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KENSOFINE
What is the reason weed is illegal, vs. A LOT of other things perfectly legal that can do just as much damage, if not more?

In other words, what makes weed more wrong for society than a gun, alcohol, or a car?

Discuss.
KookedKrack
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He can save you from your addictions breh. Pledge to live your life straight edge.
KENSOFINE
Answer the question, onion-head.
lloyd mayflower
I have always been an advocate of ecstasy. I see alcohol as a far more dangerous drug. There is evidence to support this theory, but since its seen as a social taboo, the subject will never be tackled.
Fitz
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Feb 18 2010, 10:10 AM) *
I have always been an advocate of ecstasy. I see alcohol as a far more dangerous drug. There is evidence to support this theory, but since its seen as a social taboo, the subject will never be tackled.


I disagree as alcohol will not kill someone in a night, it's more of a problem with abuse of alcohol overtime. There have been cases with ecstasy that have caused problems to people that were unlucky and have probably not been addicts and abused it.
lloyd mayflower
Yeah but most of the deaths linked to ecstasy have been a massive allergic reaction to somethin in it, which for me is where the biggest problem lies, as long as drugs are illegal we will never know what shit goes into them. Now on balance im not sure whether carte blanche legalisation of drugs is a good idea, but there are arguements there. People are going to get them on account of the incompetence of police forces, so why not earn tax bucks off of them? Just sayin, its somethin to think about. I'm glad Ken brought this up cos no one will ever speak about it since the government have demonised drugs so much that people refuse to even discuss.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 17 2010, 11:32 PM) *
I disagree as alcohol will not kill someone in a night, it's more of a problem with abuse of alcohol overtime. There have been cases with ecstasy that have caused problems to people that were unlucky and have probably not been addicts and abused it.

Alcohol can most definitely kill someone in one night. There is either alcohol poisoning or some type of reckless behavior because of the alcohol.

But overall I can see your point. Most harsh drugs, crack, coke, crystal meth, acid, should stay illegal. To address the OP though, most legalized pharmaceuticals have similar chemical makeups; society just slaps a different name on em.

Fitz
QUOTE (Snoop @ Feb 18 2010, 11:35 AM) *
Alcohol can most definitely kill someone in one night. There is either alcohol poisoning or some type of reckless behavior because of the alcohol.


Yes, but once again that goes back to drinking irresponsibly. Just like driving a car irresponsibly can be fatal. Other drugs can be 'used' responsibly (which may differ from person to person as any amount of drug could be deemed irresponsible by someone who is against them period) and can be fatal.
Big Slim Sweet
Of course weed should be legal. The ONLY possible logic that I can see regarding alcohol being legal while weed isn't is that it's much easier to drink in moderation. You can have a couple of drinks and not be drunk. With weed, once you take a hit, you're generally going to be high.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 18 2010, 01:11 AM) *
Yes, but once again that goes back to drinking irresponsibly. Just like driving a car irresponsibly can be fatal. Other drugs can be 'used' responsibly (which may differ from person to person as any amount of drug could be deemed irresponsible by someone who is against them period) and can be fatal.

True enough, but to be fair it's hard to determine any level of "responsibility" for a drug that's labeled illegal.
Snoop
QUOTE (Sweetness @ Feb 18 2010, 03:26 AM) *
Of course weed should be legal. The ONLY possible logic that I can see regarding alcohol being legal while weed isn't is that it's much easier to drink in moderation. You can have a couple of drinks and not be drunk. With weed, once you take a hit, you're generally going to be high.

Totally depends on where your stuff comes from IMO.
Fitz
QUOTE (Snoop @ Feb 18 2010, 02:48 PM) *
True enough, but to be fair it's hard to determine any level of "responsibility" for a drug that's labeled illegal.


Agreed, though it is why I said taking drugs 'responsibly' may differ from person to person because some may find it irresponsible period.
STEVENSKI
Drugs are good. Overindungance in drugs is bad. Dependancy is worse. But drugs are good.
Fitz
I don't mind drugs in moderation. The only drug I do frequently is the green stuff. After that, the only other ones I have had is coke, pills and speed and in my life time I have probably done all of those about 5-10 times each. So I have never let it get out of hand, just every now and again or on special occasions.
Warlord
Drugs are illegal for 2 reasons.

1.) Outdated moralistic notions of bullshit.
2.) Because unless you demonise drugs to no end, you get dumb-fuck humans who abuse them to the point that it becomes a social epidemic.

For myself, I think most drugs should be legal. People who are going to do them are going to do them no matter what. All we're doing now is wasting time, space, and most importantly, tax-payer's money to fight a losing battle against drugs that can never be won. And in turn, we are fueling thugs in 3rd world countries in the middle-east, and South American shitholes like Colombia, with the money they need to oppress their own people.

The U.S. should just legalize drugs and prostitution tomorrow and tax the hell out of it. Put America back to work, Obama. The legalization of drugs would revolutionize and reinvigorate U.S. farming. We already manufacture the world's largest food output by a LARGE number. If we started producing drugs tomorrow, it would aid our import/export imbalance tremendously, even if we only exported cheap drugs for medicinal purposes.

As for prostitution, again, it would unload the burden on our police departments. It would put pimps in this country who prey on under-privelaged women out of business. And finally, it would do a great deal of good in the U.S. fight against AIDS. Legalized brothels would, by law, force employees to be screened for STDs. No crooked bitches could hook after that, not when the Johns have a safer option. Illegal hookers will be about as common as moonshine at that point.


For the record, I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs. I never have. I think you gotta be a massive idiot to intentionally defile your body that way. I don't visit brothels either. Not because I'm against girls selling sex, but because I have too much pride to ever pay for it. But just because I don't do these things, doesn't mean other people don't have the right to choose, even if they just choose to be stupid. Rich men have made money off the stupid for a long time, and I don't see that fact ever changing.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Warlord @ Feb 18 2010, 09:26 AM) *
Drugs are illegal for 2 reasons.

1.) Outdated moralistic notions of bullshit.
2.) Because unless you demonise drugs to no end, you get dumb-fuck humans who abuse them to the point that it becomes a social epidemic.

For myself, I think most drugs should be legal. People who are going to do them are going to do them no matter what. All we're doing now is wasting time, space, and most importantly, tax-payer's money to fight a losing battle against drugs that can never be won. And in turn, we are fueling thugs in 3rd world countries in the middle-east, and South American shitholes like Colombia, with the money they need to oppress their own people.

The U.S. should just legalize drugs and prostitution tomorrow and tax the hell out of it. Put America back to work, Obama. The legalization of drugs would revolutionize and reinvigorate U.S. farming. We already manufacture the world's largest food output by a LARGE number. If we started producing drugs tomorrow, it would aid our import/export imbalance tremendously, even if we only exported cheap drugs for medicinal purposes.

As for prostitution, again, it would unload the burden on our police departments. It would put pimps in this country who prey on under-privelaged women out of business. And finally, it would do a great deal of good in the U.S. fight against AIDS. Legalized brothels would, by law, force employees to be screened for STDs. No crooked bitches could hook after that, not when the Johns have a safer option. Illegal hookers will be about as common as moonshine at that point.


For the record, I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs. I never have. I think you gotta be a massive idiot to intentionally defile your body that way. I don't visit brothels either. Not because I'm against girls selling sex, but because I have too much pride to ever pay for it. But just because I don't do these things, doesn't mean other people don't have the right to choose, even if they just choose to be stupid. Rich men have made money off the stupid for a long time, and I don't see that fact ever changing.


Good points Warlord, excluding heroin, which is the lowest of the low and should never be legal, the worst thing about drugs isnt the effect it has on its users, its the crime that goes hand in hand with it from the cartels right down to the little pricks on the street.
KENSOFINE
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 17 2010, 06:32 PM) *
I disagree as alcohol will not kill someone in a night, it's more of a problem with abuse of alcohol overtime. There have been cases with ecstasy that have caused problems to people that were unlucky and have probably not been addicts and abused it.


???

A gun can kill someone in a night, and its perfectly legal for civilians to own one. Hell, thats the specific purpose of a gun.

So what makes drugs more dangerous than a legal gun, or a car that can be driven at 120 miles an hour while drunk?
KENSOFINE
QUOTE (Warlord @ Feb 18 2010, 04:26 AM) *
Drugs are illegal for 2 reasons.

1.) Outdated moralistic notions of bullshit.
2.) Because unless you demonise drugs to no end, you get dumb-fuck humans who abuse them to the point that it becomes a social epidemic.

For myself, I think most drugs should be legal. People who are going to do them are going to do them no matter what. All we're doing now is wasting time, space, and most importantly, tax-payer's money to fight a losing battle against drugs that can never be won. And in turn, we are fueling thugs in 3rd world countries in the middle-east, and South American shitholes like Colombia, with the money they need to oppress their own people.

The U.S. should just legalize drugs and prostitution tomorrow and tax the hell out of it. Put America back to work, Obama. The legalization of drugs would revolutionize and reinvigorate U.S. farming. We already manufacture the world's largest food output by a LARGE number. If we started producing drugs tomorrow, it would aid our import/export imbalance tremendously, even if we only exported cheap drugs for medicinal purposes.

As for prostitution, again, it would unload the burden on our police departments. It would put pimps in this country who prey on under-privelaged women out of business. And finally, it would do a great deal of good in the U.S. fight against AIDS. Legalized brothels would, by law, force employees to be screened for STDs. No crooked bitches could hook after that, not when the Johns have a safer option. Illegal hookers will be about as common as moonshine at that point.


For the record, I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs. I never have. I think you gotta be a massive idiot to intentionally defile your body that way. I don't visit brothels either. Not because I'm against girls selling sex, but because I have too much pride to ever pay for it. But just because I don't do these things, doesn't mean other people don't have the right to choose, even if they just choose to be stupid. Rich men have made money off the stupid for a long time, and I don't see that fact ever changing.


Thats the point I am angling toward. Every reason to make drugs illegal is hypocritical. How is porn and Nevada prostitution more moral than drugs, that they should be legal before weed? How is a gun less likely to cause irreversible damage? How is alcohol legal, when they have a shitload of centers dedicated to the effects of its abuse...just like drug rehabs?

I am a reasonably intelligent dude, but I cant find one solid argument for legalizing some forms "potential danger" and criminalizing others.
lloyd mayflower
To be fair, guns arent legal in countries where common sense (occasionally) prevails. Thats always really blew my mind, that right to bear arms shit. Thats pure fucking madness.
Snoop
The few drugs that should definitely remain illegal off the top of my head are crack, heroin, and crystal meth. Those three DESTROY lives.
KENSOFINE
^^^ I get that, but so do guns. There is NO instance where a gun has ANY helpful purpose. AT ALL. NONE. Yet, I can go into Walmart and get a rifle with just my license. How is drugs the lesser of the two evils?
Snoop
QUOTE (KENSOFINE @ Feb 18 2010, 04:35 PM) *
^^^ I get that, but so do guns. There is NO instance where a gun has ANY helpful purpose. AT ALL. NONE. Yet, I can go into Walmart and get a rifle with just my license. How is drugs the lesser of the two evils?

Not arguing that they aren't.

Gun control in this country (USA) is way out of hand, though you'd probably find some instances where people did find their guns "helpful" i.e. preventing robberies, self-defense, whatever. Most of those problems stem from larger systemic issues, but most US citizens are too disinterested to connect the dots.

Either way, defending "gun rights" and demonizing drugs is just the American way: Propagate anything that works in your benefit and demoralize anything that doesn't, even if they have the same adverse results.
KENSOFINE
QUOTE (Snoop @ Feb 18 2010, 12:26 PM) *
Not arguing that they aren't.

Gun control in this country (USA) is way out of hand, though you'd probably find some instances where people did find their guns "helpful" i.e. preventing robberies, self-defense, whatever. Most of those problems stem from larger systemic issues, but most US citizens are too disinterested to connect the dots.

Either way, defending "gun rights" and demonizing drugs is just the American way: Propagate anything that works in your benefit and demoralize anything that doesn't, even if they have the same adverse results.


Well put.
ROLL DEEP
Guns and drugs shouldn't be available to buy or consume. Guns are obviously made for one reason and drugs make people do things that they wouldn't normally do.



I agree that excess alcohol can be just as bad as the above, but surely it's to do with the culture and the way alcohol is consumed as oppose to the actual alcohol itself?


I mean, I don't think there is a bigger binge drinking country than the UK. People here will drink STUPID amounts on the weekends and near enough kill themselves in doing it.


But, places like Italy and Spain, they drink just a few glasses of wine and maybe a few beers, but you very rarely see people in the state you do in England. They're a lot more responsible in drinking.

Why? People can buy alcohol just as easy in the two countries, but its England that have the mentality of cramming as much drink down their throats in a few hours as possible....why is that? Is it to do with the pace of life? Is it to do with the stress of work in the country?



Snoop
QUOTE (KENSOFINE @ Feb 18 2010, 05:34 PM) *
Well put.

Thanks. Just glad to see someone bringing up these type of topics once in a while.
KookedKrack
Brehs you need to check out this documentary "American Drug War: The Last White Hope" there is a lot of eye opening shit in there. I'll see if I can find a link to it and show you how deep the rabbit hole really goes. no homo
Snoop
QUOTE (ROLL DEEP @ Feb 18 2010, 06:03 PM) *
Guns and drugs shouldn't be available to buy or consume. Guns are obviously made for one reason and drugs make people do things that they wouldn't normally do.



I agree that excess alcohol can be just as bad as the above, but surely it's to do with the culture and the way alcohol is consumed as oppose to the actual alcohol itself?


I mean, I don't think there is a bigger binge drinking country than the UK. People here will drink STUPID amounts on the weekends and near enough kill themselves in doing it.


But, places like Italy and Spain, they drink just a few glasses of wine and maybe a few beers, but you very rarely see people in the state you do in England. They're a lot more responsible in drinking.

Why? People can buy alcohol just as easy in the two countries, but its England that have the mentality of cramming as much drink down their throats in a few hours as possible....why is that? Is it to do with the pace of life? Is it to do with the stress of work in the country?

Good question. I think that's the mentality is here in the US. My opinion is because they make underage drinking an overdramatized taboo, so you get all these sheltered suburban kids going BUCK WILD once they get to University or when they first turn 21. It seems like in most of Europe it's taken more casually and there isn't some kind of monumental buildup when they first drink.

But it's a give and take. Without the drinking binges of places like the US, we might not have Fitz's thread of buck nekked women. laugh.gif
Fitz
QUOTE (KENSOFINE @ Feb 19 2010, 12:41 AM) *
???

A gun can kill someone in a night, and its perfectly legal for civilians to own one. Hell, thats the specific purpose of a gun.

So what makes drugs more dangerous than a legal gun, or a car that can be driven at 120 miles an hour while drunk?


Maybe in your country, but here in Australia they have applied common sense and guns are illegal. You require a shooters licence here to own one, and must be in a safe at all time. We have very strict gun laws.
Keith
Weed was legal in the U.S. for a long time. Every major city in the country had "pot bars".

The state of Texas wanted to get rid of Mexicans that were migrating legally and illegally across the border.

Texan congressional leaders pushed Congress to make Marijuana illegal to drive out the Mexicans who seemed as a whole to use it frequently.

They thought it would discouraged Mexicans from wanting to immigrate across the border, and give the state the power to round up the Mexicans who were already here.



Fitz
I have been on board where american's talk about guns like someone talks about different type of beers or something. They don't even go hunting or they talk about their guns that wouldn't even be used for hunting. I find it unbelievable. They just seem to collect them and love them.
Keith
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 18 2010, 04:52 PM) *
Are prostitutes illegal in America? You don't have legal brothels there?


Prostitution is legal in Vegas. There is no Federal law that bans prostitution. Its a State and Local issue.

To totally understand the gun issue, I think you have to be American.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 18 2010, 09:52 PM) *
Are prostitutes illegal in America? You don't have legal brothels there?

Prostitutes are legal only in Reno, not even Vegas I believe. There are so many benefits to making it legal. The only real reason not to is for moral issues, yet we have a lot legal shit that can be considered immoral itself. (shrugs)
Maxy
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 18 2010, 05:51 PM) *
I have been on board where american's talk about guns like someone talks about different type of beers or something. They don't even go hunting or they talk about their guns that wouldn't even be used for hunting. I find it unbelievable. They just seem to collect them and love them.


Yeah that stands out for me too. Completely different mentality towards guns than what we have here. The underground gun culture is growing by the day over here in the inner cities but it's still frowned upon big time to own a gun unless you use it legitimately, for hunting purposes.

Back in the early 90's I was standing outside a doorway in the Arndale centre (Manchester) and a fella came up to me asking if I wanted to buy a gun! Fuck me, I figured I must have been in the right place but not for what I was after! Anyway, even then that was much rarer. Today, with the right contacts, it's piss easy to get hold of a gun but it's not something you would ever talk about. People in general don't own guns over here. In America it seems the norm. The norm to own something that is used to kill someone. Strange mentality for me to grasp as a Brit.

Anyway, as far as drugs go I don't understand why weed is illegal yet tobacco is perfectly fine. You don't ever hear about some mad cunt going on a killing spree cos he had a joint. Fuck me, if I smoke a joint I like to chill out and listen to music. Relax. Have a laugh with me mates. Same as having a drink. Few beers and the conversation gets better. Yet the latter is fine, even though it gives people a sense of courage even if they are the biggest pussy out there. It's fine for a publican to serve you beer all night but once you get in your car and kill some poor fucker it's a travesty.....yet all pubs have car parks.

Hard drugs like Heroin...fuck that, it has no place in society. I've seen a few mates literally change into unrecognizable people within 6 months because of that shit. I had a mate who changed so much he came at me with a knife because I confronted him after he'd insulted my missus. He was like a different person.

Done my share of E, speed and all the other soft drugs like most people have and I don't have an issue with them being illegal, even though they never did me any harm.

Weed though. Fuck it. If the governments deem tobacco to be legal then weed should be right there with it.
Keith
The majority of Americans do not own guns.

However, I find it odd that Maxy doesnt understand why Americans love them.

Something about a Revolution...
Maxy
QUOTE (Keith @ Feb 18 2010, 05:32 PM) *
The majority of Americans do not own guns.

However, I find it odd that Maxy doesnt understand why Americans love them.

Something about a Revolution...


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You speak MY language mate....it ain't the other way around.
Keith
QUOTE (Maxy @ Feb 18 2010, 06:19 PM) *
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You speak MY language mate....it ain't the other way around.


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Your right. It certainly came from your Island.

Americans fell in love with guns the moment our colonists started picking off your British Regulars on that long march from Concord to Boston. black eye.gif
Lil-lightsout
I have known and seen many friends, family members, or aquaintances who have had many things go wrong due to abusing illegal drugs. I have yet to see one good thing in my experience any good come from doing drugs. I personally never did or even tried any type of drug. Always to me it was just a big waste of money which you end up having nothing to show for it. Just me though, by no means am I thinking I am better than anyone or condoning anyone either.I have friends and family that do drugs, it is upsetting to me sometimes, but it is ultimately there decision. Sure some are more responsible with how much they do, and others are out of control. Here are just a few examples of personal experiences of people I knew/know well and things they did cause they were fucked up on drugs.

Friend in HS killed his parents cause he was all doped up.
Cousin in and out of juvenile centers cause of theft and for money to buy drugs.(was a really good fighter too that beat David Reids nehew or cousin years ago).
Another cousin is "way out there" and seems brain dead all the time. He also robbed a store of over $2000.
Uncle ruined his marriage and ended up committing suicide.
Two aquaintances found on streets on separate occasions from heroin addiction.
Yet another cousin almost arrested... was let go cause they were forgiving.
Aquaintance robbed bank cause needed money for drugs.

And just 2 weeks ago my nephews best friend(15yrs old), was kicked out of 9th grade for the rest of the year for having drugs in school. He was an amazing wrestler too, which ended up hurting there schools chances in the states team championships. They lost in the semi-finals by 2 points to the eventual team who won the state championship. Now just imagine all his friends and wrestlers he let down cause he was kicked off the team and now they lost an almost sure win at his weight and they could have been state champs.

Just off the top of my head. I am sure I could think of many more and I just gave brief descriptions. But 100% am I sure they were all cause of abusing drugs.

And I know some do it responsible and put no danger to others which is fine by me. I certainly don't want to argue with anyone about this, just how I feel and I understand others opinions too.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (ROLL DEEP @ Feb 18 2010, 06:03 PM) *
Guns and drugs shouldn't be available to buy or consume. Guns are obviously made for one reason and drugs make people do things that they wouldn't normally do.


I don't buy that Roll. Drugs don't make people do anything what they do is remove their inhibitions & the true person inside comes out. Drugs are not a bad thing people who abuse drugs are a bad thing. Cocaine is a good drug for example. Do I use it daily? No. Do I use it weekly? No. I use it whenever I feel it is appropriate & that can be once or twice a year or once a month or whatever but I do not abuse it. Aee abuse is what is bad. Alcohol is not bad but drinking 10 pints a night means you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that you will eventually meet a new life partner called chirrosis.


QUOTE (ROLL DEEP @ Feb 18 2010, 06:03 PM) *
But, places like Italy and Spain, they drink just a few glasses of wine and maybe a few beers, but you very rarely see people in the state you do in England. They're a lot more responsible in drinking.

Why? People can buy alcohol just as easy in the two countries, but its England that have the mentality of cramming as much drink down their throats in a few hours as possible....why is that? Is it to do with the pace of life? Is it to do with the stress of work in the country?


Maybe the English are just stupid or their drinking laws are? More likely the laws though as Europe has a lot of late night bars whereas in the UK the pubs shut fairly early right? Early closing encourages the "get it in before the Vic closes" mentality.

QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 18 2010, 09:41 PM) *
Maybe in your country, but here in Australia they have applied common sense and guns are illegal. You require a shooters licence here to own one, and must be in a safe at all time. We have very strict gun laws.


I was gutted when that fuckhead Maryin Bryant whacked all those people in Tassie. That meant I could no longer buy myself a AR15 or a 8 shot Mossberg. It is a stupid law as criminals still get guns & use them. I only wanted my guns for hunting Chilean migrant's children.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Feb 19 2010, 04:12 AM) *
Always to me it was just a big waste of money which you end up having nothing to show for it.


Good times Light good times. Glad you taked about abuse rather than use of drugs.
lloyd mayflower
Sorry in advance, but the attitude to guns in America is a fuckin embarrasment, maybe when it gets discussed on TV here they deliberately just show us the morons, but all this shit about the coonstitution and the right to bear arms and people acting like the fuckin world is going to end if they take away your guns. Iv wiped my arse with older pieces of paper than the US constitution and yet you get all these rednecks actin like it was sent down here on a unicorn direct from god.

I may be wrong here but id be prepared to bet that most victims of a shooting are carrying a gun themselves. Violence breeds violence. There is NO excuse for a basic untrained punter like myself to be able to own an assault rifle. NONE!
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Feb 19 2010, 02:17 PM) *
Iv wiped my arse with older pieces of paper than the US constitution and yet you get all these rednecks actin like it was sent down here on a unicorn direct from god.


LOL. I think that the right to bear arms was highly relevant when the constitution was written. Back then every man needed a gun to hunt & survive. The thing is that they had single shot ballmuskets not high powered assault rifles with large magazines.
lloyd mayflower
Yep, but its not relavent when fuckers are shooting up schools and shopping centre
Keith
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Feb 19 2010, 12:33 PM) *
Yep, but its not relavent when fuckers are shooting up schools and shopping centre


Listen, theres a bit of proportionality involved here.

We have 300 million people. How many do you have in the entire UK?

lloyd mayflower
Bout 80 million, but it only took one incident here like the ones you here about wit alarming regularity in the US (The Dunblane school massacre) for the government to launch a massive crack down on guns. Id be very very surprised if the gun crime here was proportionally even in the same ball park as the US, and thats down to one common sense fact, dont sell guns to every fuckin idiot who walks into walmart looking for one
Warlord
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Feb 19 2010, 07:24 PM) *
Bout 80 million, but it only took one incident here like the ones you here about wit alarming regularity in the US (The Dunblane school massacre) for the government to launch a massive crack down on guns. Id be very very surprised if the gun crime here was proportionally even in the same ball park as the US, and thats down to one common sense fact, dont sell guns to every fuckin idiot who walks into walmart looking for one

I'm American, but I agree with everyone here who is against average citizens owning firearms.

The right to bear arms was indeed essential to the American way of life... 100-200 years ago. Life on a new frontier, hostile natives (who had every right to be hostile), and the quartering of British troops were all great reasons to arm American citizens. But that way of life has passed.

The frontier has been settled, the natives have been subdued, and the British were defeated. (Thanks to France, and more pressing matters back home.) The reason we haven't seen Americans disarmed yet is because the Constitution is probably more revered than the bible in the U.S. People, for whatever reason, just aren't too keen on striking shit out of the constitution. They'll make amendments, sure. But outright dismissal? Not so much.

And finally, whether people realize it or not, the after-effects of the civil war still loom large in the American psyche, especially in the southern regions. Most people in America tend to distrust the government, to the point that even though they don't ever really expect to be going head-to-head with them, they still want to be armed. Just in case. I had a history teacher once who summed up the American mentality perfectly. He told me, "When a government no longer serves it's people, it isn't our right, but our duty, to tear it down and replace it with one that does."

Not saying that kind of mentality is right or wrong, but that's just the way it is. And I can tell you one thing, not completely but indirectly and semi-related, there will never be a Tianamen Square incident in the U.S. Not under any circumstances. That may be the one advantage to empowering your average citizens. They can put the fear of God in their government, if it comes down to it.
BGv2.0
I once had one of my CJ classes taught to me by the Police Chief of Victoria, TX. During one exam, he asked the question "Should drugs be legalized, yes or no and give reasons to support your stand".

Now keep in mind this was a group of Criminal Justice Majors.....every single student in that classroom chose to keep drugs illegal. Except me. AND...I got the only A.

Not only did I go on to say that ALL drugs should be legalized....but I took it a step futher and said that they should also be govenmentally produced as well. How taxing the drugs can provide revenue for states. Also how govenmentally produced drugs are safer for the user. I also argued that certain aspects should still be illegal and that designated facilities should be set up that will allow users to use in that facility.

For example....the govenment sets up distribution centers where an addict can come in pay an extreamly low amount and either use there at the facility or at their own home. Being high while operating a vehicle would still be illegal, as would having open drug containers in your vehicle. in other words, you could use at home or at the facility but that would be it....anything else under the influence would not be allowed. If you were to set up centers like this, not only could the user get a safe, low cost fix, but you would have 24 hour staff availabe should the addict ever want to start the rehab process.....what dealer do you know actually attempts to get their customer to quit?

Legalization of ALL drugs would completley kill off SO MANY criminal aspects, it boggles the mind.

Many people argue that legalization would make more people use.....and I think that's a total BS idea. Look at me....I have ZERO to gain for arguing for legalization....I never smoked weed and would not...because I HATED inhaling cigs...so I just never even tried weed because if it has to do with inhaling....it's not for me.

I think you have basically 4 types of people in life related to drug use.

People who will NEVER use drugs of any kind, ever in their entire lives.

People who will simply try them and eventually leave them as part of their past.

People that will use them recreationally their whole life.

People who will use and use and use and never be able to stop.....your basic addict.

I don't think legalizing drugs will turn one type into another....you either are or are not one of those 4.

I got an A on the paper and it surprised all of the class.....but the police Chief said the reason he gave it an A was because with his department being off of TX STATE HWY 59 (a MAJOR runway between TX and Mexico) he loses tons of man hours with his officers having to take care of drug smuggling issues related to that HWY. He stated that the city itself could be more secure and would have less incidents of crimes such as burgleries and assualts if he had the luxery of having his officers focus on just the city and open cases and NOT with all of the drugs coming down the HWY. Legalization would end that entire cat and mouse game.


And knowing is half the battle!

lloyd mayflower
Correct. Who would ever go to a drug dealer when you can nip down the local chemist and get somethin that isnt laced with anthrax. Fuck the drug war, just starve the guys right at the source, end of story. Control distribution, receive taxes, remove shady dealers from the streets.

I also agree on the points about drug users. Personally, I have dabbled and still do. I wouldnt so it any more just cos it was legal. It still would have the same comedown that I can only handle once every couple of months.
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