I'm not one for complaining but...

Dirrell repeatedly hit Abraham with low blows and the ref did very little about it during the fight. I watched the fight again this morning....Dirrell hit him low with the straight jab to the mid-section below Abrahams trunk line 4 or 5 different times. The ref instructed Dirrell to keep it up 1 time.

Oh come on, that was far from an ass beating. Abraham had him in survival mode at the end of the fight.

Dirrell dominated this clown. That was no jermain taylor in there last night.

and that illegal shot just was the icing on the cake who knows he was about to take an L.


anyway....I can't wait to see ward vs green. Green just strikes me as the type that thinks he is elite and should be a superstar but only thing I remember him for is ko'ing jaidon, getting buzzed against his sparring partner on espn, getting walked over by Miranda (when he was sick in his defense) and looking like garbage against travis simms

Abraham hit him behind the head and held his head down and hit several times. And Abraham was whining too much about those low blows, none of which were in dangerous territory.

I happen to believe that if Abraham hadn't have thrown that stupid last punch, he had a very good chance of getting the ko. Dirrell was hurt and Abraham had the gas and the power to end it.

That was a stupid punch and it's very possible that Dirrell never fully recovers from it.

Keith, go back and watch the fight. Dirrell won EVERY single minute of the fight for 9 and a half rounds. Abraham started to come on but I'm in the minority thinking that he wouldn't have caught Dirrell. His punches were out of desperation. I like King Arthur too but he recieved a lesson last night.

I was thinking the same thing. He rip that shot right on the chin on a guy sitting down no defense at all no expecting it. When Tarver mentioned his right leg was twitching, I was like damn man.

I know 1 thing,after watching it several times,it looked like dirrel was going down with that last straight right that was flush that abraham landed!Tha Fucn dude was in survival mode.And im going to say it again!abraham would have finished him!

In the end, Abraham cheated himself out of what looked like a very good chance for a dramatic come from behind KO.

That said, Lawrence Cole sucks...he is out of position, he misses a ton of shit, and he breaks the action at the most bizarre times.

I am a fan and no way do I want to see a rematch and wanted it a NC. Fuck AA and his illegal cheap shot out of frustration. Dirrell trained his ass off and SHOULD have won regardless. It is not his fault Abraham cheated and decided to break the rules, the DQ was 100% warranted.

I have seen MANY fighters hold back from punching opponents when they slipped to the canvas. There is no valid excuse, it was out of frustration cause he was losing badly. I do not understand what you mean by "doesn't register", and I have boxed a pretty damn long time, and I have never seen it happen or happen to me. You the fighter KNOW the other fighter is down, it is your decision if you want to punch or not punch when the other guy is down. It was a blatant cheap shot, Dirrell was down long enough where AA saw him and THEN threw that last shot. It is despicable anyway I look at it, and there is NO excuse for it.

I wouldn't say would so much as i'd say could. I agree with you that Abraham was coming on. He was timing and catching Dirrell. It may have been a matter of time. Dirrell is very good at playing cat and mouse. He was tiring down the strecth and I think Abraham was counting on that. Dirrell may very well have held on for those last 2 rounds.

Anybody else starting to notice a trend with Dirrell? Does he seem to slip and fall more often than most fighters. I'm sure there was some wetness in those corners, but probably no more than usual. Does this guy use the slip and fall as part of his defense? I've seen a few of his fights. Many times when his opponent gets close, its slip and fall, action stops, get up, reset. This happens a lot with this guy. No excuse for what happened after the slip and fall, but I just find Dirrell's slipping and falling to be excessive.

Then why did the dumb fuck cheat??? Obviously AA did not share your same confidence.

I agree that Abraham was coming on a bit but I'm certainly not ready to say that Abe was gonna knock Dirrell out. what I saw was a man coming foward recklessly throwing desperate shots. Dirrell was still moving and countering.

In my opinion...from the 10th Round on, Abraham had about a 10% chance of a KO victory...he was throwing desperate, lunging, tired shots...


I don't like Dirrell...but anyone who's objective has to say that he absolutely schooled Abraham Rounds 1-9...he was very accurate with his punches and showed he had a good chin and some pop....

I think he started to "get nervous" in the 10th, but I see him preserving that win by any means necessary if he hadn't suffered that ultimate foul....

Thats exactly how I saw it. Abraham was exposed a bit. He looked VERY SLOW and Clumsy. I NOW know that Ward is the best 168lber in the world.

I don't think Abraham was exposed at all. I always thought Dirrell would have the tools to outbox him and that is exactly what happened. I even predicted Abraham coming back having lost most of the rounds to score an 11th round knock out.

I got that bang on.....oh wait a minute....disqualified. Damn.

Just like several poster before me have stated.It was in the heat of the battle.Fuck the slip!he was heading towards the canvas from the straight right that AA through.Does anyone see this ?or am I seeing something that know one else is seeing?

I see you lost money.

I made 320.

lol...

Andre Dirrell should change his nickname from "The Matrix" to "The Teacher". He fucking schooled that man!

I knew that Dirrell's supreme skills and speed were going to easily outclass AA, but I didn't think that Arthur would become as desperate as he did. He had absolutely no answer for The Teacher's lesson.

Absolutely none!

Dirrell OWNED him.

Made some dough on that fight myself.

Big day for me yesterday... made some loot off of Dirrell & Guzman.

I also put $200 on a 3 Fight Parlay I was talkin' about in the Betting Thread...Dirrell winning last night was the 1st step...all I need now is for Froch to beat Kessler and Pavlik to beat Martinez...could be a nice hit.

Not AS confident about those as I was for last night's fight though...

CEO... Don't worry about Froch and Kessler, it's a done deal! Last night was a good look for Froch. Im going to lay heavy on Froch... I'm thinking $350. The only other time I bet that large on 1 fight was Chambers-Peter.

I think people consistently underrate Froch.

I like him to make Kessler very uncomfortable and handle him.

JD, I think people underrate him because of his style and personality. He comes across like "My shit don't stink" prick. Froch is tough though. I think last night made Froch look better because Dirrell had a much tougher time with him than Abe. I really don't see any way Kessler beats him. I think froch has his way with him and may get the stoppage.

His style can be ugly...though he does have skills when he chooses to use them. He has a very good sense of distance, terrific stamina, and a ton of will.

I think Froch - Abraham is going to be a terrific fight.

Thanks Brother.

I was there but I went away for a few years working on a film and some other things. Method put a gun to my head threatening me to get my ass back here. LOL

I use to post on boxinqtalk and the maxboxing boards.

I am happy to be back.

Hmmmmm....interesting.

I find it difficult to have faith in a neanderthal like Froch...fighting Kessler in Denmark.




I can AGREE with that...somewhat...lol

He's good for what he is...which is a limited, despicable, determined, mauling spoiler type...in hindsight, it was his unsavory behavior/style that made Dirrell hold and flop the way he did in Nottingham...if Froch hadn't gotten frustrated and assaulted Dirrell the way he did, it could have been so wide that they couldn't even rob him over there...lol

I'm basically picking Froch because I know Kessler is mentally and physically soft.

What's up Black?!

Good points. You know what is amazing about this whole thing is this. Remember the Barrera vs JMM fight? And Barrera hit him while he was down. The ref didn't DQ - he deduced a point from Barrera because JMM was given 5 minutes to recover. I don't know all of the rules but it appears to be that its all up to the Ref to decide if to DQ a fighter or not. Plus whay the Hopkins vs Echols rematch. One guy gets bodyslam, there a late hit on the break, another guy gets drilled behind the head and no DQs - just warnings and points taken away.

I have stated many times over I don't know if Dirrell was faking it or not and I don't think King Arthur's shot was dirty. It appeared to my eyes it was as you stated Arthur was pressing forward. I know the feeling from sparring.

I would not call Arthur a dirty fighter BUT he is a rough fighter. This is prize fighting not table tennis.

The Number one rule: "Protect yourself at all times!"

I don't think Dirrell was totally faking it but the more I see it the more I'm inclined to believe that he exaggerated the effects of that punch.

I'm sure he could have gotten up but that's not to say I have any qualms about the DQ. Abraham hit him when he was down and that's the way it goes.

Dirrell though, man, he's still a complete bitch in my eyes....even though he looked a lot better than in the Froch fight.

I am just comparing things Snoop. Adding some perceptive because you stated that King Arthur's statement was classless.

We just agree to disagree because I don't think it was.

Fighters disrespect each all of the time. Its part of the game. Their mind-set is this " You have to make me respect you!"

And when you have one guy who fought with a broken jaw for 8 rounds and another know for flopping around the ring than you are going to have one thinking he's BSing.

Echols said the same thing after he bodyslammed Bhops in their rematch and as Hopkins roll around in pain. " Bernard is FAKING it!"

This is a rough sport.

It makes me laugh when I hear people say that such and such fighter shouldn't have reacted this way or said that. Hopkins made this statement after fight Kieth Holmes and George Foreman called him a dirty fighter. The same George Foreman who cold cock Frazier on the back of the head.

I have always had a theory about boxing, unlike other sports with the exception of tennis. It is a one on one sport. You have no teammates to calm you down or a coach to call time out and pull you out of the game and have you cool off.

In boxing your true character will be revealed.

And some fighters pull games ... such as King Arthur from the fights I have seen of him has always complained body shots. Dirrell flops and bends at the waist, Hopkins will grab and hit people low, PBF uses his elbow to create space, and I could go on.

Many fighters will tell you that they will do whatever it takes to win!

I did a interview with O'Neil Bell a few years ago and I asked him about his first fight against Mormeck.


"A lot of people said that you were hitting behind his head on purpose. How do you answer this? "

His answer -

"I am going to tell you like this. The rules says clearly protect yourself at all times. And if a man deliberately turns the back of his head to me than I got no choice but to take his ass out. It’s up to the ref to stop the fight. And if he does it again I will bust his ass again. That could be advantage to his end by turning his head hoping I won’t hit him but I will crack you to the fullest. You know what I am saying? I abide by the rules. Protect yourself at all times. You know not to bend over below the belt you know not to turn your head to the fighter. He suffered the consequences and went down."

Like is said we just agree to disagree. Much respect for your passionate though.

Direll was winning the fight before Abraham panicked and drilled him but he was not "owning" him and that sucks for everyone else who fights Abraham because the man ihas proven to be dangerous from rounds 1-12, whether you are on your feet or off.

Froch might be an awkward bully but he does have skills, you don't beat Pascal, Taylor and Direll by being a cavemen. He is nothing like Mayroga because he actually implements defensive moves and has a jab.

Ward, in my eyes, might be the guy to win it all seeing him being able to mix in outside boxing with inside dirty clinchings. I also like how he headbutts guys and gets away with it. Everyone is still a live dog though because they can all beat each other on a given night. These are after all, the best guys in the division.

We don't know if WARD is the best yet. Just because Ward schooled Mikkel Kessler doesn't mean he won't get beat by Allan Green or Dirrell. That's why we have the Super Six. The last man standing will be the best. We have a lot of fights left. Styles make fights.

It's funny how there are still people saying, "he was faking" (which is subjective and pretty much you're sick puppy but I understand thats the cyber way for some) as opposed to admonishing Abraham for a clear foul.

Abraham "says" he didn't see him. Ok let me ask this. The guy isn't in front of you and you CLAIM you were blinded by your peripherals. The guy is taller than you by a couple inches. If he's NOT to the left or right or in front of you, WHERE DO YOU THINK HE IS?? Oh the "I didn't know he was down" thing but I know EXACTLY where to AIM my shot on a guy who's at my KNEE level who's taller than me. That doesn't mean he's DOWN, it just means he's ducking RIGHT??

And some people believe this bullschit. Get outta here. Myself and others have described what was going on in the fight. Abaraham getting "boxed off" lends definitely more to him throwing an illegal frustration shot than Direll "faking". But hey, you guys who say he was faking were HIT with the shot so you'd know. You're the experts (sarcasm)

Im aware of that... Ward still has a lot to prove but right now he has to be the front runner.

People are criticizing Abraham for fouling. I think you're getting things twisted here. No one is saying this is Direll's fault, abraham had no right to hit him while he was down. There is however, some doubt as to whether Direll was really KO'd or not. Regardless of whether he was or not, Abraham is still in the wrong here. Now calm down.

Dirrell owned him for 10 rounds man.

Co-Sign.

Owned was Hopkins-Trinidad or Barerra-Hamed where one guys lands a ton of clean punches and has his way with the other. Direll was outworking him but he was still getting hit and moreover was slowing down considerably. You want to call that owned, go ahead. I would rather call it a lesson. In fact, later on I'm going to make a list of boxing terminology explaining each one. I will be focusing on definitions of "Robbery", "Close fight", "Edged", "Schooled", "owned" and "KTFO".

We don't know yet. That could all chance if lets say Green knocks him out in the next fight. Does Green become the favorite?! No. That's the beauty of this whole of the Super Six. This is old school - the best fighting the best. Ward is good but some people may say that Green will be unlike any fighter that he fought. Green is a big, fast and powerful super middleweight in his own right. He has the ability to beat every fighter in the Super Six. the question remains does he have the heart and will. How would Ward fare against Carl Froch who likes it rough and touch? I am not going to label any of these guys the favorite because any of them can get beat. This is why they fight the fights.

LOL... O.K, I respect you're opinion... I favor Ward to win the whole thing... Does that mean he's going to win it? No.

dirrell did look better last night than against froch, but i think it was much more of a style thing. it's easy to look good and prepare for a guy who you know will be covering up a lot. dirrell was definitely unraveling from the shots he was taking in the 10th and abraham had a very good chance of koing him in the championship rounds, but that's not to say that it would have happened. dirrell could have moved and won the decision. i don't like when fighters hit downed opponents, so the dq was right on. i did see clearly at least 5 low blows by dirrell. there's not use defending or arguing that, but that's boxing and they didn't seem to be intentional, but they happened. i don't know if dirrell was faking it. it didn't seem like he was faking to me, though maybe that was his good acting skills. if he wasn't faking though, i think this may be the beginning of the end for dirrell in boxing. i think mentally he's going to be affected by the punch the rest of his ring career and if his reaction was that bad then it shows he's a bit chinny and other fighters will exploit it.

on a side note, what is all this childish u.s. vs euro stuff? does anyone here really care about that? personally if i like a fighter i don't care where he's from and i'm not going to cheer for some douchebag just because he's from the u.s.

This is more than a championship. This is a territory war... Represent you're colors bro!

haha!

5:28...AA knew what he was doing

LMAO at :12... King Arthur was like "What?, What you tryna do PAUTNA?"

Exactly.

Some people don't see that though and others think that Brits give a shit about Europeans.

You can see clearly starting in Round one Abraham from shots to the body was dropping his hands looking away. There are low blows (see Cotto vs. Judah and the Foul Pole himself Golotta vs. Bowe I & II) then there are borderline belt shots. Your cup is usually following the guides of your trunk lining so for a low blow really to have impact, it's going to have to go below the trunk lining.

That happened much less than there were body shots on Abraham where he would extend his arms whining. Dirrell did more of what worked against Froch staying in the center of the ring. You knew Abraham was going to pressure but would it be enough. When Dirrell was in the corner and that incompetent moron of a ref Lawrence Cole stepped in (when he shouldn't have), Abraham wasn't landing much. In that flurry I counted one punch landing.

I'm reading now Sauerland is filing a protest,lol. Thats comedy in itself but the chickens have come home to roost. One of the shadiest promoters is filing a protest,lol? On what grounds? As far as the future of the tournament, Allan Green is talking a LOT of nonsense about Ward. I think he'll be outboxed personally. I really don't care about the Froch vs Kessler fight but Kessler should EASILY win that match up. Sorry I see NOTHING redeeming in Froch save that he's TOUGH.

Unfortunately Abraham's next fight will more than likely be in Germany and whether he fights and American or Euro, I think the deck will be stacked on his side FAVORABLY based on Sauerland influence there..

Correct, i'm sick of repeating it, but heres some examples. I like Hatton and Mosely, hate Khan and Mayweather.

As far as colours go, Heres mine, note the lack of any euro'ness



But seriously, I dont understand why this U.S perpetuated rivalry continues. Specially considering our colours are stained with the blood of troops fighting alongside you in your illegal wars