QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 3 2010, 06:27 PM)
Mosley never ducked Mayweather, he took on tougher fights and from when Mayweather called Mosley out, it took 7 years from the time he called him out to actually be in the same division as Mosley.
I really didn't read everything that's been said in this thread, but I did want to clarify that Mosley "took on tougher fights" because he didn't have any other choice. Mosley has NEVER been in a position where he can make millions by fighting anyone. After beating Oscar De La Hoya (the first time), there was absolutely NO ONE that he could fight and make the type of money (I believe it was less than $5 million at the time) that he made. Let's not forget that after the De La Hoya fight, Mosley also went on to face a string of "lesser" opponents in Antonio Diaz (TKO6), Shannon Taylor (TKO6) and Adrian Stone (KO3) before stepping up to try and unify against Vernon Forrest, who essentially ran him out of the welterweight division (well...I guess technically Shane was just chasing after another money fight against De La Hoya). But even after winning the second fight against De La Hoya at 154, there STILL wasn't anyone there that Mosley could make big money against. Just like now, he was begging for a big fight against the likes of Vargas or Trinidad, but at the time, Trinidad had retired after the Hopkins beatdown and Vargas was all but done due to his back problems. The ONLY person who was there with a decent name that Mosley could actually make, I don't know, maybe $3 million or so against was Winky Wright. Mosley never had the luxury of being paid $5-$10 million to fight guys like Carlos Baldomir (Floyd Mayweather), Yori Boy Campas (Oscar De La Hoya) or David Diaz (Manny Pacquiao). For some reason, no matter what Mosley has done in his career, no matter how exciting his fights are, the networks/promoters just can't seem to make big money off of him, therefore, he didn't have any choice but to fight all those hard fights. Just like Winky Wright...he didn't have the luxury of having that nice contract that his boy Roy Jones Jr. had, so Winky had to fight whoever he could to make his money.
That's not to take anything away from Mosley as I truly believe that he's a throwback fighter and would fight anyone, any time and any place...HOWEVER...that being said, I do think Mosley, like Mayweather, De La Hoya AND Pacquiao, has made certain career decisions based on financial reasons. Does that mean he was "duckin and dodgin" certain fighters? Absolutely not. He was simply trying to maximize his profits by chasing after the big money makers (i.e. Oscar De La Hoya). Likewise, I don't think Floyd is "duckin and dodgin" anyone either...he simply chooses to make the most amount of money as easily as possible. I can't say I blame him either...I think just about anyone, no matter what profession they're in, would like to make money as easy as possible. I mean, people will label Floyd a coward because he "ducked" Margarito, but hey, if that's the case, then we can say the same about A LOT of fighters who chose not to fight certain fighters who weren't as financially rewarding. De La Hoya chose to fight the likes of Arturo Gatti and Javier Castillejo instead of facing Vernon Forrest or Winky Wright...Hopkins chose to fight Roy Jones Jr. instead of Chad Dawson...Pacquiao chose to fight David Diaz instead of Nate Campbell...I mean, the list goes on, but I don't think any of those fighters were actually "afraid" to face any of those fighters. As a fighter, at least most that I know, you just have this certain arrogance about you that no one can beat you...even if you just got your ass kicked, you find a way to rationalize it. I just don't think guys are shaking in their boots and ducking other fighters. Their simply aren't any fighters that are THAT scary. I mean, even Pacquiao, as good as he's been looking and as many guys as he's wrecked, there's still fighters waiting in line for a shot at him. I think the last fighter that anyone was truly afraid to step in the ring with was Mike Tyson...and even then, not too many guys were "ducking" him. Maybe it's because they knew it would earn them their biggest payday, but regardless, I just don't think very many fighters are afraid to face anyone. If it DOES happen or if a fight DOESN'T happen, it's usually because of money...simple as that.
While I admire Shane for his willing to fight anyone, let's not go overboard and make it sound like it's been his mission in throughout his career to fight best fighters each and every time. Usually when he did take on "tougher" fights, it was because he didn't have any other choice. If he DID have a choice, however, something tells me that Shane too would have gladly fought Juan Manuel Marquez if he was guaranteed a minimum of $10 million. Hell, he's got to be scratching his head wondering why his own promotional company served Juan Manuel Marquez to Floyd Mayweather instead of him. Or hell, why did they server up Ricky Hatton to Manny Pacquiao instead of Mosley? It's crazy.
But I digress....just basically wanted to say that, hey, I like Shane Mosley too, but honestly, Shane could have fought Floyd a lot sooner if he really, really, REALLY wanted to. That's not to say he was "ducking" him...it's just that, financially, fighting Floyd way back then wasn't going to be quite as rewarding as it now that Floyd commands RIDICULOUS money. Back then, Shane probably wouldn't have even made $1 million to fight Floyd, so I can't blame him for chasing after that De La Hoya money. Technically, Shane probably could have fought Floyd just a few years ago when that whole "tooth ache" incident happened. If you remember, at the time, it wasn't a lock that Oscar was going to fight Floyd and for a brief period of time, there were actually some discussions about Shane and Floyd fighting, however, Oscar swooped in and put a squash to that when he decided to fight Floyd, so Floyd basically did to Shane what Shane did to him so many years ago...he went chasing after that Oscar money. It's crazy how that shit works...the timing, the money, all that has to be taken into consideration. Once a fighter reaches a certain level, the sport of boxing becomes the business of boxing...it's just some fighters never reach that level of financial reward, therefore, their business choices are limited.
Okay...long rant, but I was bored. LOL.
Also for the record, it says here that if Shane would have fought Berto, that likely would have been another "tough" fight that he was in and he would have been paid peanuts for it...PEANUTS! Could you imagine Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao be willing to fight Andre Berto for $3 million? LOL. The thought is comical and yet sad at the same time. Like I said, Mosley didn't want to fight Berto at all...he said it time and time again...however, he simply didn't have any choice in the matter.