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The CEO
I appreciate both of these fighters....Sportsbook has Mtagwa at +550 (a 5.5 to 1 underdog), but I would personally put him at +450...

What y'all think?...should be a battle while it lasts...
salvador
It's going to be awesome and so is the Lopez-Luevano fight.

I agree that +550 is a bit high, particularly given Gamboa's tendency to taste the canvas.
The CEO
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 20 2010, 06:46 PM) *
It's going to be awesome and so is the Lopez-Luevano fight.

I agree that +550 is a bit high, particularly given Gamboa's tendency to taste the canvas.


Yeah...I should change the title and add that bout too...I had my blinders on because Mtagwa's on my Fantasy League Squad...lol

I think the odds on Lopez-Luevano are about right...Lopez is a 5 to 1 favorite, and Luevano's a 3 to 1 dog....it should tell us some more about Lopez...who I always thought was being too hyped too soon...
JD
I think I am going to pop in and see this card. Not before some domination at Sushi of Gari first though.
JD
QUOTE (Fitz @ Jan 20 2010, 07:35 PM) *
I'm still not sure on whether I want to put Lopez-Luevano under 9.5 rounds.


You don't. People are seriously sleeping on Luevano here.
salvador
QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 20 2010, 06:58 PM) *
Yeah...I should change the title and add that bout too...I had my blinders on because Mtagwa's on my Fantasy League Squad...lol

I think the odds on Lopez-Luevano are about right...Lopez is a 5 to 1 favorite, and Luevano's a 3 to 1 dog....it should tell us some more about Lopez...who I always thought was being too hyped too soon...


Lopez is my number 1 fantasy draft pick so I don't want to bad mouth my main man, but I think the praise he's received has been a bit premature. That said, I think we're going to find out a lot more about him on Sat. I agree big time with JD that Luevano is being written off way too soon. Lopez is moving up in weight and this is going to be a real test.

The CEO
This is 2 tests in a row for Lopez...if he passes this one with flyin' colors after havin' to Heart out the Mtagwa fight like did, I'll be more sold on him...which is different because I tend to be an easier sell with Puerto Rican fighters...lol

I think I might have extra high standards and expectations for him...


Sure would be nice to watch fights like these at The Mecca like JD does...ahhhhhhhhh....maybe someday before I die...
salvador
QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 20 2010, 09:45 PM) *
I tend to be an easier sell with Puerto Rican fighters...lol

I think I might have extra high standards and expectations for him...


I tend to be easier on all Latin fighters. It's a sickness.

And like you, my standards for Lopez are probably a bit high - all I want is to know for absolutely God Damn sure that he'd rather die than lose. As long as that's the case, then I'm fine with him.
Romulus9
QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 20 2010, 09:45 PM) *
This is 2 tests in a row for Lopez...if he passes this one with flyin' colors after havin' to Heart out the Mtagwa fight like did, I'll be more sold on him...which is different because I tend to be an easier sell with Puerto Rican fighters...lol

I think I might have extra high standards and expectations for him...


Lopez was getting a LOT of mileage out of the first round destruction of Daniel Ponce de Leon, and added to it with the win over an overmatched Penalosa (who truthfully had no business fighting Lopez, and I commend Freddie for giving his guy a chance but stopping it when he did). Those wins, and the B-grade performance against Lontchi got him a status that was likely a little premature. He hadn't been truly tested by someone serious, and hadn't dealt with a tough situation that would show everyone if he could deal with adversity. The Mtagwa fight did that. The 11th and 12th rounds of that fight were very revealing for Lopez but they showed good things. He did what he needed to do, got through it, won the fight.

Is he an incredible talent? No question.

Was the Mtagwa experience important? Absolutely.

What remains is the question of what Lopez will do when truly pushed for more than six minutes out of 36. Let's face it. Lopez DOMINATED the first six rounds of the fight and just faded (due to what was probably a lackluster camp before an expected easy win) en route to a UD win.

Two questions need to be answered:

1.) What happens when Lopez is pushed for a significant portion of a fight by a good fighter?

2.) Will Lopez feel a big difference, or experience a serious loss of physical advantage, with a move to a higher weight class?


This fight with Luevano could answer one, if not both, of these questions.


More on Gamboa-Mtagwa later on.
King Eugene
Gamboa will search and destroy then give me points thumbsup_anim.gif
The CEO
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 20 2010, 09:54 PM) *
I tend to be easier on all Latin fighters. It's a sickness.

And like you, my standards for Lopez are probably a bit high - all I want is to know for absolutely God Damn sure that he'd rather die than lose. As long as that's the case, then I'm fine with him.


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I think my appreciaton for PR fighters came to pass from watching Wilfred Benitez when I was growin' up....what a great boxer he was...probably my 5th favorite O.A.T...

and yeah...not sure Lopez is the ready to die type as well...him being so young has about as much to do with the Mtagwa finish as Heart does...


QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jan 20 2010, 10:13 PM) *
Lopez was getting a LOT of mileage out of the first round destruction of Daniel Ponce de Leon, and added to it with the win over an overmatched Penalosa (who truthfully had no business fighting Lopez, and I commend Freddie for giving his guy a chance but stopping it when he did). Those wins, and the B-grade performance against Lontchi got him a status that was likely a little premature. He hadn't been truly tested by someone serious, and hadn't dealt with a tough situation that would show everyone if he could deal with adversity. The Mtagwa fight did that. The 11th and 12th rounds of that fight were very revealing for Lopez but they showed good things. He did what he needed to do, got through it, won the fight.

Is he an incredible talent? No question.

Was the Mtagwa experience important? Absolutely.

What remains is the question of what Lopez will do when truly pushed for more than six minutes out of 36. Let's face it. Lopez DOMINATED the first six rounds of the fight and just faded (due to what was probably a lackluster camp before an expected easy win) en route to a UD win.

Two questions need to be answered:

1.) What happens when Lopez is pushed for a significant portion of a fight by a good fighter?

2.) Will Lopez feel a big difference, or experience a serious loss of physical advantage, with a move to a higher weight class?


This fight with Luevano could answer one, if not both, of these questions.


More on Gamboa-Mtagwa later on.


That's great stuff right there, Rommy....you're absolutely right...

I take it back where I said I might have extra high standards for him....he's where I thought he was as of right now...


QUOTE (King Eugene @ Jan 21 2010, 02:34 AM) *
Gamboa will search and destroy then give me points thumbsup_anim.gif


lol...that would suck for you if Gamboa gets stretched, and I get those points you're countin' on....I will laugh.
JD
This is a nice card.
Maxy
Gutted.

Over here we won't get to see these fights unless the stupid TV companies get them on a delay or something.
PR316
Lopez vs Luevano- I think Stevie will give Juanma some uncomfortable moments for sure. I've seen Luevano's fights against Concepcion, Santiago, and a couple others and what I see is a good technical boxer who trades a little too much for a guy who is not a big puncher. Defense is kind of shaky. But he's tough. Was hurt on several occasions against Santiago and kept going. He's got heart. With Juanma its a possibility that maybe just maybe he was hyped a bit too much prior to the Mtagwa fight. Its my personal opinion that Juanma took the fight with Mtagwa very lightly. Just my oberservation. Provided Juanma doesn't take Luevano lightly, I think he'll shine. Lopez is just as fast if not faster than Luevano, more powerful with both hands, and stronger. If he keeps his head and sticks to the basics, I see him breaking Luevano down to the body with his powershots.


Lopez TKO 8


Gamboa vs Mtagwa- This one will be curious simply because everyone will want to see if Gamboa can one up Lopez with Mtagwa. I honestly see a very awkward fight. To me, Gamboa is not a great technician, but a great athlete. Kind of like a Prince Naseem type of guy who gets by on his two handed power, blinding hand speed, and quick reflexes. Maybe I'm wrong, but everytime I see Gamboa fight, I don't see any great boxing skill. Just my opinion. Mtagwa on the other hand is nothing more than the Ricardo Mayorga of these divisions in that he's strong, tough, takes a good shot, and can deliver a decent one too, but lacks in the skill department. I see it having a few action packed moments. But the difference here is the speed of Gamboa. He'll outspeed Mtagwa most of the night and earn a convincing victory

Gamboa via UD or a possible late rounds stoppage.
kidbazooka1
Finally some good fights to look forward to.

I see Gamboa taking care of Mtgawa easly even though i see Juanma beating Gamboa. Luevano will make it a tough fight for Juanma but will get caught late in the fight.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Luevano is a good technichal fighter. I think he'll beat Lopez tomorrow night, as Lopez really didn't look that good against Mtagwa. He's stepping up in weight and class, so we'll find out what he really has. I think Luevano has some underrated skills, and he'll give Lopez a ton of problems. I see him winning a decision. I think Gamboa will KO Mtagwa. I think he's a bit too big for Mtagwa, since Mtagwa only weight in at 122.5 I think. This is a good card, but I still think that Lopez should be rematching Mtagwa and Luevano should be fighting Gamboa. It's good to see some fights finally though.
iron_mike
Maybe i missed something, but why isn't Juanma remathing against Mtgawa?
PR316
Because despite Mtagwa's late round surge, the fight was not all that close. Lopez won at least 8 rounds and he can't make 122 anymore.
EvanKorn
I'm going to be updating the card from New York at http://www.newyork.fighthype.com

Duddy, Jorge Diaz and Pawel Wolak will be in action off-tv.
EvanKorn
Jorge Diaz scored a first-round knock out--- he's an undefeated Junior Featherweight.... look out for this kid.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (EvanKorn @ Jan 23 2010, 06:04 PM) *
I'm going to be updating the card from New York at http://www.newyork.fighthype.com

Duddy, Jorge Diaz and Pawel Wolak will be in action off-tv.



Thanks Evan for your great work!

Jack
EvanKorn
Pawel Wolak won an 8-rd Unanimous decision--- good fight--- Wolak can't be in a bad one.

John Duddy is entering the ring now.
EvanKorn
Duddy wins by 1st rd KO--- the guy he fought put forth a complete non-effort. Basically, a massive waste of time for everybody involved. Now, there is 35 minutes of waiting until the 2 main events start.

Undercard is over--- Report is as followed:

http://newyork.fighthype.com/2010/01/23/of...-from-new-york/

enjoy the fights tonight guys
Snoop
Goddamn Gamboa is whoppin' some ass.
salvador
Gamboa looks like he just wants to go a few rounds to practice what he'd learned in the gym.
Snoop
I wonder what Lopez is thinking right now.
salvador
Gamboa is the most exciting fighter in the sport, bar none.
Snoop
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 24 2010, 03:11 AM) *
Gamboa is the most exciting fighter in the sport, bar none.

Shit that was fun to watch.
True-Boxing-Fan
That was a scintillating performance by Gamboa. He looked the best he ever has. He was like a surgeon in there for two rounds. He didnt get all crazy when he had Mtagwa hurt, he just took his time and picked him apart real quick. Gamboa has some crazy ass speed. That left was money. Impressive
HaydelHammer
that left hand was on point big time....damn.
HaydelHammer
cotto looked like he had a couple drinks in him. lol
KookedKrack
Damn Cotto has had a rough few years I wouldn't even blame him for getting some drinks in him. From the 24/7 episodes he seemed real close with his dad.
KookedKrack
QUOTE (True-Boxing-Fan @ Jan 23 2010, 11:13 PM) *
That was a scintillating performance by Gamboa. He looked the best he ever has. He was like a surgeon in there for two rounds. He didnt get all crazy when he had Mtagwa hurt, he just took his time and picked him apart real quick. Gamboa has some crazy ass speed. That left was money. Impressive


Yea that was my issue with him at times he would get a bit too wild and square up, it looks like his corner noticed it too.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 23 2010, 11:11 PM) *
Gamboa is the most exciting fighter in the sport, bar none.


I haven't had the chance to watch this fight yet but from what I've seen Gamboa reminds me of a young Mike Tyson. He brings the same kind of intensity and explosive power to the ring. If this translates as he moves up in competition he's gonna achieve a helluva lot and make a lot of money along the way too.

Guys like Gamboa should they hit the bigtime=licence to print money.
salvador
QUOTE (the ollie reed fan club @ Jan 23 2010, 11:39 PM) *
I haven't had the chance to watch this fight yet but from what I've seen Gamboa reminds me of a young Mike Tyson. He brings the same kind of intensity and explosive power to the ring. If this translates as he moves up in competition he's gonna achieve a helluva lot and make a lot of money along the way too.

Guys like Gamboa should they hit the bigtime=licence to print money.


Seriously, this guy oozes charisma like Roberto Duran with gold teeth, looking like he belongs on the set of Scarface.
Snoop
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 24 2010, 03:44 AM) *
Seriously, this guy oozes charisma like Roberto Duran with gold teeth, looking like he belongs on the set of Scarface.

Gamboa has personality. That's for sure.
The CEO
What pure bombs from Gamboa tonight...he has definitely turned the corner with his Professionalism...when he rocked Mtagwa in the 1st round and stepped back and chilled like that, I got up and yelled, "NO HE DIDN'T!....LOOK AT 'IM!""...lol....he's got the confidence of a God in there...he is a bad, bad, BAD dude....3 Bads.

Fairly impressed with Lopez because Luevano showed up...but I can see the future....it will be Gamboa KO8 Lopez.
HaydelHammer
QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 23 2010, 11:22 PM) *
What pure bombs from Gamboa tonight...he has definitely turned the corner with his Professionalism...when he rocked Mtagwa in the 1st round and stepped back and chilled like that, I got up and yelled, "NO HE DIDN'T!....LOOK AT 'IM!""...lol....he's got the confidence of a God in there...he is a bad, bad, BAD dude....3 Bads.

Fairly impressed with Lopez because Luevano showed up...but I can see the future....it will be Gamboa KO8 Lopez.


yeah he dropped a nice two piece on him and just chilled on it. That was pretty nice. Almost as to say...nahhh go ahead and get your wits back..I need to get in some more work on that azz. lol
Spyder
No doubt. Lopez looked good in there, but Gamboa looked special.

Fucking SICK-ASS power and speed!
The CEO
QUOTE (HaydelHammer @ Jan 23 2010, 11:33 PM) *
yeah he dropped a nice two piece on him and just chilled on it. That was pretty nice. Almost as to say...nahhh go ahead and get your wits back..I need to get in some more work on that azz. lol


laugh.gif laugh.gif

That's exactly what I got from it too...


When it's all said and done...the guy is NOT to be fucked with...

I was speaking of God earlier and after thinkin' about it....Yuriorkis Gamboa just might be The Anti-Christ.

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
Ok so just watched the fight. Sure there are a few technical things the kid needs to work on but gee there is a lot to like.

A coupla times he dug those short left hook combo's very reminiscent to a certain Mr T. Looked very composed, just did his thing and looked like he was hurting Mtagwa with every shot. This guy is money. It's the sort of performance where you're already hanging out to see him fight again.

Who the hell has got this guy in their fantasy squad?
BigG
Gamboa sure did make a statement...that was a total MISMATCH! Mtagwa is known for being super tough and durable..coming off a great performance vs. Juan Ma..and Gamboa basically played with him...he was reminscent of a young Tyson. ohmy.gif

Lopez also had a very good win over a very quality champion..

When these two do meet..I'll have to go for Gamboa by KO in an explosive fight.
kidbazooka1
Went pretty much how i thought it would. Gamboa looked excepetional tonigh and so did JuanMa. I know i might be in the minority after tonights fights but i still think JuanMa would stop Gamboa if and when they meet.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
JuanMa definitly has a shot against Gamboa in there. Gamboa looked great in there tonight, but he was a lot bigger than Mtagwa. Mtagwa couldn't take the shots and that was evident in the 1st round. I don't think he should have moved up to featherweight, but more power to him for getting a big fight, he deserved it. I may be in the minority by saying that Lopez's performance was more impressive. Luevano is a good fighter and he showed up to win tonight. Luevano even won a couple rounds, but Lopez adjusted to whatever style he was bringing. Luevano couldn't use his range and he couldn't pressure him either. Lopez looked damn good in there tonight against a champ. That uppercut in the last round was just sick, and lets not forget Gamboa has been put on the canvas before. This fight needs to get made and it will be a great fight. I honestly think that fight is a toss up right now.
Thegreatequalizer
yeah, gamboa looked quite good. he's calmed down a lot and stayed in form most of the time. very impressive. y'know, i do understand the tyson comparisons. i was actually thinking of him as a cross between tyson and pernell whitaker. obviously he's got a ways to go to touch either of those guys, but that's kind of what he reminds me of. he even looks a little like whitaker. lopez looks good, but i think gamboa is still going to be too powerful for him.
kidbazooka1
I see Gamboa taking the first few rds against Lopez easly because of his superior speed but once Lopez finds his range and begins to get inside i see him takeing over and stopping Gambo late in the fight.

But i agree Gamboa looked special tonight and he is but so is Lopez.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Thegreatequalizer @ Jan 24 2010, 02:53 AM) *
yeah, gamboa looked quite good. he's calmed down a lot and stayed in form most of the time. very impressive. y'know, i do understand the tyson comparisons. i was actually thinking of him as a cross between tyson and pernell whitaker. obviously he's got a ways to go to touch either of those guys, but that's kind of what he reminds me of. he even looks a little like whitaker. lopez looks good, but i think gamboa is still going to be too powerful for him.


That's an interesting point you make and it's what I like in Gamboa. You can tell he's actually thinking about his defense as well, how to slip punches etc.

Oftentimes when a young fighter has power they get carried away with their power and that's all they concentrate on (see James Kirkland and others) and you know that at some point this is gonna catch up with them. Gamboa looks like developing as a nice all round fighter (I always thought Tyson's defence in his early days was underrated) and those fundamentals and developing ring IQ will serve him well down the stretch for the occasions when he hits guys and they either a, hit back or b, don't hit the deck.

I thought it was a real good solid step forward. And you can tell the kid just loves to fight.
Jack 1000
Great wins tonight! And now what has the makings of a classic............Gamboa-Lopez!!! WOOOOO!!!!

That COULD be a little man's Ward-Gatti fight!!! I am gonna say Lopez KO 9 if they win, provided that he can survive the early power of Gamboa. Actually, each has to survive the early power of the other!!!!! LOL!

I see Lopez railing to win. I'll do an early percent and give him a 55% edge to Gamboa's 45% edge to win.


WAR!!!!! FUCKING WAR!!!! LOL!!!!

Jack
PR316
Man, what a night it was.


Must say that Gamboa exceeded my expectations last night. Probably his best performance, be it against a subpar guy. Speed, power, athleticism, and he showed discipline, not throwing crazy punches.


Lopez had the better victory though, because Luevano is a better fighter than Mtagwa. Juanma definitely showed much improvement from the fight with Mtagwa all around. Better combinations, tighter defense, and a good mix of work to the head and the body.



As far as Gamboa vs Lopez, I've always said Lopez even before and after the Mtagwa fight. To me its not that big a deal of what Gamboa did last night with Mtagwa compared to Juanma because IMO Lopez took his fight with Mtagwa very lightly and was having a ton of trouble making 122 at that. I think its a war, and I see it to be very exciting. But I'll take the better boxer. Juanma is smoother all around, better schooled, has a better chin(Never been dropped), and is more disciplined overall.

I think its Lopez KO 10 over Gamboa.
salvador
QUOTE (PR316 @ Jan 24 2010, 09:46 AM) *
As far as Gamboa vs Lopez, I've always said Lopez even before and after the Mtagwa fight. To me its not that big a deal of what Gamboa did last night with Mtagwa compared to Juanma because IMO Lopez took his fight with Mtagwa very lightly and was having a ton of trouble making 122 at that. I think its a war, and I see it to be very exciting. But I'll take the better boxer. Juanma is smoother all around, better schooled, has a better chin(Never been dropped), and is more disciplined overall.

I think its Lopez KO 10 over Gamboa.


As much as I'd like to see this fight tomorrow, I don't see any reason to rush Gamboa. Gamboa just keeps getting better with every fight and while I'd probably take Lopez today based entirely on Gamboa's chin, I think that a year from now (with 3-4 more solid wins under his belt) Gamboa takes Lopez by ko.
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