QUOTE (Spyder @ Nov 25 2009, 12:20 PM) *
Yet, you STILL picked the retreater?

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Well, yeah.

It's not like Mosley, Margarito, and Clottey are feather fisted Welters. They're not. Those guys have heavy hands and I had no idea that Pacquiao would be able to bring his power up to 147...
Douchebag
QUOTE (Spyder @ Nov 25 2009, 01:18 PM) *
I was just kidding...it wasn't a dumb pick, but it was a wishful pick.

There were a lot of people picking Cotto with the hope that Pac wasn't as good as people say he is. The trainer thing was a red flag for me from the beginning, but after the fight, I don't think that really made a difference.

Pac out "fought" Cotto. He went right at Cotto's strength, and beat Miguel at his own game. There's not a trainer on the planet that could've helped Cotto withstand the on-slaught.

That said, I still pick Mayweather to out-box Manny.



I don't agree. I think Cotto could have done a lot of things differently in that fight. He tried to bulldoze Manny and paid for it. If he had shown him the same respect he Mosley I think the fight would have played out differently.
Spyder
QUOTE (Nay_Sayer @ Nov 25 2009, 01:28 PM) *
Well, yeah.

It's not like Mosley, Margarito, and Clottey are feather fisted Welters. They're not. Those guys have heavy hands and I had no idea that Pacquiao would be able to bring his power up to 147...

We already saw that he had enough pop to get Oscar's attention, did you think that after filling into that weight that he'd lose power?

QUOTE (The Conscience @ Nov 25 2009, 01:33 PM) *
I don't agree. I think Cotto could have done a lot of things differently in that fight. He tried to bulldoze Manny and paid for it. If he had shown him the same respect he Mosley I think the fight would have played out differently.

Naw, he's not fast enough to keep Manny off of him. Cotto's only shot was to beat Pac up...you have to go forward to do that.

Fighting off of the back foot would not have worked for Cotto.
JD
QUOTE (Nay_Sayer @ Nov 25 2009, 01:02 PM) *
What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.


Obviously not something as good as you have...because I picked Pacquiao by Christmas Tree style lighting...annnnnnnnnd you picked Cotto.
Nay_Sayer
QUOTE (Spyder @ Nov 25 2009, 12:46 PM) *
We already saw that he had enough pop to get Oscar's attention, did you think that after filling into that weight that he'd lose power?

Oscar weighed 145lbs for that fight.

'Nuff said...
Nay_Sayer
QUOTE (JD @ Nov 25 2009, 01:07 PM) *
Obviously not something as good as you have...because I picked Pacquiao by Christmas Tree style lighting...annnnnnnnnd you picked Cotto.

lol...

Ok, so you were right THIS time....
Douchebag
QUOTE (Spyder @ Nov 25 2009, 01:46 PM) *
We already saw that he had enough pop to get Oscar's attention, did you think that after filling into that weight that he'd lose power?


Naw, he's not fast enough to keep Manny off of him. Cotto's only shot was to beat Pac up...you have to go forward to do that.

Fighting off of the back foot would not have worked for Cotto.



Cotto could have did that but he got careless thinking he was just going walk through Manny's shots early. Cotto could have broken Manny down if he had stayed within himself and fought at a measured pace earl. He fucked by openning up and trying to exchange with the faster man. Cotto had to slow the pace of the fight down by sticking to his jab, working the body and getting out of there until later in the fight. But whatever your convinced that he couldn't do it, I just don't agree.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE (JD @ Nov 25 2009, 12:19 PM) *
I always enjoy when people pick a guy to lose a fight...and when he dominates, suddenly the win is the product of good matchmaking and not worth getting excited over.

Cotto beat a very tough Joshua Clottey in his previous big fight, and on the strength of that win, more than a few saw him as having the ability to handle Pacquiao.

Seriously, this happens all the time. If Cotto was so over-matched and hasn't done anything why did you geniuses pick him?
rusty_trombone
QUOTE (Spyder @ Nov 25 2009, 01:46 PM) *
Naw, he's not fast enough to keep Manny off of him. Cotto's only shot was to beat Pac up...you have to go forward to do that.

Fighting off of the back foot would not have worked for Cotto.

Exactly, I always thought Cotto's feet and movement were way to slow and predictable for Manny.

Pacquiao is just plain better than Cotto, and he proved it in the ring. This was no "good matchmaking" fight, Cotto was a legit challenger and Pac just fucked him up.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Nov 25 2009, 02:50 PM) *
Cotto could have did that but he got careless thinking he was just going walk through Manny's shots early. Cotto could have broken Manny down if he had stayed within himself and fought at a measured pace earl. He fucked by openning up and trying to exchange with the faster man. Cotto had to slow the pace of the fight down by sticking to his jab, working the body and getting out of there until later in the fight. But whatever your convinced that he couldn't do it, I just don't agree.

Whether he could do it or not is irrelevant, fact of the matter is that he didn't do it, for whatever reason. That makes him an inferior fighter to Manny, I mean the ass whooping he took should clue you in that Manny is better.
JD
QUOTE (Nay_Sayer @ Nov 25 2009, 02:25 PM) *
lol...

Ok, so you were right THIS time....


Yes...just THIS time.
AussieLad
I picked cotto.

I was wrong.

Full credit to Manny. He took a risky fight, a fight that many thought he would lose, and he whipped cotto's ass.

I cant see how anyone could pick cotto to win, then shit on pac after he shuts your mouth
ROLL DEEP
QUOTE (rusty_trombone @ Nov 25 2009, 04:09 PM) *
Cotto was a legit challenger and Pac just fucked him up.


Agreed.

QUOTE (AussieLad @ Nov 25 2009, 05:34 PM) *
Full credit to Manny. He took a risky fight, a fight that many thought he would lose, and he whipped cotto's ass.



And agreed.
Mean Mister Mustard
Cotto came into this fight in fantastic condition and Pacquiao busted him up in the late rounds. That was impressive.

Also, look at Pacquiao's face after the fight, he was marked up a bit so it wasn't like Cotto was too weak in there to hurt him.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE (Mean Mister Mustard @ Nov 25 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Cotto came into this fight in fantastic condition and Pacquiao busted him up in the late rounds. That was impressive.

Also, look at Pacquiao's face after the fight, he was marked up a bit so it wasn't like Cotto was too weak in there to hurt him.

yeah, his eardrum was busted, the dude is just a beast.
Douchebag
QUOTE (rusty_trombone @ Nov 25 2009, 03:11 PM) *
Whether he could do it or not is irrelevant, fact of the matter is that he didn't do it, for whatever reason. That makes him an inferior fighter to Manny, I mean the ass whooping he took should clue you in that Manny is better.



Actually, it was relevant to the post what Spyder posted, but you're right Cotto was inferior to Manny that night, but IMO he could have done leaps better in that fight. That is all.
D-MARV
I certainly give Pacquiao ALL the credit in the world for his recent performances... Before the Cotto fight, Manny was being labled "God" for doing the same things Mayweather did 2 years prior. That is and has always been my beef with people. One man is called Great while the other is called a fraud. LOL...

Anyways, I saw this Cotto fight coming a mile away! The only shocking thing was that Cotto lasted 11 rounds. I think when and IF Pacquiao fights Mayweather, it will become clear that Pacquiao was indeed matched with the proper opponents. I keep going back and forth on how competitive that fight would be and as of now, I see Mayweather handling Pacquaio fairly easy. The sad thing is that if Pacquaio wins he will go down as top 5 by many posters on this board but if Mayweather wins, he will still be labled a fraud! LOL.
AussieLad
In my opinion the only fighter at welter currently that can beat mayweather is mosely. This is the only fight i would rank ahead of pac vs may.

That being said, floyd has avoided certain fighters and carefully picked opponents. He probably would have easily beaten the guys i think he has avoided, but it still doesnt change the fact that he avoided them foreasier fights. And for that, the criticism is justifiable

I think if pac were a little taller, and had equal reach with mayweather, that he would have a very good chance at winning. But he doesnt, so he wont.
Keith
Pac is great. Nuff said. I thought DLH would give him more trouble even having drained himself. I didnt think he would beat Hatton in 2 rounds. Looking at the state of my sig... I didnt think he would beat Cotto. He is gifted but he is not unbeatable at 147. Judging by the state of his face and the busted eardrum after the Cotto fight, it isnt terribly difficult to hit him.
jlupi
I think what he did was very impressive and should not be minimized. and Nay if you dont get rid of those klit pics I will not be able to read your posts any more. If someone comes by my desk they will think Im looking at gay porn
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (jlupi @ Nov 25 2009, 05:39 PM) *
I think what he did was very impressive and should not be minimized. and Nay if you dont get rid of those klit pics I will not be able to read your posts any more. If someone comes by my desk they will think Im looking at gay porn


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rusty_trombone
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Nov 25 2009, 05:10 PM) *
Actually, it was relevant to the post what Spyder posted, but you're right Cotto was inferior to Manny that night, but IMO he could have done leaps better in that fight. That is all.

So if they were to rematch, do you think Cotto would beat him?
Douchebag
QUOTE (rusty_trombone @ Nov 25 2009, 06:22 PM) *
So if they were to rematch, do you think Cotto would beat him?



not right now, but if he got a different trainner and refocuses I think he would do a lot better.
Nay_Sayer
QUOTE (jlupi @ Nov 25 2009, 04:39 PM) *
and Nay if you dont get rid of those klit pics I will not be able to read your posts any more. If someone comes by my desk they will think Im looking at gay porn


lol

Sorry but there's nothing I can do for two more weeks. Lost a sig bet on the Pac/Cotto fight...
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE (rusty_trombone @ Nov 25 2009, 04:09 PM) *
This was no "good matchmaking" fight, Cotto was a legit challenger and Pac just fucked him up.

Exactly.


QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 25 2009, 11:43 PM) *
PBF by TKO in 6 or less.

I'd say you were fucking nuts making that pick, but I doubt you seriously believe it.
mexi-cutioner
QUOTE (Fitz @ Nov 26 2009, 02:02 PM) *
It was good match making, but not to say it wasn't a good win. I think it was Manny's best win in his career. But the only reason I thought it was good match making was because when Pacquiao was looking for an opponent. Mosley stepped up and said he would come down to 140, they chose Cotto, they made him come down to fight at a catch weight even though Mosley offered to come down to 140 and Roach mentioned before the fight that Cotto was damaged. Cotto was a good win, but you must consider that there was some sort of match making when they had Mosley and Cotto as options, Mosley was willing to come to 140. They chose Cotto.


At the end of the day, Manny beating Cotto at 145 loooks and is a hell of a lot better than Manny beating Mosley coming down to 140. I think they made the right decision.
AussieLad
QUOTE (Fitz @ Nov 26 2009, 11:02 PM) *
It was good match making, but not to say it wasn't a good win. I think it was Manny's best win in his career. But the only reason I thought it was good match making was because when Pacquiao was looking for an opponent. Mosley stepped up and said he would come down to 140, they chose Cotto, they made him come down to fight at a catch weight even though Mosley offered to come down to 140 and Roach mentioned before the fight that Cotto was damaged. Cotto was a good win, but you must consider that there was some sort of match making when they had Mosley and Cotto as options, Mosley was willing to come to 140. They chose Cotto.



Coming down to 140 would have ruined mosely at this stage of his career. He wouldve been shot for that fight, and at his age that weight drain probably wouldve ruined him for future fighst as well
Snoop
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Nov 27 2009, 08:59 AM) *
Coming down to 140 would have ruined mosely at this stage of his career. He wouldve been shot for that fight, and at his age that weight drain probably wouldve ruined him for future fighst as well

Yet they still chose Cotto 5lbs heavier. Stylistically Cotto was still the easier match between the two.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (Nay_Sayer @ Nov 25 2009, 06:02 PM) *
What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.


Don't strain yourself too hard just read the parts in bold.


2009-06-13 146 Joshua Clottey 147 35-2-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States W SD 12 12
~ referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | judge: Don Trella 116-111 | judge: John McKaie 115-112 | judge: Tom Miller 113-114 ~
~ WBO welterweight title ~
Clottey down in round one. Cotto cut towards the end of round three above the left eye caused by an accidental headbutt.



2007-11-10 146 Shane Mosley 146 44-4-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States W UD 12 12
~ referee: Benjy Esteves Jr. | judge: Glenn Feldman 115-113 | judge: Wynn Kintz 116-113 | judge: Peter Trematerra 115-113 ~
~ WBA World welterweight title ~

torvix2000
QUOTE (Snoop @ Nov 27 2009, 10:44 AM) *
Yet they still chose Cotto 5lbs heavier. Stylistically Cotto was still the easier match between the two.


LOL! So you think Roach chose a 145-lb Cotto over a 140-lb Mosley because you thingk a 140-lb Mosley will beat Pac but not a 145-lb Cotto? Getta hell outta here.
torvix2000
So, who among you guys think that a 140-lb Mosley will do better than a 145-lb Cotto?
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 26 2009, 04:53 PM) *
I'll take that as a compliment. Not the first or last time I'll be called f'n nuts. Yes, I do believe what I'm saying. My last name aint Roach. But I am also not egotistical enough to think that it is impossible for Pacman to win. It is just highly unlikely. Pac's pressure will lead to his undoing.

By the way, Cotto fought a MUCH better fight than I expected. I figured Manny would stop him within 5. I wasn't even going to bother to watch the fight, but my bro convinced me to do it. I was wrong. the fight was essentially over after 5 but Cotto managed to stick around to take a severe beating. I didn't bother to pay for Pac v DLH or Pac v Hatton because it was too obvious what the outcomes would be.

The only reason I watched Marquez v Mayweather live is that I honestly thought that Marquez had a chance because of Floyd's layoff. When Floyd literally toyed with him like a cat with a mouse, choosing not to put him out of his misery, it occurred to me that this whole thing has been part of PBF's master plan. Pacman is a greater threat than Marquez. PBF won't be playing cat and mouse this time. It will be more like spider and fly. Maybe as much as spider v yellow jacket. Yellow jackets can sting and bite and kick.


Honestly Smarty this is where your apparent knowledge of boxing gets showed up.

Let me get this straight. You thought Pac Vs. DLH/Fatton was easy to pick but you gave Marquez a shot in his fight with PBF? You ARE fucking nuts no doubt.

I consider this the most knowlegable board in boxing (guys with far more knowledge than me) and sure we get things wrong from time to time, but if you scroll back you'll see that PBF/JMM was the most overwhelmingly picked fight of the year.

No one but the galatically challenged gave JMM a chance in that fight. Most of us thought it was a disgrace of a fight to begin with. But you saw it as potentially competitive?

Wow I bet you were amazed when your hero PBF came through the way he did beating up a piss drinking midget. What a feat!
Keith
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 27 2009, 07:47 AM) *
#1. PBF is not my hero. #2. I could give a fuck how much you suck the "guys with far more knowledge than me" off. #3. I could give a fuck whether you get things right or wrong. #4. NO SHIT the PBF v Marquez fight "was the most overwhelmingly picked fight of the year." Was that supposed to be a news flash, brain surgeon? #5. When I say I gave him a chance, I meant it might be interesting given PBF's layoff. IOW very little chance. #6. You mean the "piss drinking midget" that confounded and pounded Pacman for 24 rounds? I apologized to you once for getting personal last night, when I was a bit inebriated. You are a fucking disrespectful piece of feces for describing a great fighter like Marquez that way. #7. As a result, why would I give a gnats ass what you think? I'll answer that for you; I do not. #8. I was right. I said that I have been called fucking nuts before and that I would again. And, yes, I do consider it a compliment coming from a feces eating moron like you. #10. I have never touted "my apparent knowledge of boxing" here or anywhere. I have opinions. That's it. #11. PBF by TKO in 6 or less.

A bit of advice; try using those two things on the end of your arms for something besides playing with that trout bait between your legs-like pulling that void with ears out of your sphincter.

Have a nice day.


If you didnt care what he thought.... Why would you respond and create an 11 point paragraph?

Did Marquez drink piss or not? Anyone who drinks piss on camera and seems to be proud of it deserves to be ridiculed. Dont get emotional about it.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 27 2009, 07:47 AM) *
#1. PBF is not my hero. #2. I could give a fuck how much you suck the "guys with far more knowledge than me" off. #3. I could give a fuck whether you get things right or wrong. #4. NO SHIT the PBF v Marquez fight "was the most overwhelmingly picked fight of the year." Was that supposed to be a news flash, brain surgeon? #5. When I say I gave him a chance, I meant it might be interesting given PBF's layoff. IOW very little chance. #6. You mean the "piss drinking midget" that confounded and pounded Pacman for 24 rounds? I apologized to you once for getting personal last night, when I was a bit inebriated. You are a fucking disrespectful piece of feces for describing a great fighter like Marquez that way. #7. As a result, why would I give a gnats ass what you think? I'll answer that for you; I do not. #8. I was right. I said that I have been called fucking nuts before and that I would again. And, yes, I do consider it a compliment coming from a feces eating moron like you. #10. I have never touted "my apparent knowledge of boxing" here or anywhere. I have opinions. That's it. #11. PBF by TKO in 6 or less.

A bit of advice; try using those two things on the end of your arms for something besides playing with that trout bait between your legs-like pulling that void with ears out of your sphincter.

Have a nice day.


Goodness still inebrieted are we?

Wow you're coming off like more and more of a douchebag.

Do you really think if PBF cpuldn't finish off JMM in 12 rounds he's gonna finish Manny in less than 6?

Boy are you dumb or do you just act like it?

Notice I don't say I don't think PBF won't win the fight ( I think he will) but to say he KO's Manny in 6 or less is even more nuts than some of your nutsier stuff (which is pretty nuts.)

If he couldn't pull the trigger against a piss drinking midget what do you think he wil do against Manny. It's just not in PBF's nature to get himself in the kill zone long enough to risk KO'ing a guy like Manny. PBF in a boring UD.

If it was such a non-event why did you watch it and not Manny Vs. the Other Guys? Seems to me they were all pretty much the same fights, unless................. you love guzzling Floyd's juices which you apparently do.

Back to the Woodstock's for you Smarty.

(Oh I'm owning you right now, and you've only got yourself to blame.)
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Keith @ Nov 27 2009, 09:04 AM) *
If you didnt care what he thought.... Why would you respond and create an 11 point paragraph?

Did Marquez drink piss or not? Anyone who drinks piss on camera and seems to be proud of it deserves to be ridiculed. Dont get emotional about it.


Hey hey Keith this dude took the time to create an 11 point paragraph about something he doesn't care about. That doesn't happen everyday OK? LOL

Have some goddamn respect. LOL

As for the piss drinking midget? Well he did drink piss and he is kinda small. Just calling it like a see it Smarmy Weirdo.
streetlion1
QUOTE (torvix2000 @ Nov 27 2009, 04:56 AM) *
So, who among you guys think that a 140-lb Mosley will do better than a 145-lb Cotto?

No way Shane should ever think about dropping to 140. I think Shane is a different and better fighter than Cotto but 140 at this point would be too far a drop. Im getting sick of coach Roach and his damn catchweights. There should be no more. Manny proved he can take a punch and is just as strong as the welters....his next fight should be at 147....at 147 Manny gets KTFO by mosley.
Keith
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 27 2009, 08:27 AM) *
To express my thoughts.

I did not see that. You mistake my opinion for emotion. And my opinion is that this has nothing to do with you. But have fun anyway.


I dont mean to be a dick but when you post a message on these threads it becomes everybodies business. OK?

And you dropped the F-bomb 4 times.... I can think of very few words that express more emotion then the F-Bomb. I'm not saying it bothers me, just that its ridiculous of you to claim that you werent getting emotional.

No lie dude, Marquez drank his own piss on camera and bragged about its nutritional value for training. He drank it everyday training for the PBF fight. So he is in fact a piss drinker.

Spyder
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Nov 25 2009, 06:27 PM) *
not right now, but if he got a different trainner and refocuses I think he would do a lot better.

I disagree. Pac knows that he can take Cotto's punches, and I think he'd start faster and finish him sooner in a rematch.

It was the wrong pick, man...you don't have to defend it, or rationalize that if the fight took place in a different dimension, with different players, and super powers...that the fight would end any different.

Pac was faster, more accurate, and just overall better than Cotto.
Douchebag
QUOTE (Spyder @ Nov 27 2009, 01:26 PM) *
I disagree. Pac knows that he can take Cotto's punches, and I think he'd start faster and finish him sooner in a rematch.

It was the wrong pick, man...you don't have to defend it, or rationalize that if the fight took place in a different dimension, with different players, and super powers...that the fight would end any different.

Pac was faster, more accurate, and just overall better than Cotto.



I will leave it that because at the end of the day Cotto lost the bout, but I still think he could won the fight.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 27 2009, 12:26 PM) *
I understand that everybody that has read this thread has had to suffer through this meaningless pissing match. I have not been participating long here but if you were to waste your time looking up all of my posts you would find that I have avoided the F-Bombs except in response to the last couple of attacks by Ollie. . . on a couple of threads. I do not regret finally responding to his attacks in kind and more. It is similar to being on the street with some punk continually talking feces to my wife, family or friends in my presence. I give them one chance to apologize and split by attacking them verbally with their own game. If that does not work I take them out. OllieOllieAuctionFree crossed the line. That is how it works on the street, whether in the UK, Italy, Paris, PI, SKorea, Mexico, Jamaica, Russia, West Oakland or outside Barney's BBQ Pit. I have survived to be an old dog with a snarl for a warning. Emotion has 0 to do with it.

I apologize to you and everyone else who reads those two comments, except OllieBitch.


I take it you've actually been to all these places? The barney's BBQ pit I can believe but the rest................................

Ha ha, this is a forum/message board you moron. Not some scene from West Side Story. LOL

STEVENSKI
QUOTE (the ollie reed fan club @ Nov 27 2009, 02:11 PM) *
Back to the Woodstock's for you Smarty.


LOL I will be one of 3 on here that get that but hey Woodies kicked Pavliks arse.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Nov 28 2009, 07:09 AM) *
And a few more, OllieGay. The question is whether or not you can get up off that couch without a winch?


Wow you must be some kind of tough. You ever thought about fighting before?
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