I always enjoy when people pick a guy to lose a fight...and when he dominates, suddenly the win is the product of good matchmaking and not worth getting excited over.

Cotto beat a very tough Joshua Clottey in his previous big fight, and on the strength of that win, more than a few saw him as having the ability to handle Pacquiao.

I dont feel Cotto was a dumb pick...I just feel he didnt come in properly prepared and his trainer sucks....I would be interested in seeing a rematch with Evangelista in his corner or a big name like Beristain.

What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.

Yet, you STILL picked the retreater?

I was just kidding...it wasn't a dumb pick, but it was a wishful pick.

There were a lot of people picking Cotto with the hope that Pac wasn't as good as people say he is. The trainer thing was a red flag for me from the beginning, but after the fight, I don't think that really made a difference.

Pac out "fought" Cotto. He went right at Cotto's strength, and beat Miguel at his own game. There's not a trainer on the planet that could've helped Cotto withstand the on-slaught.

That said, I still pick Mayweather to out-box Manny.

Well, yeah.

It's not like Mosley, Margarito, and Clottey are feather fisted Welters. They're not. Those guys have heavy hands and I had no idea that Pacquiao would be able to bring his power up to 147...

I don't agree. I think Cotto could have done a lot of things differently in that fight. He tried to bulldoze Manny and paid for it. If he had shown him the same respect he Mosley I think the fight would have played out differently.

What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.

We already saw that he had enough pop to get Oscar's attention, did you think that after filling into that weight that he'd lose power?

Obviously not something as good as you have...because I picked Pacquiao by Christmas Tree style lighting...annnnnnnnnd you picked Cotto.

We already saw that he had enough pop to get Oscar's attention, did you think that after filling into that weight that he'd lose power?


Naw, he's not fast enough to keep Manny off of him. Cotto's only shot was to beat Pac up...you have to go forward to do that.

Fighting off of the back foot would not have worked for Cotto.

I always enjoy when people pick a guy to lose a fight...and when he dominates, suddenly the win is the product of good matchmaking and not worth getting excited over.

Cotto beat a very tough Joshua Clottey in his previous big fight, and on the strength of that win, more than a few saw him as having the ability to handle Pacquiao.

Naw, he's not fast enough to keep Manny off of him. Cotto's only shot was to beat Pac up...you have to go forward to do that.

Fighting off of the back foot would not have worked for Cotto.

Cotto could have did that but he got careless thinking he was just going walk through Manny's shots early. Cotto could have broken Manny down if he had stayed within himself and fought at a measured pace earl. He fucked by openning up and trying to exchange with the faster man. Cotto had to slow the pace of the fight down by sticking to his jab, working the body and getting out of there until later in the fight. But whatever your convinced that he couldn't do it, I just don't agree.

lol...

Ok, so you were right THIS time....

Cotto was a legit challenger and Pac just fucked him up.

Full credit to Manny. He took a risky fight, a fight that many thought he would lose, and he whipped cotto's ass.

Cotto came into this fight in fantastic condition and Pacquiao busted him up in the late rounds. That was impressive.

Also, look at Pacquiao's face after the fight, he was marked up a bit so it wasn't like Cotto was too weak in there to hurt him.

Whether he could do it or not is irrelevant, fact of the matter is that he didn't do it, for whatever reason. That makes him an inferior fighter to Manny, I mean the ass whooping he took should clue you in that Manny is better.

I think what he did was very impressive and should not be minimized. and Nay if you dont get rid of those klit pics I will not be able to read your posts any more. If someone comes by my desk they will think Im looking at gay porn

Actually, it was relevant to the post what Spyder posted, but you're right Cotto was inferior to Manny that night, but IMO he could have done leaps better in that fight. That is all.

So if they were to rematch, do you think Cotto would beat him?

and Nay if you dont get rid of those klit pics I will not be able to read your posts any more. If someone comes by my desk they will think Im looking at gay porn

This was no "good matchmaking" fight, Cotto was a legit challenger and Pac just fucked him up.

PBF by TKO in 6 or less.

It was good match making, but not to say it wasn't a good win. I think it was Manny's best win in his career. But the only reason I thought it was good match making was because when Pacquiao was looking for an opponent. Mosley stepped up and said he would come down to 140, they chose Cotto, they made him come down to fight at a catch weight even though Mosley offered to come down to 140 and Roach mentioned before the fight that Cotto was damaged. Cotto was a good win, but you must consider that there was some sort of match making when they had Mosley and Cotto as options, Mosley was willing to come to 140. They chose Cotto.

It was good match making, but not to say it wasn't a good win. I think it was Manny's best win in his career. But the only reason I thought it was good match making was because when Pacquiao was looking for an opponent. Mosley stepped up and said he would come down to 140, they chose Cotto, they made him come down to fight at a catch weight even though Mosley offered to come down to 140 and Roach mentioned before the fight that Cotto was damaged. Cotto was a good win, but you must consider that there was some sort of match making when they had Mosley and Cotto as options, Mosley was willing to come to 140. They chose Cotto.

Coming down to 140 would have ruined mosely at this stage of his career. He wouldve been shot for that fight, and at his age that weight drain probably wouldve ruined him for future fighst as well

What have you been smoking?

Cotto hasn't "beaten" anyone lately. He got the decision over Clottey but even the HBO nut huggers thought that the decision could have gone Clottey's way. As I recall, just like in the Mosley fight, Cotto was in FULL retreat during the championship rounds.

Yet they still chose Cotto 5lbs heavier. Stylistically Cotto was still the easier match between the two.

I'll take that as a compliment. Not the first or last time I'll be called f'n nuts. Yes, I do believe what I'm saying. My last name aint Roach. But I am also not egotistical enough to think that it is impossible for Pacman to win. It is just highly unlikely. Pac's pressure will lead to his undoing.

By the way, Cotto fought a MUCH better fight than I expected. I figured Manny would stop him within 5. I wasn't even going to bother to watch the fight, but my bro convinced me to do it. I was wrong. the fight was essentially over after 5 but Cotto managed to stick around to take a severe beating. I didn't bother to pay for Pac v DLH or Pac v Hatton because it was too obvious what the outcomes would be.

The only reason I watched Marquez v Mayweather live is that I honestly thought that Marquez had a chance because of Floyd's layoff. When Floyd literally toyed with him like a cat with a mouse, choosing not to put him out of his misery, it occurred to me that this whole thing has been part of PBF's master plan. Pacman is a greater threat than Marquez. PBF won't be playing cat and mouse this time. It will be more like spider and fly. Maybe as much as spider v yellow jacket. Yellow jackets can sting and bite and kick.

#1. PBF is not my hero. #2. I could give a fuck how much you suck the "guys with far more knowledge than me" off. #3. I could give a fuck whether you get things right or wrong. #4. NO SHIT the PBF v Marquez fight "was the most overwhelmingly picked fight of the year." Was that supposed to be a news flash, brain surgeon? #5. When I say I gave him a chance, I meant it might be interesting given PBF's layoff. IOW very little chance. #6. You mean the "piss drinking midget" that confounded and pounded Pacman for 24 rounds? I apologized to you once for getting personal last night, when I was a bit inebriated. You are a fucking disrespectful piece of feces for describing a great fighter like Marquez that way. #7. As a result, why would I give a gnats ass what you think? I'll answer that for you; I do not. #8. I was right. I said that I have been called fucking nuts before and that I would again. And, yes, I do consider it a compliment coming from a feces eating moron like you. #10. I have never touted "my apparent knowledge of boxing" here or anywhere. I have opinions. That's it. #11. PBF by TKO in 6 or less.

A bit of advice; try using those two things on the end of your arms for something besides playing with that trout bait between your legs-like pulling that void with ears out of your sphincter.

Have a nice day.

#1. PBF is not my hero. #2. I could give a fuck how much you suck the "guys with far more knowledge than me" off. #3. I could give a fuck whether you get things right or wrong. #4. NO SHIT the PBF v Marquez fight "was the most overwhelmingly picked fight of the year." Was that supposed to be a news flash, brain surgeon? #5. When I say I gave him a chance, I meant it might be interesting given PBF's layoff. IOW very little chance. #6. You mean the "piss drinking midget" that confounded and pounded Pacman for 24 rounds? I apologized to you once for getting personal last night, when I was a bit inebriated. You are a fucking disrespectful piece of feces for describing a great fighter like Marquez that way. #7. As a result, why would I give a gnats ass what you think? I'll answer that for you; I do not. #8. I was right. I said that I have been called fucking nuts before and that I would again. And, yes, I do consider it a compliment coming from a feces eating moron like you. #10. I have never touted "my apparent knowledge of boxing" here or anywhere. I have opinions. That's it. #11. PBF by TKO in 6 or less.

A bit of advice; try using those two things on the end of your arms for something besides playing with that trout bait between your legs-like pulling that void with ears out of your sphincter.

Have a nice day.

If you didnt care what he thought.... Why would you respond and create an 11 point paragraph?

Did Marquez drink piss or not? Anyone who drinks piss on camera and seems to be proud of it deserves to be ridiculed. Dont get emotional about it.

So, who among you guys think that a 140-lb Mosley will do better than a 145-lb Cotto?

To express my thoughts.

I did not see that. You mistake my opinion for emotion. And my opinion is that this has nothing to do with you. But have fun anyway.

not right now, but if he got a different trainner and refocuses I think he would do a lot better.

I disagree. Pac knows that he can take Cotto's punches, and I think he'd start faster and finish him sooner in a rematch.

It was the wrong pick, man...you don't have to defend it, or rationalize that if the fight took place in a different dimension, with different players, and super powers...that the fight would end any different.

Pac was faster, more accurate, and just overall better than Cotto.

I understand that everybody that has read this thread has had to suffer through this meaningless pissing match. I have not been participating long here but if you were to waste your time looking up all of my posts you would find that I have avoided the F-Bombs except in response to the last couple of attacks by Ollie. . . on a couple of threads. I do not regret finally responding to his attacks in kind and more. It is similar to being on the street with some punk continually talking feces to my wife, family or friends in my presence. I give them one chance to apologize and split by attacking them verbally with their own game. If that does not work I take them out. OllieOllieAuctionFree crossed the line. That is how it works on the street, whether in the UK, Italy, Paris, PI, SKorea, Mexico, Jamaica, Russia, West Oakland or outside Barney's BBQ Pit. I have survived to be an old dog with a snarl for a warning. Emotion has 0 to do with it.

I apologize to you and everyone else who reads those two comments, except OllieBitch.

Back to the Woodstock's for you Smarty.

And a few more, OllieGay. The question is whether or not you can get up off that couch without a winch?