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Douchebag
So I started trainning this week for the All Guard combatives tournament at the end of March. I plan to compete at 185 so I have to cut 20 pounds before the weigh ins in order to compete in the devision that I want. The fights in the tournament are set up for three rounds with the first round being strictly grappling/BJJ stuff, the second round being Pancrase rules (open hand strikes to the head, punches to the body and grappling), the last round being strikes with head gear and 10 ounce gloves.

I've switched up my diet, am now eating 6 times a day, taking in about 2500-3000 calories a day.

I'm basically doing the P90X program in the mornings, running 3 times per week (2-3 miles at a time) and alternating between going BJJ classes and going to the boxing gym at night.

I was hoping I could get some suggestions and tips on trainning for a tournament like this and cutting the weight that I need. Peace!

ROLL DEEP
First off, nice work competing in an event like that.


What's the P90X program?



Sounds like you're pretty much doing everything you need to. Lots of protein to repair, water to flush out toxins, mix up the sprints and long distance running to help recovery time inbetween rounds/fights.

Do you do weights cirucits? They're real good for jacking the heart rate up for anerobic fitness and adding strength. I know there's always dispute about whether boxers should use weights (I think they're good), but as you'll be grappling too, it might be an idea?

KookedKrack
Good luck on your fight.......post vids of it if you can.

You should be fine if you keep the pace your going at the last few pounds will probably be the roughest.
JonnyBlaze
I suggest to run the way that Ray Robinson and Joe Louis did..They would start out by walking,then jogging,then a sprint,then back to a jog,then a walk..Keep repeating this till the run is over..I walk for 30 seconds to a minute,then jog for a minute and a half to 2 minutes then sprint for 30 seconds to a minute..Also,mix in a slow jog while going backwards,shadow boxing, and side to sides..

I don't ever lift weights anymore so I don't suggest using weights but if you must,only light weights,nothing heavy..Weight training was something that Holyfield did to be able to become a heavyweight since his body was naturally a cruiserweight..

Eat a lot of fish and eat oatmeal..

You should be able to lose 20 lbs by the end of March..For me though,I hang around my weight all the time by 5-10 lbs at most..Normally I weigh 205 and I'll be fighting at 200..
Douchebag
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Jan 14 2010, 08:48 PM) *
I suggest to run the way that Ray Robinson and Joe Louis did..They would start out by walking,then jogging,then a sprint,then back to a jog,then a walk..Keep repeating this till the run is over..I walk for 30 seconds to a minute,then jog for a minute and a half to 2 minutes then sprint for 30 seconds to a minute..Also,mix in a slow jog while going backwards,shadow boxing, and side to sides..

I don't ever lift weights anymore so I don't suggest using weights but if you must,only light weights,nothing heavy..Weight training was something that Holyfield did to be able to become a heavyweight since his body was naturally a cruiserweight..

Eat a lot of fish and eat oatmeal..

You should be able to lose 20 lbs by the end of March..For me though,I hang around my weight all the time by 5-10 lbs at most..Normally I weigh 205 and I'll be fighting at 200..



This had me messed up. You would think it would be easy because of the walking but on the last leg of the run the sprints turn brisk jogs lol. Good stuff, keep em coming fellas.
Douchebag
QUOTE (ROLL DEEP @ Jan 13 2010, 11:51 AM) *
First off, nice work competing in an event like that.


What's the P90X program?




Sounds like you're pretty much doing everything you need to. Lots of protein to repair, water to flush out toxins, mix up the sprints and long distance running to help recovery time inbetween rounds/fights.

Do you do weights cirucits? They're real good for jacking the heart rate up for anerobic fitness and adding strength. I know there's always dispute about whether boxers should use weights (I think they're good), but as you'll be grappling too, it might be an idea?


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ROLL DEEP
Yeah, the running that Johnny said is called 'Fartlek training'....which is Swedish for 'Speed Play'.


Lots of sports (soccer players, basket ball) where the pace is constantly changing use this to prepare. It's good.


Try 'negative splits' too.....run fast for 3 minutes one way, 30 second breather, then make it back to where you started from in LESS than 3 minutes.


Repeat for around 20 mins.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Jan 15 2010, 10:09 AM) *
This had me messed up. You would think it would be easy because of the walking but on the last leg of the run the sprints turn brisk jogs lol. Good stuff, keep em coming fellas.

Yup..That's how Ray Robinson and Louis would run..My trainer told me that's how he wanted me to run then when I was reading Joe Louis' book,he'd talk about how he did his roadwork(walk,jog,sprint,jog,walk)..After you sprint then go to a jog,that shit gets ya..This style of running has worked my lungs harder than any other kind and it meant to simulate the pace of a fight..Sometimes alittle slow,sometimes a steady pace,and sometime a real hard pace..When my trainer told me to mix in the walking,I was like "are you serious?" and he was just like try it out and let me know..Also make sure when doing the walking that you mix in going backwards..

Like Roll Deep said,the pace is constantly changing and by doing this style of running,your heart will adjust to mixing up different speeds and not just one speed like sprinting..This way,you'll really build up your heart muscles..

If you're unable to keep sprinting at the end,maybe try it on a treadmill so you're forced to do the sprint..hahaha..Then try it again outside once ya have a good feel for it..Always run on grass,sand,or snow..Concrete will destroy your body..
Snoop
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Jan 15 2010, 02:48 AM) *
I suggest to run the way that Ray Robinson and Joe Louis did..They would start out by walking,then jogging,then a sprint,then back to a jog,then a walk..Keep repeating this till the run is over..I walk for 30 seconds to a minute,then jog for a minute and a half to 2 minutes then sprint for 30 seconds to a minute..Also,mix in a slow jog while going backwards,shadow boxing, and side to sides..

I don't ever lift weights anymore so I don't suggest using weights but if you must,only light weights,nothing heavy..Weight training was something that Holyfield did to be able to become a heavyweight since his body was naturally a cruiserweight..

Eat a lot of fish and eat oatmeal..

You should be able to lose 20 lbs by the end of March..For me though,I hang around my weight all the time by 5-10 lbs at most..Normally I weigh 205 and I'll be fighting at 200..

This is great advice. I've been implementing the walk/job/run the last few runs I've done and I can feel the difference sparring. Oatmeal and fish are also essentials to a boxer's diet.
ROLL DEEP
Yo, Conscience, you still fighting in that tournament?
Douchebag
QUOTE (ROLL DEEP @ Feb 15 2010, 02:10 PM) *
Yo, Conscience, you still fighting in that tournament?

Yup, but I decided that I am no longer going to try to cut the weight, I am now going to compete at 205 weight class and make my life easier. I'm still trainning like a mad man because I really want to win this thing.
happygocampy
Wish i saw this thread earlier, the P90X is one kick ass program, but for someone like you trying to cut weight i'd of recommended not doing it, the only people that lose much weight from it are a wee bit large in the belly and out of shape before they start. I wouldn't fret though, that Muscle Confusion crap works, if you've stuck to it you should be force to be reckoned with even at 205.
Douchebag
QUOTE (happygocampy @ Feb 15 2010, 11:14 PM) *
Wish i saw this thread earlier, the P90X is one kick ass program, but for someone like you trying to cut weight i'd of recommended not doing it, the only people that lose much weight from it are a wee bit large in the belly and out of shape before they start. I wouldn't fret though, that Muscle Confusion crap works, if you've stuck to it you should be force to be reckoned with even at 205.



Tell me about it, I just did Plyo this morning and it is really helping my stamina and the Yoga is helping me with my flexibility for Jui-Jitsu.
Snoop
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Feb 16 2010, 02:40 PM) *
Tell me about it, I just did Plyo this morning and it is really helping my stamina and the Yoga is helping me with my flexibility for Jui-Jitsu.

Hell yes. Yoga is an underestimated aid in kicking someone's ass.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Snoop @ Feb 15 2010, 01:42 PM) *
This is great advice. I've been implementing the walk/job/run the last few runs I've done and I can feel the difference sparring. Oatmeal and fish are also essentials to a boxer's diet.

Glad to hear my advice helped you..I also feel a major difference running that way compared to just running and sprinting seperately when sparring..The walk is extremely important as well even though most people would think that walking during roadwork is bad since it may be a sign that you're tired or whatever even though its not..It helps the heart and lungs..
Snoop
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Feb 16 2010, 11:00 PM) *
Glad to hear my advice helped you..I also feel a major difference running that way compared to just running and sprinting seperately when sparring..The walk is extremely important as well even though most people would think that walking during roadwork is bad since it may be a sign that you're tired or whatever even though its not..It helps the heart and lungs..

You know, I first opted to eliminate the walk, just because of the whole "do it to the extreme" attitude in boxing. But I tried it yesterday and it made a difference.
Douchebag
I feel like crap, I got may ass handed to me today............The sad part is that I know I am more talented then they are.............I just could not get anything going........my technique was really sloppy today. I really didn't get enough rest last night and maybe all the workouts are starting to take toll on my body, but i can't stop now.....I just have to get better. If you can perform when your not feeling well, you'll be an animal when you are feeling well.
Snoop
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Feb 17 2010, 02:12 AM) *
I feel like crap, I got may ass handed to me today............The sad part is that I know I am more talented then they are.............I just could not get anything going........my technique was really sloppy today. I really didn't get enough rest last night and maybe all the workouts are starting to take toll on my body, but i can't stop now.....I just have to get better. If you can perform when your not feeling well, you'll be an animal when you are feeling well.

I felt that way just yesterday because I had only gotten 3 hrs of sleep the night before. I have an amateur fight this Saturday and I've been feeling like shit in sparring, but you're right, when I'm 100%, I'm tearing them up. Just make sure you get enough rest before the fight. That's all that really matters.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (The Conscience @ Feb 16 2010, 09:12 PM) *
I feel like crap, I got may ass handed to me today............The sad part is that I know I am more talented then they are.............I just could not get anything going........my technique was really sloppy today. I really didn't get enough rest last night and maybe all the workouts are starting to take toll on my body, but i can't stop now.....I just have to get better. If you can perform when your not feeling well, you'll be an animal when you are feeling well.

You should take a day off to rest or skip 1 run this week..It's better to be undertrained than overtrained..Guys train like they are fighting a 15 round fight,then they get tired in the fight..Don't leave it in the gym,leave it in the ring..
Vega
I agree with what everyone said here. Good points. One key is to not overdo it like others have said. If you aren't getting the right sleep and you aren't letting your body repair and restore, you'll just continue to be hurting. The important thing is to build up your stamina through the walk/sprint/jog/walk technique. Soccer athletes are the best at training for stamina. You might be able to find some training tips from soccer athletes. Also stick with the light weights in your workouts as you don't want to end up gaining weight from muscle mass. The rest of your regime and diet sounds like it is solid. Just make sure you keep your body fed so it can burn up the calories from your food intake and not burn your fat reserves which saps energy and stamina.

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