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Byrd Man
I saw this article today about the fight, and while I don't agree 100% with his view of the outcome, I do think he points out some very solid reasons why this may not be an easy fight for Haye. I think many people think that Haye is just going to beat the shit out of Ruiz, but I don't think so. I'd love to see a Wlad v. Haye fight, but I don't think that Haye will get past Ruiz, the more I think about it.

I think Ruiz has that style about him that makes it a living hell for fighters to go through. He's gotten better at not doing that grabbing shit, but he's still very good at tying up boxers and making them fight the way he wants.

I think that Ruiz will take a decision against Haye on Saturday.

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WHY RUIZ IS GOING TO DESTROY HAYE ON SATURDAY NIGHT

by Scott Gilfoid
If you were to look at John Ruiz and WBA heavyweight champion David Haye side by side, you would probably come to the quick conclusion that the 38-year-old Ruiz has no chance this Saturday night against the younger, stronger, faster 29-year-old Haye. You would be wrong, though, because Ruiz may not be as young or as fast as Haye, but I believe he is a lot smarter fighter and much tougher.

Haye likes to think of himself as an intelligent boxer/puncher, but in terms of his boxing skills, Haye is a pretty basic fighter. Heís not the type of guy thatís going to out-box anyone other than maybe the lumber, slow-footed former World Boxing Association heavyweight champion Nikolay Valuev. Thatís not that big of an accomplishment, really. Haye hasnít had to depend on boxing skills to get him by all these years. He instead has almost entirely depended on using his ability to slug it out with his opponents to get his wins.

Itís been even easier for him because heís fought almost exclusively in the cruiserweight division, which is perhaps the weakest division in all boxing right now and has been for ages. Haye believes that heís going to be able to take Ruiz out without too much trouble, and many of Hayeís own countrymen feel the same way. They see Ruiz, note that he doesnít look very powerful, and figure that Haye will be able to take him out without problems.

Itís going to be a brutal shock to them and to Haye when he fights himself taking a beating at the hands of Ruiz on Saturday. The reason why itís going to happen is because Ruiz is a much more skilled fighter than Haye in my view, and someone who is incredibly hard to fight because of the different things that Ruiz brings to the table.

You canít really predict what Ruiz will do in any one instance, because he fights in a variety of styles and is able to change at any moment. Ruiz can be an incredibly tough inside fighter, throwing power shots to the body and hard uppercuts to the head. If he wants to shut you down completely, he can do that by using his punch and grab technique, which he is a master at.

On the inside, Ruiz is skilled at wrestling with his opponents round after round without tiring. Iíve never seen one of his opponents that could wrestle as well as Ruiz. Heís just a level above other fighters at this kind of inside game. Ruiz can also throw down when he wants to, and can show some really good power with both hands. He doesnít show it all the time, but instead throwing medium strength punches and then all of a sudden loading up on a big shot and hurting his opponent. Like I said, Ruiz is hard to predict.

Of Ruizís three losses in the past five years, only one of them Ė his defeat by Ruslan Chagaev Ė looked legitimate to me. I think Ruiz got totally messed around in his two defeats against Valuev. Both fights took place in Germany, where Valuev conducts his fights. Basically, I only see Ruiz having been beaten one time in the past five years and that was a very close decision to Chagaev. I think Ruiz would have won that fight had Chagaev stood and traded more. Instead, Chagaev used a lot of in and out attacking in that fight and limited what Ruiz could do.

Either way, Haye is going to have big problems against Ruiz on Saturday night. If Haye tries to bum rush him and take him out with a flurry of shots like he did against Enzo Maccarinelli, I think Ruiz will drop Haye with a big right hand. I hope Haye does try to fight like this, because heíll run into one of Ruizís counter shots.

If Haye decides to hit and run all night long like he did against Valuev, I see this playing into Ruizís hands as well. Heís a master cutting off the ring, and against the slow footed Haye, itíll be like childís play in trapping Haye against the ropes and getting to his fragile chin with a hard shot. Haye will actually make things worse if he runs, because heíll only tire more, lose power on his shots and make things easier for Ruiz when he eventually connects with a big shot.

At the end of the day, I see Ruiz destroying Haye because of his greater experience and better overall talent. Speed, power and youth are nothing when matched against a talented fighter like Ruiz. Heís going to make Haye look like a first rate amateur on Saturday night and embarrass him in front of all his British fans at the M.E.N Arena.
Lil-lightsout
To me the article more seemed like the guy does not like Haye and is not giving him any credit. I see a few of his points, but some I do not agree with at all. I picked Haye by KO in the poll, even though it is much more likely if Hye wins it is by decision. Just really hoping Haye can brutally stop Ruiz, that should shake up the division a little and take all the focus off the Klit sisters. If Haye trained properly and is fit, he should win, but if not Ruiz would probably stop him late.
Byrd Man
Yeah I don't buy the "Ruiz Destroys" because Ruiz hasn't destroyed anyone I don't think. lol

But I do agree with some of the points he made, namely the reasons why he thinks that Ruiz has the ability to give Haye trouble.

ESPECIALLY if Haye comes in thinking Ruiz is a soft touch and isn't worth preparing for. Wouldn't be the first guy to get a belt and then just let conditioning and whatnot go to shit.
ROLL DEEP
I got Haye by decision.


The guy who wrote that article obviously doesn't like Haye.....he didn't even try to mask it to make the piece more credible.



There were some valid points in there and some points that I didn't agree with.


I agree that the fight will be a very tough fight for Haye. Ruiz - although not 'fan friendly' and who does have a lot of enemies - is NOT an easy opponent. He's hard to train for, whenever he's lost it's pretty much been close (apart from the Tua fight laugh.gif ) always comes to fight and has a wealth of experience of dealing with heavyweights.

I think Haye will win with the cleaner boxing. He will hurt Ruiz with a shot or two and land a good amount of power shots, but I don't think he'll stop him. Haye's footwork is waaaay better than Ruiz's, so I expect Haye to land a good few shots and move - I don't see Ruiz cornering him off and pinning him against the ropes. Haye might let him by getting lazy and getting involved in a wrestle, but if Haye wants to (like the Valuev fight), he can keep away.
King Eugene
I'm really hoping Haye taps the edge of that chin, gives Ruiz a delayed reaction/out on his feet but not yet fallen, and finish him off with two more Hayemakers!
D-MARV
Haye 116-112
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Mar 31 2010, 05:49 AM) *
I'm really hoping Haye taps the edge of that chin, gives Ruiz a delayed reaction/out on his feet but not yet fallen, and finish him off with two more Hayemakers!


And if that doesn't happen you can always Google Tua/Ruiz laugh.gif

I'll pick Haye by UD. Ruiz has a solid chin the abovementioned fight excepted, but then Tua sometimes has that effect on people. Tua just fought Friday Ahunanya and won a 12 round UD. He looked OK. Still pretty much the same Tua. He'll blast out anyone who is not at the very top but will most probably lose to both Klit's in boring UD's.

I'll go to my grave taking the unfashionable view that he beat 'The President' 7 rounds to 5.
d843
QUOTE (Byrd Man @ Mar 31 2010, 03:07 AM) *
I saw this article today about the fight, and while I don't agree 100% with his view of the outcome, I do think he points out some very solid reasons why this may not be an easy fight for Haye. I think many people think that Haye is just going to beat the shit out of Ruiz, but I don't think so. I'd love to see a Wlad v. Haye fight, but I don't think that Haye will get past Ruiz, the more I think about it.

I think Ruiz has that style about him that makes it a living hell for fighters to go through. He's gotten better at not doing that grabbing shit, but he's still very good at tying up boxers and making them fight the way he wants.

I think that Ruiz will take a decision against Haye on Saturday.
nice post,fuck it,im taking haye.he's @ home
iron_mike
Is this not being shown on cable?
MarzB
Haye in an impressive knockout. Ruiz is a likeable guy if you like guys who've made the most with less which he definitely has. Often times I like to look at fights from the intangible of

WHO HAS THE MOST TO LOSE

Skillwise even a Haye critic can attest that Haye has more tools. But Ruiz has a style that gives guys problems. Here's the difference and I'll touch on my intangible first. Haye has WAY more to lose than Ruiz. He has the "home" factor, potential marketability and just flat out scorn that he lost to RUIZ who most can't stand (this board is definitely one of the few exceptions).

What is Ruiz fighting for?? There are multiple answers but even John can attest that he's on his way out. To me when you have one foot out the door, that doesn't sound good.

Ruiz (lately) has gotten away from his bear hugging, punch and clinch style. So the STYLE problem thats being pointed out should he fight that way isn't necessarily an advantage when you consider this. Haye's footwork is probably the best in the heavyweight division at this point. Haye can move laterally VERY well and should Jawny revert to that strategy, Haye will sidestep him and nail him with a counter.

I got haye being the second man to knock "Jawnny" the fuck out frankly and I don't say that with malice. I just think it's John's time unfortunate for him.
iron_mike
I wanna watch this fight, checked HBO and Showtime site, not showing, VS hasnt shown a fight in a while, is this on American tv/cable?
MarzB
QUOTE (iron_mike @ Mar 31 2010, 12:47 PM) *
I wanna watch this fight, checked HBO and Showtime site, not showing, VS hasnt shown a fight in a while, is this on American tv/cable?


Negative. The only way you can see it on your "television" is if you buy the Jones vs. Hopkins fight.

You probably CAN find this fight on an internet stream live though.
iron_mike
QUOTE (MarzB @ Mar 31 2010, 02:12 PM) *
Negative. The only way you can see it on your "television" is if you buy the Jones vs. Hopkins fight.

You probably CAN find this fight on an internet stream live though.



What u mean if buy the RJJ Hops fight? It's not on the undercard....yea, prob sopcast it, thanks, but wat did u mean by the rjjj hops comment?
MarzB
It's not on the undercard of the actual Jones vs. Hopkins event but for the PPV broadcast they will telecast the fight on a tape delay prior to the Hop vs Jones main event.


FYI- Golden Boy handles Haye's Stateside promotion and Ruiz is now a Golden Boy fighter.
iron_mike
Oh...ok, I almost forgot Jones Hops is this Sat...that's how interested I am in watching it...focusing more on Haye/wrestler..thx
Keith
Haye by lopsided unanimous decision.

Haye will land the more eye catching punches and win at least 7 rounds for that reason alone....

and there's the good possibility the judges give Haye most of the close rounds to ensure the only "exciting" fighter at HW gets pom pomed to the Klits.
JD
LOL...I am going with the upset here and taking Ruiz.
The CEO
What's up with all these upcoming meaningless fights?

1) Jones-Hopkins 2

2) Haye-Ruiz

3) Khan-Malignaggi


I chose Draw/No Contest on this bout because they're both on the same level...The Bullshit Level...both of these guys would get destroyed by either Klitschko...

but if I HAD to make a pick, it would be Haye...why?...because the venue is The M.E.N. Arena, and it's being co-promoted by Hayemaker Promotions.

Wake up and smell It, yo...
salvador
QUOTE (MarzB @ Mar 31 2010, 02:11 PM) *
It's not on the undercard of the actual Jones vs. Hopkins event but for the PPV broadcast they will telecast the fight on a tape delay prior to the Hop vs Jones main event.


I hate questioning your certainty on this, but the only way I would buy the Jones Hopkins fight is if this is true. So, are you positive about this?
salvador
QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 2 2010, 07:45 AM) *
What's up with all these upcoming meaningless fights?

1) Jones-Hopkins 2

2) Haye-Ruiz

3) Khan-Malignaggi


I chose Draw/No Contest on this bout because they're both on the same level...The Bullshit Level...both of these guys would get destroyed by either Klitschko...

but if I HAD to make a pick, it would be Haye...why?...because the venue is The M.E.N. Arena, and it's being co-promoted by Hayemaker Promotions.

Wake up and smell It, yo...


I actually like Haye-Ruiz and Khan-Malignaggi. (I also loved Kellerman's pointing out that there was no way Khan would be fighting Maidina on the Maidina-Cayo telecast - that Khan's chin was too big an issue so he was fighting a light puncher like Malignaggi.)

You're totally right about Haye getting the nod in England. I assume the ref will be vigilant with Ruiz and his holding (I know he's changed his style, but Haye is so small it's easy to see Ruiz reverting back until the ref starts deducting points), but Ruiz is the toughest fighter Haye's ever fought and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he cracked Haye's chin.

Sportsbook.com doesn't have any odds on this fight, but I'd love to drop $20 on Ruiz by ko just for fun.
JD
QUOTE (salvador @ Apr 2 2010, 08:52 AM) *
Sportsbook.com doesn't have any odds on this fight, but I'd love to drop $20 on Ruiz by ko just for fun.


Thanks for putting the voodoo hex on my upset pick.
salvador
QUOTE (JD @ Apr 2 2010, 07:56 AM) *
Thanks for putting the voodoo hex on my upset pick.


Jesus, are you trying to give me some kind of complex? I've had a bad run, no big deal. It happens to everyone. How the hell was I supposed to know that the Clottey-Pac fight was fixed?
Maxy
For me the venue is of absolutely no relevance whatsoever because this fight is not going the distance and I don't see there being anything controversial to argue/debate about either.

I'm picking Haye to win this big in explosive fashion. Not quite in the awesome fashion Tua delivered all those years back but I'm convinced he'll stop Ruiz. Haye is 4IBs heavier than he was for the Valuev fight but looks in tip top shape at 222 and Ruiz weighed in at 231 but didn't remove his t-shirt.
Maxy
lloyd mayflower
One of very few examples of a heavyweight boxer looking as he should look.
Big Slim Sweet
LMAO Ruiz honestly looks more like a cab driver than a prizefighter the cocksucker piece of shit.
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (salvador @ Apr 2 2010, 08:00 AM) *
Jesus, are you trying to give me some kind of complex? I've had a bad run, no big deal. It happens to everyone. How the hell was I supposed to know that the Clottey-Pac fight was fixed?

Because we told you so?

Don't feel bad. I picked Arum's Designated Loser (doing his best impression of a heavy bag) to accidently KO QuackMeow (in 3 I think).

Amazing that the guy punching the heavy bag ended up more beat up, isn't it?

ADL didn't get that 1.5 million bonus for nothin'.
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (Maxy @ Apr 2 2010, 08:28 AM) *
For me the venue is of absolutely no relevance whatsoever because this fight is not going the distance and I don't see there being anything controversial to argue/debate about either.

I'm picking Haye to win this big in explosive fashion. Not quite in the awesome fashion Tua delivered all those years back but I'm convinced he'll stop Ruiz. Haye is 4IBs heavier than he was for the Valuev fight but looks in tip top shape at 222 and Ruiz weighed in at 231 but didn't remove his t-shirt.

+1
salvador
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Apr 2 2010, 10:04 AM) *
ADL didn't get that 1.5 million bonus for nothin'.


Are you sure Clottey got $1.5MM for that fight?

It's a bit hard to imagine that he would've been paid anywhere close to that much if he was promoted by someone else.

Big Slim Sweet
Please, no QuackMeow Beardo. It's just not good.

CEO has offered up Stackiao. That's much better.

Or how about Trackiao? Needle marks and all.

Welcome back.
King Eugene
QUOTE (Maxy @ Apr 2 2010, 10:11 AM) *

Ruiz looks old and shop worn. If you didn't know who he was you'd think he was pushing 50. He looks like a Boys and Girls Club team leader.
lloyd mayflower
He looks like he woke up 20 minutes ago and ran through the clothes line on his way to the weigh in. A shave wouldnt go amiss
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (salvador @ Apr 2 2010, 10:08 AM) *
Are you sure Clottey got $1.5MM for that fight?

It's a bit hard to imagine that he would've been paid anywhere close to that much if he was promoted by someone else.

That was just the bonus Jerry Jones gave him for The Farce In Dallas.

QUOTE (Sweetness @ Apr 2 2010, 10:09 AM) *
Please, no QuackMeow Beardo. It's just not good.

CEO has offered up Stackiao. That's much better.

Or how about Trackiao? Needle marks and all.

Welcome back.

The moment I got kicked outta here, someone was taking me to task for that "sophomoric" name calling. CEO banished me before I could thank whoever it was for the compliment.

But I will take your suggestion under advisement.
Keith
QUOTE (Maxy @ Apr 2 2010, 10:11 AM) *


The first thing I thought about this photo...

How the hell is Hopkins going to beat Haye? He's just too big and athletic for Hopkins to handle imo.
MarzB
Hopkins and David Haye is funny. What he has on his hands NOT isn't a foregone conclusion and Hopkins CAN'T keep pulling rabbits out of his hat. A better fight for him would be James Toney.

That said, Haye would annihilate him as Hopkins "Ruiz Lite" tactics wouldn't work with someone who's BIGGER, QUICKER and stronger than him.
JD
QUOTE (Keith @ Apr 2 2010, 11:33 AM) *
The first thing I thought about this photo...

How the hell is Hopkins going to beat Haye? He's just too big and athletic for Hopkins to handle imo.


Haye - Hopkins will not happen. Hopkins would move up to fight Ruiz...not Haye.
Keith
QUOTE (JD @ Apr 2 2010, 12:07 PM) *
Haye - Hopkins will not happen. Hopkins would move up to fight Ruiz...not Haye.


Ruiz....win or lose against Haye?
JD
QUOTE (Keith @ Apr 2 2010, 12:13 PM) *
Ruiz....win or lose against Haye?


No no...only if he beat Haye. Then Hop has what he would deem to be an easy mark for a heavyweight strap; not much unlike Maskaev.

If Haye wins, Hopkins is not moving up to fight him...I just don't buy it. Haye is too big and too athletic. Ruiz, while bigger, is not athletic at all.
Keith
QUOTE (JD @ Apr 2 2010, 12:46 PM) *
No no...only if he beat Haye. Then Hop has what he would deem to be an easy mark for a heavyweight strap; not much unlike Maskaev.

If Haye wins, Hopkins is not moving up to fight him...I just don't buy it. Haye is too big and too athletic. Ruiz, while bigger, is not athletic at all.


Makes sense.

I believe that Hopkins has lost his mind if he gets in the ring with Haye.
JD
QUOTE (Keith @ Apr 2 2010, 12:50 PM) *
Makes sense.

I believe that Hopkins has lost his mind if he gets in the ring with Haye.


Hopkins mind is there...if Adamek had a belt, I could see him moving up and fighting him because I think he would view it as a heavier version of Pavlik; but the giants or the bigger athletic guys are not really going to be people he moves to heavy to fight.
Jack 1000
Oh please let Haye pull a Tua on Ruiz!!!! Get this POS out of boxing! Seriously, how many title chances does this guy get?

Haye better not fucking pull disinterested shit like he did against Valuev! My pick is Haye by a decision with two judges having the fight closer than it should be. Only Tua has been able to really destroy Ruiz and that is sad how Ruiz has been able to survive for so long. Tua by 116-112. The scores will be 116-112, 115-113, and a too close 114-114.

Jack
JD
I don't exactly foresee John Ruiz getting any gift rounds to make it closer than the action on a GBP card in David Haye's backyard.

If anyone is going to be credited with rounds that they shouldn't be, it's David Haye...and I am not necessarily saying he will, I am just saying that there is no way in hell John Ruiz is going to be getting the benefit of any doubt in this fight.
salvador
QUOTE (MarzB @ Mar 31 2010, 02:11 PM) *
It's not on the undercard of the actual Jones vs. Hopkins event but for the PPV broadcast they will telecast the fight on a tape delay prior to the Hop vs Jones main event.


FYI- Golden Boy handles Haye's Stateside promotion and Ruiz is now a Golden Boy fighter.


Marz,

I hate asking the same question twice, but are you sure of this? Because having Ruiz-Haye on the undercard would be the only way I would buy this fight and I can't find confirmation of this anywhere.

thanks
JD
GBP owns the US distribution rights to the Haye - Ruiz fight, while it seems logical that they would put it on the undercard, there was no confirmation or final decision made as of yesterday.

I would figure that their best bet would be this PPV because at least the result will only be a few hours old, but who knows.
King Eugene
QUOTE (JD @ Apr 3 2010, 08:54 AM) *
GBP owns the US distribution rights to the Haye - Ruiz fight, while it seems logical that they would put it on the undercard, there was no confirmation or final decision made as of yesterday.

I would figure that their best bet would be this PPV because at least the result will only be a few hours old, but who knows.

I hope to God that they do. I'm already dropping $20 at the theater.
Byrd Man
Dan Rafael said in his chat yesterday that there was no confirmation on this, despite GBP having the distro rights for it.
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