QUOTE (Warlord @ Jan 6 2010, 01:39 AM)
First off, to hell with all the "true talent" bullshit. You don't fucking luck your way into a go-go plata. It takes true talent to compete at a high level of ANY sport or quasi-sport. Boxers couldn't go into NASCAR and compete anymore than NASCAR drivers could go into boxing. That being said...
1.) I love James Toney, and feel confident in saying he would KO any MMA fighter in the world today in a 12 round boxing match. I don't think there is one MMA fighter who could even go the distance with Toney.
2.) I love James Toney. Again, one of my all-time favorites. But he doesn't make it out of the 1st round with any legit MMA fighter, assuming they fight like an MMA fighter and not a boxer. Which, of course, there is no guaranatee for, since, as we know, fighters are occassionally "politely asked" to defer their ground-games in favor of a stand-up war when highly-marketable, quasi-skilled athletes/celebrities are their opponent. (Kimbo Slice, Cung Le.)
I agree 100%. This is the problem with the UFC forum here, to many people dont really respect the sport. Boxing has been my first love as a sport for the past 20 years. MMA is right behind. MMA I can watch all the time because almost all the matches are great, but I cant really get excited for all the boxing matches. There are really a handful of GREAT boxing matches throughout the year.
Anyway...About respecting the sport of MMA. Yes, MMA fighters are not as good at boxing as a professional boxer. They dont spend their whole training camp boxing. MMA fighters have to know how to box, kickbox, wrestle, take down, jiu-jitsu, etc. And they have to know the offense and defense of both of these.
I can pretty much guarantee that MMA fighters train harder and more often then boxers. MMA fighters are probably in the gym training all year round honing their skills in the many different forms of martial arts necessary to compete in their sport. They dont just stay in shape then train during training camp like most boxers do. I am not saying that all boxers train this way, but the majority of them do.
I am 31 years old, I started taking Korean Karate classes when I was 11. My teacher has traveled the world learning many different forms of martial arts. My style was influenced by Korean Karate, Boxing, Kickboxing, Savate (French Kickboxing) Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I have also trained with some BJJ greats (Rigan Machado, Francisco Mansor and others). This is the perfect circle in order to defend yourself in all types of street fighting situations. You never know if you are going to trip and fall in a fight, or get taken to the ground, you have to be prepared for everything. That is why I love MMA, it is in my opinion the perfect circle.
A boxer like James Toney is great, one of the best boxers of all time. Personally one of my favorite since I love the sweet science rather than just thugs in the ring. Watching RJJ in his prime was great. Fighters like Bernard Hopkins and James Toney just amaze me with their defensive wizardry. I love watching the clip of James Toney sticking his tounge out at evander while he is punching at him. Even though that is disrespectful to evander, it just shows how great toney is at rolling and moving in the ring.
To think that James Toney can just walk into the Octagan, into another mans sport and dominate is crazy talk. These guys have been training for years at this. Now maybe James has other skills we dont know about, he talks about his dad fighting in some form of MMA, so maybe he does know more than just boxing. But if he plans on just learning it now, I dont expect him to compete to well in MMA. Yeah, he could box circles around everyone, but this isnt boxing. What is gonna happen when someone starts kicking his legs, or throwing head kicks. What is gonna happen when they shoot in and take him to the ground. That boxing isnt going to do him any good when he is laying on his back. Not if..But when he gets taken to the ground he will be tapped out in a matter of seconds.
And to think James Toney wants to with the UFC heavyweight title, that is ludicris. Could you see him in the ring with a Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir, C'mon.
What I dont understand is why James wants to fight in the UFC to begin with. He isn't going to get the type of money he can get in the the boxing ring, so why is he going to do it? That is my question.