Again, that's my point. They don't explain when they would put the title on the line when a 1 and 3 fight. Would it have to be a previous Ring champion in one of those spots to qualify? They don't really say. They leave that loophole there which is very political. As far as undisputed...I don't put much stock into holding the alphabet titles as a criteria for a Real and unquestioned Champion. There rankings are whack. I always put more stock in the Ring, but even they have question marks. Like why the Margarito-Mosley fight was not for THE Champion.

Can someone clue me in to what Floyd's referring to here?



What is that all about? Cause if he's just throwing accusations out just for the fuck of it, that's messed up. If I was that fighter that won, and Floyd's running his mouth throwing out accusations, I'd be wanting to either fuck him up or find some dudes who will do it for 10 grand, you know?

If he has no proof or anything, which he says he doesn't and he's just throwing out an accusation like that, that's the most reckless thing I've ever heard.

Cmon dude, the man is just talking its called an opinion. All he saying is that the sport should be safer b/c unfortunately humans does have a tendency to cheat, fact? Yes.. He not accusing the man but reality of it is that its a possiblity that he couldve cheated.. wheres the harm in that? You reaching on this one buddy!

Fuck man. I hate Mayweather as well, but can you at least still call things down the middle? He doesn't fight Shane, you bag him, he fights Shane you are still being negative about the whole fight now back to your own article that you posted.



Also for the record, I haven't seen the whole article, or don't know how much of it you posted, but based on what I read from that. He ISN'T accusing this 'mystery' guy of being a steroid user. He is simply stating that you just don't know. His whole point was that a guy could end up in hospital with serious injuries, and because of the poor quality of testing, nobody will know if steroids or anything is involved.

It's no different if the government did not want to name registered sex offenders (not saying they don't, just being hypothetical), and I say that they should name them, how do I not know that my next door neighbour isn't a sex offender? I'm not suggesting that my neigbour is an offender, my point is that you don't know who is and who isn't.
Like I said, not sure how much of the article is posted, but if that's all it is, stop taking things out of context and be negative about the whole thing. You aren't happy about him fighting Mosley now, so who RIGHT now at this point would make you happy?

Floyd is SMART! this is a WIN WIN situation for him...

He doesn't get the 40 million dollar pay day in Pacquiao so he signs to fight Mosley and will likely get 20+ million.

If he wins, He'll likely get the 40 million dollard payday with Pac. If he loses he'll get his 20 million dollars plus another 20 million for the rematch. LOL Rematch Clause is BRILLANT. That also means that Pacquiao aint fighting Shane anytime soon, even if Mosley beats Mayweather.

You should put stock into undisputed because that is the goal and the ultimate achievement. How could you not put much stock into someone holding at least 3/4 titles. Wlad hold 2/4 from heavy weight, he is a unified champion. Tszyu held them and was undisputed at 140, Hopkins held them at 160 for a long time, and then they went from Taylor to Pavlik. Marquez is the undisputed at 135 after beating the top title holders in Casamayor and Diaz.
I don't know, but from the names I just listed, I would find it hard for you to argue that any of those undisputed champions were paper champions, or not fitting the 'real' champion criteria.

It is much more difficult to become the true undisputed champion than to become the ring magazine champion.

That's true. It makes it tough to capture 3 titles when you have mandatories for each title. I'm sure if a fighter becomes undisputed he would be recognized as the Ring Champion also.

Nah, fuck that. This is worse than anything he said to Pac. He's pointing to a fighter who's in the hospital, and while (as far as I'm aware of) there's been ZERO discussion of the other guy being on anything, he's just throwing out baseless accusations.

At a certain point you can't hide behind "oh that's just my opinion" when you're making slanderous accusations. This isn't someone he's got an interest in, such as Pac, where you could say he's trying to goad him into a fight, or play mind games.

This is a baseless and utterly reckless accusation.

He needs to be called out on this instead of people making excuses for him.

And it's a sad state of affairs if there is a fighter in Vegas in the hospital due to a fight, but where does Floyd get off just randomly saying "oh yeah, if that guy (the winner) had been tested for blood, then he (the loser) wouldn't be in the hospital right now"

THAT is flat out saying that his opponent took steroids. He's trying to make some kind of validation for asking Pac to take the test, and as a result he's smearing other fighters, who he doesn't have the balls to mention.

EDIT: And to put this into perspective, this is like saying, "well, if only they had tested Chavez' blood before that fight with Meldrick Taylor, Taylor's career might have been different and more successful."

Point is, if there was blood testing then it cut back on the chances of anyone cheating, right? Wouldn't you as a fan want to be sure that the sport is safe and that no one is cheating? Or does it all goes out the window when Floyd speaks about it?

I sense sarcasm. Judah was nothing special, but that had more to do with the welter being weak at the time. Cotto was at 140, Mayweather wasn't settled at 147 yet, Mosley was fighting at 154, Berto was way too green and all you had was Cintron and Margarito I guess, as Williams was green at the time as well. So Judah becoming undisputed was more about the weakness of the division, but he still beat Spinks for them.
That said, an undisputed champion is just about always the best fighter in the division in 'most' cases. I just don't know what you can put more stock into than an undisputed guy.

You claim to have read all my posts in this thread, and yet you don't seem to recall the one where I referred to my earlier assertion that I have ZERO problem with making blood testing mandatory?

Okay.

Good point.

Recently reviewed PBF v JMM and Shane v Cheato. I can't see PBF hurting Shane seriously, unless he takes uncharacteristic risks. The question is if PBF can handle it when he gets caught by Mosley heat. If he can, I believe he wins a comfortable decision. I think a key to the fight will be if Shane can get to PBF's body. Another key is how much the nearly 1 1/2 year layoff has cost Mosley versus the extent of ring rust PBF's limited activity has fostered.

Ding ding ding, if you have ZERO problem with making blood testing mandatory then what is wrong with Floyd saying it??? I mean isnt he only trying to do the same thing you claim you have ZERO problem with??

I only watched the PBF v JMM fight because I thought the inactivity may have made the fight interesting. I was utterly mistaken. However, the cliche "styles make fights" was never more accurate than in that fight. Throw in the size and speed advantages and JMM was no more than a 12 round sparring partner. Decent practice, but zero threat. Not really an honest opportunity to evaluate where either fighter actually stands.

Mosley will be live fire and his style creates significant challenges for PBF. If there is rust it will be knocked off.

That said, the time off should hurt Mosley more and PBF should step up and win a clear decision.

Good point.

Recently reviewed PBF v JMM and Shane v Cheato. I can't see PBF hurting Shane seriously, unless he takes uncharacteristic risks. The question is if PBF can handle it when he gets caught by Mosley heat. If he can, I believe he wins a comfortable decision. I think a key to the fight will be if Shane can get to PBF's body. Another key is how much the nearly 1 1/2 year layoff has cost Mosley versus the extent of ring rust PBF's limited activity has fostered.

I think the biggest issue Floyd has is dealing with the power Shane has if he gets caught flush. Shane's biggest problen is the fact that Floyd has a beautiful jab & will use it over & over. I really think that Shanes only chance is to rush Floyd early & look to bust him up. If he is insane enough to actually think he can outbox Floyd & eventually catch him I want some of the gear he is on because Shane has a hell of a connection.

I expect some exciting moments early when Shane rushes Floyd & unloads but I expect Floyd to be in total control by round 5 & hitting Shane at will by round 8. I hate saying it but easy money for Mayweather. By god I hope I am wrong though.

I suppose it goes to whether or not you believe that Floyd's sincere when he talks about cleaning up the sport as his reason for introducing the idea of blood testing for Pac. I don't. If it turns out that this leads to mandatory testing for all, it's a great thing, I just don't think he gives a shit about cleaning the sport up.

2. Those local boxing circus.

That's the kind of circus that I'd be interested in!

Hahahaha!

By the way, Floyd has signed the contract. Here's his signature.



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Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Mosley will be live fire and his style creates significant challenges for PBF. If there is rust it will be knocked off.

nice opinion on the fight... what do you guys think?

Richard Schaefer, the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, is usually a calm, cool and collected sort. The former Swiss banker doesn't get rattled easily.

Tuesday morning, however, he sounded rattled, expressing concern about why Floyd Mayweather Jr. has not signed his contract to face welterweight champ Shane Mosley on May 1 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, in as big of a fight as there is in the sport.

It has been five days since both sides acknowledged an agreement on terms.

Mosley, of course, put pen to paper on Friday in Las Vegas, where his attorney, Judd Burstein, went through the paperwork with him point by point.

"He is excited to move forward with the bout," Burstein told me at the time.

Burstein also added that he had been assured by Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, that there were no problems on their side.

"I confirmed with Leonard that there are no issues," Burstein said.

Ellerbe's quote to me for the story I wrote Friday was, "All of the deal points have been agreed to. We still have to put pen to paper, but everything is agreed to."

Yet five days later, Schaefer still does not have a signed agreement from Mayweather. He was clearly at wit's end when he called me about it Tuesday morning.

"He still hasn't signed. I am so frustrated," Schaefer said. "I wanted both guys to go down to the Super Bowl in Miami to do some promotional stuff. I don't know what Floyd is waiting for. I have no clue. I have a signed contract from Shane on my desk. I have nothing from Floyd."

Schaefer said he is in constant touch with Ellerbe and Al Haymon, Mayweather's other adviser, and when he asks them where the paperwork is, the response is always the same: "Every day, it's the next day. They say, 'Don't worry, it's going to come.' Well, where is it? I'm waiting for the signature before we can move on."

Now May 1 is still a ways off, but for a megafight the magnitude of Mosley-Mayweather, kicking it off with promotional appearances at the Super Bowl is significant. When Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya met in May 2007, their media rounds at the Super Bowl generated enormous interest in the fight, which went on to set the all-time pay-per-view record.

Schaefer wants to follow the same blueprint. He said Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr., who will meet April 3 in a pay-per-view rematch that Golden Boy is co-promoting, will be in Miami to help drum up interest in their fight, so he can't understand why Mayweather is MIA.

So I asked Schaefer if he was concerned that the Mosley-Mayweather fight might be in trouble?

His answer was simply, "Yes."

I asked him if he would elaborate.

"At this point, I don't know," he said. "We want to do some big PR, so this is frustrating. I read Leonard's quotes that it was agreed to and that it was just a matter of time to get it signed, but if it's all done, why isn't it signed?"

Schaefer has been down this road with Mayweather before, perhaps one of the reasons for his concern. He negotiated a fall 2008 rematch between Mayweather and De La Hoya, which also had been agreed to and was on the verge of being announced. However, Mayweather never signed the paperwork and instead announced his retirement, which lasted 18 months.
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"I am not having flashbacks to anything, but [the Mosley fight] is still not signed," Schaefer said. "I don't know what it means. Obviously, we can't move forward with the promotion, including some important activities that were planned for this coming weekend, unless we have a signed deal."[/b]

Before negotiating with Mosley, Mayweather was close to a deal to face Manny Pacquiao on March 13 in what would have been, by far, the sport's biggest fight. But that fight fell apart shortly before what was supposed to have been a kickoff news conference in early January. The reason was because the fighters couldn't reach a compromise on drug-testing protocol. Mayweather insisted on testing that went far beyond the rules of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. While Pacquiao accepted some additional testing, he refused random blood testing.

Both fighters moved on. Pacquiao quickly made a deal to defend his welterweight belt against Joshua Clottey on March 13 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Mayweather and Mosley began their talks after Mosley's Jan. 30 unification fight with Andre Berto was canceled.

So while Pacquiao wrapped up his deal with Clottey in about two seconds and Mosley signed on the dotted line in pretty short order, we all continue to wait for Mayweather's John Hancock yet again, including Schaefer.

"I always tell you, a signed deal is a done deal," Schaefer said. "It will only be done when Floyd signs, and that hasn't happened yet. I don't know of any deal terms that are not agreed to. I don't understand it."

I have always disliked Floyd, but I agree. He will be signing this, it would be too hard for him to be taken seriously from here on out if he didn't. Bird Man is just trying really hard to find something negative. Mayweather will probably eventually sign, and he will probably post how Mayweather is cheap and holds up procedures to get a psychological edge.

Floyd will sign... He can NOT be that stupid.

I have always disliked Floyd, but I agree. He will be signing this, it would be too hard for him to be taken seriously from here on out if he didn't. Bird Man is just trying really hard to find something negative. Mayweather will probably eventually sign, and he will probably post how Mayweather is cheap and holds up procedures to get a psychological edge.

Torvix how does it feel to know that Floyd is about to fight someone who Team Pacq fears more than random drug testing?

3. He's pissed off at GBP because GBP paid Berto step aside money and got his back up the wall

Floyd's still waiting for ...