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Fitz
I'm making this thread because news like this doesn't deserve it's own thread as I find it sad. I love Morales, one of my favourite fighters of all time but this is what I didn't what to hear (though I did expect). I don't mind fighters like him taking on scrubs, but that's where I draw the line. He is now targeting Pacquiao at 147.

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Morales sets sights on
another Pacquaio fight

Three-division world champion Erik “El Terrible” Morales, the last opponent to defeat Manny Pacquiao, returns from a 2 1/2-year layoff March 27 to headline “The Champion Returns” pay-per-view event, live from Monterrey, Mexico.

Morales (48-6, 34 KOs) may have his sights set on a fourth fight against Pacquaio in the not too distant future, but the iconic Mexican warrior must first get past former WBA lightweight champion and Nicaraguan KO specialist, Jose “Jicaras” Alfaro (23-5, 20 KOs), Mar. 27 in the 12-round main event for the vacant WBC Intercontinental welterweight crown.

“The Champion Returns,” presented by KO Entertainment and Box Latino, is being distributed in the United States by Integrated Sports Media for live viewing at 9 PM/ET – 6 PM/PT on both cable and satellite pay-per-view via iN Demand, DIRECTV, TVN and DISH Network, for a suggested retail price of only $29.95.

At a recent Televisa event honoring Mexico’s best athletes of the last decade, Morales expressed his desire to fight Pacquaio at 147 pounds, in addition to fulfilling his dream of becoming the first Mexican to capture world titles in four different weight classes.

“The two opponents who have defined my career are Junior Jones and Manny Pacquaio,” Morales said. “Defeating Jones (TKO4) was important to me because he had stopped something like 32 Mexicans in previous fights. Defeating Pacquaio (DEC12) is my greatest accomplishment in the ring. I remember seeing him cry after our fight. I would love another chance at Pacquaio and I also look forward to fighting Juan Manuel Marquez in the future. At 147, I’m faster than ever and freer with my body so I can get the most out of it. First, though, is my fight against Jose Alfaro on March 27th in Monterrey on pay per view. Alfaro is a great young fighter and a former world champion. A wicked puncher who will bring his best, he has a big heart into the ring, and always gives fans everything he has.”

In the 12-round co-feature, former 2-time WBA light heavyweight champion Hugo Hernan “Pigu” Garay (32-4, 17 KOs), rated No. 3 by the WBA, meets WBA No. 4 rated Chris “Hard Hittin’” Henry (24-2, 19 KOs) in the WBA Light Heavyweight Eliminator.

Top contender Denver Cuello (19-2-5, 10) squares off against No. 2 Juan “Churritos” Hernandez (15-1, 12 KOs) – continuing the ongoing Philippines-Mexican rivalry, respectively -- in the 12-round WBC Interim Strawweight title fight.

El Paso’s undefeated NABA title-holder David “Nino” Rodriguez (32-0, 30 KOs) takes on 1996 Brazilian Olympian Daniel Bispo (22-12, 16 KOs) in a 10-round Special Heavyweight Attraction.

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So post more sad things in here that really don't deserve their own thread.

Snoop
I can't believe he's using a fight that happened over 5 years ago as a point of reference. Morales would get absolutely MANHANDLED by Pacquiao. Shit he's already been twice now.
Romulus9
Right now, Pacquiao-Morales IV would look and awful lot like Holmes-Ali.

Every commission in the country needs to stand up and say, "Absolutely not!".


Bash Ali, at 54, with an IBU Cruiserweight "Title fight" against Bobby Gunn... in NIGERIA in the next month or two is pretty shameful.
Warlord
QUOTE (Snoop @ Mar 17 2010, 11:18 PM) *
I can't believe he's using a fight that happened over 5 years ago as a point of reference. Morales would get absolutely MANHANDLED by Pacquiao. Shit he's already been twice now.

That's like saying Ali would get MANHANDLED by Chris Arreola now. So the fuck what?

Prime Morales RAPED Pacquiao. Pac got his revenge after Morales was already on the decline. Let's not muck about here, acting like we don't know what's what.
Big Slim Sweet
I'd hardly call it a raping. Morales beat him in a good, tough fight. Pac thumped him in the rematch, where Morales was on the decline but still pretty handy. I'll always give Pac full credit for that one. He was the first man to stop Morales, and that was a big deal, cause El Terrible was unquestionably a guy who prior to that couldn't conceive of ever being stopped.

Third fight meant shit though no question.
Snoop
QUOTE (Warlord @ Mar 18 2010, 04:53 AM) *
That's like saying Ali would get MANHANDLED by Chris Arreola now. So the fuck what?

Prime Morales RAPED Pacquiao. Pac got his revenge after Morales was already on the decline. Let's not muck about here, acting like we don't know what's what.

I'm just using it to point out how absurd is it for Morales to call out Pacquiao at this stage of his "career". I don't see why you're bringing up the first fight. It holds no relevance as to how Morales would perform against Pacquiao today.
STEVENSKI
How was pac & Jones his career defining fights. Don't get me wrong they were & are great accomplishments but when I think of Morales & also think of Barerra. It's like beer & cigarettes they just go well together.
Snoop
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Mar 18 2010, 06:52 AM) *
How was pac & Jones his career defining fights. Don't get me wrong they were & are great accomplishments but when I think of Morales & also think of Barerra. It's like beer & cigarettes they just go well together.

My guess is probably because he still hates Barerra and doesn't want to give any credit to Marco for defining his career.
Warlord
QUOTE (Snoop @ Mar 18 2010, 01:13 AM) *
I'm just using it to point out how absurd is it for Morales to call out Pacquiao at this stage of his "career". I don't see why you're bringing up the first fight. It holds no relevance as to how Morales would perform against Pacquiao today.

No, but it is relevant as to why Pac would beat him. I just don't like people bandying about Morales getting his ass whipped as if though he was some sort of scrub who would get handled by some mythical filipino demi-god.
Warlord
QUOTE (Sweetness @ Mar 18 2010, 01:03 AM) *
I'd hardly call it a raping. Morales beat him in a good, tough fight. Pac thumped him in the rematch, where Morales was on the decline but still pretty handy. I'll always give Pac full credit for that one. He was the first man to stop Morales, and that was a big deal, cause El Terrible was unquestionably a guy who prior to that couldn't conceive of ever being stopped.

Third fight meant shit though no question.

Morales dominated that fight, and even switched stances at the end just to make it a closer, more exciting fight. If that doesn't reek of domination, I don't know what does. Morales was a beast in his prime.
Snoop
QUOTE (Warlord @ Mar 18 2010, 07:08 AM) *
No, but it is relevant as to why Pac would beat him. I just don't like people bandying about Morales getting his ass whipped as if though he was some sort of scrub who would get handled by some mythical filipino demi-god.

So...do you think Morales has a chance against Pacquiao if they fought today?
BigG
With Morales comeback who didn't see this coming? LOL.
Fitz
I'm with you all the way Warlord. It fucking always pisses me off, it's almost as if that Morales beating Pacquiao is forgotten because of what happened in the next 2 fights. I have always brought up how Morales beat Pacquiao easily in that fight and a lot easier than the scores showed. Morales literally fucked around with Pacquiao in that fight by switching to southpaw in two of those rounds just because he was macho (which as much as I love him, is idiotic at times) and he lost those round and basically gave them to Pacquiao just for the fans. He was on the decline as well even when he won. Though that's not to say Pacquiao hasn't improved since then. The other impressive thing about Morales win over Pacquiao was that he was coming off a loss to Barrera.
I also don't give Pacquiao as much credit for the second win as others do. I do give Pacquiao credit, don't get me wrong, but not as much as others were giving him. I look at it similar to Toney-Holyfield that it was impressive to stop a guy who has never been stopped.
Just prior to that fight, he lost big time to Raheem, haha and then in his next fight with Pacquiao he lost. I don't know about others, but to me it wasn't a coincidence that he lost to Raheem where he didn't look great and then lost again to Pacquiao and got progressively worse from there on. At that age, to me they are signs of someone declining even further.
The other thing everyone always ignores is Morales moving up and down in weight that late in his career. Fights Pacquiao at 130, moves up to 135 for the first time straight after, loses and then moves back down to 130. That hardly is good for someone at his age and would have taken an effect. Much like Jones moving up to heavyweight and then moving back down and not being the same.
Lil-lightsout
I am shocked, another boxer WAY past his prime coming back for more. I just do not get it. Does he need money or something?
Warlord
QUOTE (Snoop @ Mar 18 2010, 02:17 AM) *
So...do you think Morales has a chance against Pacquiao if they fought today?

NO. Because he is past his prime. Period. It bears repeating, especially when you guys conveniently seem to keep forgetting it.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Warlord @ Mar 18 2010, 12:53 AM) *
That's like saying Ali would get MANHANDLED by Chris Arreola now. So the fuck what?

Prime Morales RAPED Pacquiao. Pac got his revenge after Morales was already on the decline. Let's not muck about here, acting like we don't know what's what.


Not sure I agree with you on this. Maybe yourself and perhaps Fitz feel like Morales won that fight easily but I didn't see it that way (and I was rooting for Morales in that fight, I hardly knew who Pac was) and I thought Pac gave him a good tussle. Definately he had his moments in that fight, but still a great win for Morales.

I might add that Pac was a very crude slugger in that fight up, NOWHER near his prime, against a guy like Morales who was close to the prime of his career and with all those ring smarts Morales SHOULD have beaten, what was at that time, the fairly limited fighter in front of him.

It would be interesting to see them fighting in their respective primes I think it could've been greater than the Morales/Barerra trilogy.
Snoop
QUOTE (Warlord @ Mar 18 2010, 09:00 AM) *
NO. Because he is past his prime. Period. It bears repeating, especially when you guys conveniently seem to keep forgetting it.

Which is why it's ridiculous he brings Pacquiao's name up now, hence the reason I made the initial comment. It wasn't a comment on his legendary career or anyone forgetting about his first victory over Pacquiao; that's a conclusion you drew yourself.

The point still stands that he would get "MANHANDLED" by Pac TODAY. Doesn't mean he didn't school Pacquiao before; it just has no relevance in judging how he would do now or how silly it is to call Manny out today.
JD
Morales and Barrera should fight. I am convinced those two could enter the ring using walkers, and they would make for a great fight.
tymoney
QUOTE (Warlord @ Mar 17 2010, 11:53 PM) *
That's like saying Ali would get MANHANDLED by Chris Arreola now. So the fuck what?

Prime Morales RAPED Pacquiao. Pac got his revenge after Morales was already on the decline. Let's not muck about here, acting like we don't know what's what.


Yea but Ali is not tryna get in the ring with Arreola so theres no need of bringing that up. Morales is trying to get in the ring with Pac, which is not the smartest thing to do at this point. No one is arguing or ignoring the fact that Morales whooped his ass yrs ago, but in 2010 I highly doubt that will happen. I'll take a prime Morales over a prime Pac anyday.. but the keyword here is PRIME.. and Morales is far past it.
Method
With Warlord all the way on this one.

Agree with JD too.
BigG
QUOTE (Fitz @ Mar 18 2010, 07:54 AM) *
I'm with you all the way Warlord. It fucking always pisses me off, it's almost as if that Morales beating Pacquiao is forgotten because of what happened in the next 2 fights. I have always brought up how Morales beat Pacquiao easily in that fight and a lot easier than the scores showed. Morales literally fucked around with Pacquiao in that fight by switching to southpaw in two of those rounds just because he was macho (which as much as I love him, is idiotic at times) and he lost those round and basically gave them to Pacquiao just for the fans. He was on the decline as well even when he won. Though that's not to say Pacquiao hasn't improved since then. The other impressive thing about Morales win over Pacquiao was that he was coming off a loss to Barrera.
I also don't give Pacquiao as much credit for the second win as others do. I do give Pacquiao credit, don't get me wrong, but not as much as others were giving him. I look at it similar to Toney-Holyfield that it was impressive to stop a guy who has never been stopped.
Just prior to that fight, he lost big time to Raheem, haha and then in his next fight with Pacquiao he lost. I don't know about others, but to me it wasn't a coincidence that he lost to Raheem where he didn't look great and then lost again to Pacquiao and got progressively worse from there on. At that age, to me they are signs of someone declining even further.
The other thing everyone always ignores is Morales moving up and down in weight that late in his career. Fights Pacquiao at 130, moves up to 135 for the first time straight after, loses and then moves back down to 130. That hardly is good for someone at his age and would have taken an effect. Much like Jones moving up to heavyweight and then moving back down and not being the same.


Morales was definitely past it by the 2nd meeting but he wasn't a total shell like the 3rd fight. I give Pac credit for win # 2. I don't know, I also remember Morales having alot of weight problems for the 3rd fight.

Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Mar 18 2010, 07:54 AM) *
I'm with you all the way Warlord. It fucking always pisses me off, it's almost as if that Morales beating Pacquiao is forgotten because of what happened in the next 2 fights. I have always brought up how Morales beat Pacquiao easily in that fight and a lot easier than the scores showed. Morales literally fucked around with Pacquiao in that fight by switching to southpaw in two of those rounds just because he was macho (which as much as I love him, is idiotic at times) and he lost those round and basically gave them to Pacquiao just for the fans. He was on the decline as well even when he won. Though that's not to say Pacquiao hasn't improved since then. The other impressive thing about Morales win over Pacquiao was that he was coming off a loss to Barrera.
I also don't give Pacquiao as much credit for the second win as others do. I do give Pacquiao credit, don't get me wrong, but not as much as others were giving him. I look at it similar to Toney-Holyfield that it was impressive to stop a guy who has never been stopped.
Just prior to that fight, he lost big time to Raheem, haha and then in his next fight with Pacquiao he lost. I don't know about others, but to me it wasn't a coincidence that he lost to Raheem where he didn't look great and then lost again to Pacquiao and got progressively worse from there on. At that age, to me they are signs of someone declining even further.
The other thing everyone always ignores is Morales moving up and down in weight that late in his career. Fights Pacquiao at 130, moves up to 135 for the first time straight after, loses and then moves back down to 130. That hardly is good for someone at his age and would have taken an effect. Much like Jones moving up to heavyweight and then moving back down and not being the same.

I would even argue that Morales was a bit past his prime in the first Pacquiao fight and still handled it quite nicely. Don't get me wrong, Morales is a legend in his own right, but he shouldn't be calling Pac out at this stage of the game; not when he's been away for almost 3 years, lost his last 4 fights, and has never stepped into the ring past 135. It's just silly and really just an attempt at a huge paycheck. It really saddens me when fighters still need money after having all these high-profile fights.
Douchebag
EL Terrible gave Manny a boxing lesson in the first fight, those debating it need to rewatch it. He was giving him a boxing lesson in the second fight also until he gassed and couldn't deal with Manny's pressure anymore. He was shell of himself in the third fight and doesn't even count IMO.
Big Slim Sweet
Morales was handling Pacquiao in the rematch until Pac's body shots broke him down and Pac started putting them thangs on him. That Raheem fight had fuck all to do with their rematch. Raheem was a terrible style match up for Morales. He never hurt Terrible. He ran and touched. Morales even acted disgusted by him at times. Fuck the Zahir Raheem fight.

Pac stopped Morales which at the time was unthinkable, and it wasn't like what Toney did to Holyfield cause Evander HAD been stopped before, by Bowe. Nor was it like what Tarver did to Jones cause that was one big shot. Pac beat him up and knocked him out before anyone else had ever come close.

People act like Morales beating Pac the first time ends the discussion permanently. You could just as easily say Pacquaio hadn't reached his prime yet the first time they fought. Morales entered the ring for their rematch IMO past his prime but still a proud warrior and a tough as nails SOB. He left the ring permanently in pieces. Pac ruined whatever was left of him, and you could literally see it happening before your eyes.

Hey, we all love Terrible and most of you all hate Pac but sour grapes taste like shit.
BigG
Sweetness Raheem actually did hurt Morales in that fight. He almost put him down in round 5 and rocked him on some other occasions.
Snoop
Of course BigG is the first to step in and defend Raheem. laugh.gif
yuca
anybody believe that if Roach would have made Clottey go down to 145 the result would have been different?...I understand that Clottey didn't have the guts to open up and make it a fight and went with the goal of finishing unmarked, most likely he looked at himself in the mirror and laughed. The money is already in the bank and he doesn't have to worry about having gotten his brain rattled ala Cotto. He was going to lose anyway, and Roach was very amiable to let him weight 147 and keep his stamina to take those punches in his shell without getting ktfo...



The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Fitz @ Mar 18 2010, 06:21 AM) *
Ollie, Morales was close to his prime in that fight. He was still good, but no where near his prime. Also when I say that Morales beat Pacquiao easily, I think he handled him comfortably. I scored it about 7-5 or 8-4 for Morales. In one of the rounds he switched southpaw and gave the round to Pacquiao and in round 12 he switched southpaw and gave that round to him as well as he got a little rocked.
I thought Morales won it pretty comfortably and was still able to afford to gift Pacquiao some rounds. Without giving him those rounds, it could have been a 9-3 type of card. As like I said, Morales gave Pacquiao at least one round, though it was probably 2 rounds.


I agree mostly with this, Morales clearly won against a young and very limited Pac-man. However as much as he clearly won it was a tough fight and the kinda fight where Manny had moments in many of the rounds even if he then went on to lose the round. The sort of fight where the scorecrads don't possibly tell the whole story.

I'd say it was the start of the steep decline that Morales went into and Manny has gone on to significantly improve since then, stylistically he is hardly the same fighter. Don't think I'm anti Morales, I'm a huge fan of his and was cheering for him to win all 3 fights but that 1st fight I also came away a new fan of Pac.

I agree with Sweetness, Pac-haters tend to point to that 1st Morales fight as if it shows that Manny really isn't all that good, but hell the due had no amateur experience and wsa pretty much learning on the job, he hadn't been with Roach all that long either.

Morales should and did handle business like I would expect him to.

What we have to accept is that they fought at very very different stages of their careers.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (Snoop @ Mar 18 2010, 07:00 AM) *
My guess is probably because he still hates Barerra and doesn't want to give any credit to Marco for defining his career.


We all know Mexicans from Mexico City are the worst kind of Mexicans.
Snoop
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Mar 19 2010, 01:41 AM) *
We all know Mexicans from Mexico City are the worst kind of Mexicans.

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The Chief Haterizer would the best one to make that judgment IMO.
Method
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As good as Pacquiao is, he is the most beatable P4P #1 I have seen for a while.
Except I have him at #3.
moscow bear
QUOTE (Method @ Mar 20 2010, 04:36 AM) *
Except I have him at #3.


exactly Meth, Wlad is a solid #2 P4P
AussieLad
D-MARV
Look at this bitch! his wife is pretty too.



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Lil-lightsout
So Morales has his PPV this weekend. And he has to compete with Showtime and HBO showing some good quality fights. Does not seem like a successful PPV to me.
King Eugene
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Mar 26 2010, 12:14 AM) *
So Morales has his PPV this weekend. And he has to compete with Showtime and HBO showing some good quality fights. Does not seem like a successful PPV to me.

I was surprised he jump straight to PPV. You would think after being gone for so long you'd want to go on free TV and do well. Almost like and advertisement so for your next fight there will be a buzz and you can then charge those PPV prices for it. I dont know...it could be just me but that sounds pretty logical to me.
D-MARV
I read that Juan Diaz-Juan Manuel Marquez II is almost a done deal... I like the fight because the first one was an actionpacked fight but it's on HBO PPV?

Whats up with that?
King Eugene
QUOTE (StyleZ @ Mar 26 2010, 07:56 AM) *
I read that Juan Diaz-Juan Manuel Marquez II is almost a done deal... I like the fight because the first one was an actionpacked fight but it's on HBO PPV?

Whats up with that?

dang near everything is going to PPV now days. Goodness gracious! huh.gif
Snoop
QUOTE (StyleZ @ Mar 26 2010, 11:56 AM) *
I read that Juan Diaz-Juan Manuel Marquez II is almost a done deal... I like the fight because the first one was an actionpacked fight but it's on HBO PPV?

Whats up with that?

Two fighters both coming off losses to rematch a fight that doesn't really need one in the first place? This isn't PPV worthy.
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