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1zz
Watched the fight with no audio and scored it 117-110 in favor of Calzaghe who completely wore out Hopkins with feints.
Clear win.Watch it!

Also,
Hopkins was visually gassed by the 6th round and would have been stopped around the 10th had not BH took his 2 minute "breather".

BTW,
Looked old in th Orneales fight.

Now to Jones,

What can Jones do to win?

Show power early.
Use all of his quickness which is still superior to Hopkins to get him into buying feints and make him think.
Throw many lead power shots.

I believe Jones as worn and old as he is will still be the foil to Hopkins.

D-MARV
LOL... You can't say that Calzaghe "clearly" beat Hopkins and not get slammed around here... I agree with you though. I scored it 115-112 twice! 117-110 is way to much in my opinion... You only found 2 rounds to give to Hopkins?

Roy ain't beating Hopkins though. You can forget it. I'm just hoping Roy can last 12 rounds!
KENSOFINE
Roy told the world how to beat him. Pressure him early, and he will cover up. Thats how Roy lost to Tarver, Calz, Danny Green, and now Hopkins. He is more defensive in the sense of covering up during the storm as opposed to the old Roy that would back up and counter the shit outta you. EASY win for Hopkins.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
I don't see Hopkins putting that type of pressure of Jones. Lacy also put a lot of pressure on him, and he countered him pretty well too. In recent years, Hopkins has been one to pick his shots and not put his foot on the gas. Jones got caught against Green in his early onslaught, but I don't see that from Hopkins. Even at this stage I still see Jones being much faster and better on his feet. Hopkins didn't look so hot in his last fight, and I think Jones takes this one by clear decision. Hopkins just won't be busy enough, and Jones will win rounds. He may stun Jones late, but if he doesn't get him out of there, he'll lose a decision.
neophyte7
I watched it again as well and all I saw was Calzaghe pressuring... missing tons of punches and getting countered by Hopkins. Hopkins landed all of the clear clean punches in my view. Honestly, I saw cal miss 7 punches in a row trying to hit Hopkins- no way in hell he beat him 117-110--- LMAO

jones is going to get busted up.. Hopkins was just staying active in his last fight and in the late rounds looked real good... Jones is getting busted up on the inside- his legs are not as good as they used to be that is why he bounces and ends up on the ropes in all of his fights- the guy will try hard because this id BHOP- but Hopkins is motivated to avenge his loss- Hopkins has studied up on RJJ too long- I see TKO for Hopkins in 9
salvador
The funniest thing about this fight is the pricing of the tickets. Seriously, go to Ticketmaster.com and type in $500 tickets and see where it lands you. Who in the hell is going to fly to Las Vegas, get a room, and drop a grand on a couple of tickets off the floor for this in the middle of a recession?

JD
Jones doesn't have the legs to do what Calzaghe did...it was proven when Joe Cal toyed with Roy.
1zz
QUOTE (JD @ Feb 20 2010, 07:23 PM) *
Jones doesn't have the legs to do what Calzaghe did...it was proven when Joe Cal toyed with Roy.



Well Hopkins lack of pressure will let Roy's older legs carry him further.
caneman
If Hopkins is smart & doesn't let RJJ pot shot & stays busy, he will have more than enough to stop RJJ easy!
JD
QUOTE (1zz @ Feb 20 2010, 01:51 PM) *
Well Hopkins lack of pressure will let Roy's older legs carry him further.


Of course...Hopkins ain't going to bang him out, but he will have plenty more in the tank from the 7th on. Roy's legs are gone.
1zz
QUOTE (caneman @ Feb 20 2010, 08:27 PM) *
If Hopkins is smart & doesn't let RJJ pot shot & stays busy, he will have more than enough to stop RJJ easy!


Hopkins isn't stopping anyone.

In his last 11 fights he stopped one man,ODLH which was 6 years ago.
1zz
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 21 2010, 12:43 AM) *
I can see how someone had either guy winning, I had Calzaghe by a point or so, but seriously........scoring it 118-110 and saying Hopkins was going to get stopped is actually pretty damn funny. Not sure what to make of this thread now, if it's a serious one or someone trolling, lol.


My opinion,nothing more,nothing less.

Well since i've been a member on the board longer than most(including you)don't consider it trolling.
JLUVBABY
i base my opinion of this fight off the press conferences ive watched for the build up for this fight... hopkins has a sense of uneasiness around roy jones jr.... that alone i think wil show in the fight... to me hopkins looks like he is taking this fight way more personal than he should rather than taking it as another fighter he needs to beat... making this personal may spell his downfall cuzz he MAY fight off emotions.... who ever said it earlier skill wise jones has the style to forever beat hopkins... hopkins is in a great position to win the fight at this stage of the game but he can make this fight harder rather than easier with the mind set he seems to have... just my opinion...
neophyte7
If you ask me I think Jones may end up looking like William Joppy after this one. This could never be anything but personal for Hopkins and mentally he is as strong as they have ever been in the ring- Jones is getting smashed--
ROLL DEEP
Ain't no way I see Jones beating Hopkins......AT ALL.



The only thing Jones has left is his speed. He's never been a big hitter, he has no legs, ZERO chin, NO defence and in my opinion NO chance.
1zz
Gang,

Remember this an overdue REMATCH.....the first fight ended in a CLEAR UD for Jones,even the most die hard Hopkins fan not to mention Hopkins himself could argue that one.

Jones already dominated Hopkins and has been in his head for the last 17 years.

It will effect him!
caneman
QUOTE (1zz @ Feb 21 2010, 06:45 PM) *
Gang,

Remember this an overdue REMATCH.....the first fight ended in a CLEAR UD for Jones,even the most die hard Hopkins fan not to mention Hopkins himself could argue that one.

Jones already dominated Hopkins and has been in his head for the last 17 years.

It will effect him!


Dominated? LMFAO@ you bro! 204 punches landed for Jones to 176 for Hopkins ain't dominated even in your world! Jones is getting beatdown like he stole something!
Mean Mister Mustard
In their first fight Hopkins lost because he just couldn't catch Jones who at the time had some of the best reflexes in boxing and still had the legs to get away from trouble. Now his reflexes are gone. He relies on laying on the ropes and countering with his still impressive handspeed. It's going to take more than that though to beat Hopkins, even a 45 year old version. I tell you something though, it's not going to be pretty. It will probably be a dog dirty fight featuring lots of moevement followed by lunging shots and clinches.
1zz
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 22 2010, 12:31 AM) *
Ok, now I know for sure you are either trolling, or just hate Hopkins.

Thread: Who should Tarver fight next?
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=117166



Thread: Hopkins-Tarver?
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...&hl=Hopkins



Thread: Hopkins-Tarver?
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=199325



You mention that Tarver should fight Hopkins, then when he does you start discrediting the fight laugh.gif

Here are some other quotes:
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...&pid=119845



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...&pid=123511



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=210442



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=134104



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=404771



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=410590


Sorry man, you are extremely bias against him and add to those quotes, you scored it 118-110 for Calzaghe and you thought Hopkins was on his way to getting stopped if he didn't have a 2 minute breather. That's ridiculous.


I scored it 117-110 not 118.
Just one point shy of one the judges that scored the fight 116-112.

Hopkins body language and Roach's mouth saying take a "break" tells me he was exhausted.
He took 2 minutes off in the 10th for a reason.
neophyte7
I saw Calzaghe missing so many punches. he swarmed Hopkins and was caught with some hard counters yet, he kept his hands moving in his unorthodox fashion, but really he missed an awful lot of punches from my view
JD
I had it 114 - 113 Calzaghe...his activity won it for him when Hopkins seemed to slow down and tire late.

KookedKrack
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 21 2010, 07:31 PM) *
Ok, now I know for sure you are either trolling, or just hate Hopkins.

Thread: Who should Tarver fight next?
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=117166



Thread: Hopkins-Tarver?
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...&hl=Hopkins



Thread: Hopkins-Tarver?
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=199325



You mention that Tarver should fight Hopkins, then when he does you start discrediting the fight laugh.gif

Here are some other quotes:
http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...&pid=119845



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...&pid=123511



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=210442



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=134104



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=404771



http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...st&p=410590


Sorry man, you are extremely bias against him and add to those quotes, you scored it 118-110 for Calzaghe and you thought Hopkins was on his way to getting stopped if he didn't have a 2 minute breather. That's ridiculous.



shok.gif shok.gif shok.gif

DAMN! Credibility Lost.
thisneverworks
This is a very telling quote from Calzaghe (from this article: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=22897&more=1 ):

"It's a big difference between 46-0 and 46-1," Calzaghe said. "If I did lose, that one loss would destroy everything I've done; I'd never forgive myself. Why would I want another fight? It'd mainly be for money - that's the wrong reason."

He makes a valid point in the second half of his statement and I do agree with him that money is the wrong reason. It being a big difference between 46-0 and 46-1, however, I definitely do not agree with at all and speaks to him wanting to protect his record. If he came back and fought Froch and lost, I actually would have more respect for him and not lose respect because he has a loss.

When did boxers lose their way on what legacy actually means?
KookedKrack
QUOTE (thisneverworks @ Feb 23 2010, 12:29 PM) *
This is a very telling quote from Calzaghe (from this article: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=22897&more=1 ):

"It's a big difference between 46-0 and 46-1," Calzaghe said. "If I did lose, that one loss would destroy everything I've done; I'd never forgive myself. Why would I want another fight? It'd mainly be for money - that's the wrong reason."

He makes a valid point in the second half of his statement and I do agree with him that money is the wrong reason. It being a big difference between 46-0 and 46-1, however, I definitely do not agree with at all and speaks to him wanting to protect his record. If he came back and fought Froch and lost, I actually would have more respect for him and not lose respect because he has a loss.

When did boxers lose their way on what legacy actually means?



The 2 men who are considered the greatest boxers ever have losses and when it's all said and done Calslappy wont even be in the top 100 so that slap boxing faggot can keep that protected "0"
Method
QUOTE
"Watched the fight with no audio and scored it 117-110" 1zzz
How much crack did you smoke before watching?
MarzB
Here's what I don't get usually by British fans and media (like Steve Bunce).

The theory that they base Calazaghe's win on is his activity. Bernard easily did more damage wth his punches but Calazaghe was more active. (also slap Emmanual Stewart who mentioned that was a flash knockdown. That was a flush right hand)

Yet, Andre Dirrell was also more active along with being accurate against Froch yet despite the fact his output was more than Froch's, that line of truth doesn't hold there which I think is bullschit selective observation (nothing new).


I had the fight a draw but Calazaghe did nothing but be active IMO.

Back to this fight, I'm utterly amazed that they won't do a COUNTDOWN for this because only hardcore fans are going to get this fight.
lloyd mayflower
I guess you would have to ask the judges what they based Calzaghes win on. But the British (For British, generally read English) media, and British fans are extremely partisan, and it shouldnt surprise you that sometimes holes appear in their logic. Island/Empire mentality. Hard to explain properly
1zz
Here we are on the eve of the fight.

Go Jones!

Whip snaggletooth!
D-MARV
QUOTE (1zz @ Apr 3 2010, 01:03 PM) *
Here we are on the eve of the fight.

Go Jones!

Whip snaggletooth!

+1


WAR JONES!!!
SmartyBeardo
The ONLY question is who is going to end up with more hickies on his neck.

Wake me when "it is finished."
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