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Byrd Man
I was thinking today, that two of the most insanely gifted and immensely talented fighters of the past 20 years are Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I can only imagine how brilliant a fight could be with these two. Prime versions of each, and disregard the weight difference. Just assuming they meet at the height of each other's talents, skills, speed, power, etc, at the weight they were most comfortable at.

Both have fantastic speed and would have been a nice matchup. I think both are very comparable, and I think unless they got into a waiting match for the other to hit first, so they could counter, that could have the makings of a classic all time great fight.
D-MARV
I have always said that Roy Jones (on his best night) was damn near unbeatable. I'll take Roy. Same answer for the other thread as well.
Byrd Man
QUOTE (StyleZ @ Apr 2 2010, 05:02 AM) *
I have always said that Roy Jones (on his best night) was damn near unbeatable. I'll take Roy. Same answer for the other thread as well.


You shoulda stopped when you were ahead. ha ha ha
PR316
Roy. Faster and more powerful. Stylez put it well. On his best night, Roy was the closest thing to invincible I've ever seen.

He would clearly decision Floyd,
The CEO
Here's what we said about this one last year...

http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...=23294&st=0


My take...

QUOTE (The C.E.O. @ Jan 12 2009, 09:11 PM) *
The following is based on the premise that both fighters had their respective builds at the exact same height and weight when they step in the ring....and that both men were at the best of their abilities....

You were suggesting that Toney and Hopkins had adaptive abilities, and they couldn't do it...well that's true....but first off...Mayweather has more adaptation skills and ultimately, more styles, than both Hopkins and Toney.....those who have followed Mayweather's career will know that Floyd can do it ALL....front, back, and side to side....and that's not to mention he would be NOTICEABLY more active, accurate, and faster than both of them...

Knowing Jones....and we found this out later on in his career....his chin was lacking....I'm sayin' he had an average chin at best....thus his concentration on elusiveness all those years...."WE MUST PROTECT THIS CHIN!!"...

Which leads me to how the fight would play out...the elusive, potshotting, one of a kind Jones versus one of the sharpest, COMPLETE boxers to have done it during our lifetimes....

Logic and history leads us to believe that both fighters wouldn't be willing to engage for at least a few rounds...Jones being elusive and not really committing....Mayweather using lateral movement and sizing him up....many would say BOTH guys would be "running"....laugh.gif...but the fact of the matter is...that it would really just be that FLOYD is making this an extended, feeling out process....during this time, Jones would win the majority of the rounds...

but then the real fight would begin...because Floyd ISN'T afraid to commit against someone his same size....so there you have Jones....his plan being to use his speed to gain angles to potshot his way to a win....not so busy....while Floyd....who has supernatural stamina....is now taking chances...using his gloves, rolls, and body movements as defense moving forward.....taking Jones to the ropes and the corner here and there....moving in and out with combos with near perfect timing...I know it's hard for some of you to believe....but Floyd would be the one pressing the action....

While Jones would be concerned about being slick, dancing and using crane technique poses to gain a flashy win....Floyd would be all business trying to gain his win.....concentrating on throwing and landing more punches....and you can best believe Jones would get checked at least once of during one of those episodes he always used to pull....

BUT...it is also during this time...the middle rounds....that Mayweather could lose.....many of you talking about Jones' advantage of speed and power...well....Jones could definitely land a game changer and jump on Mayweather for the TKO....I'm saying that happens maybe 2, 3 times out of 10 max....and is the ONLY way he could win...but there is no way in Hell Jones would decision Mayweather....because his elusiveness would hinder his actual activity....and IF Roy's heart showed up later in the fight, and he tried to become the aggressor....which it probably wouldn't....Floyd would get the best of him....as Mayweather's inside defense and straighter, more accurate, counterpunches would benefit him....

and there you have it.....Jones wouldn't be unhittable against Mayweather....he wouldn't commit enough, and Mayweather would get to him and touch him up....in the end....Mayweather will have thrown and landed more punches.....he wins 6, 7 times out of 10...with 1 or 2 of those wins coming by stoppage....because they're the saaaaaame siiiiiize.
Maxy
Nah bollocks to that...Jones thrashes Mayweather 10 out of 10.
The CEO
QUOTE (Maxy @ Apr 3 2010, 04:45 PM) *
Nah bollocks to that...Jones thrashes Mayweather 10 out of 10.


Nice, detailed explanation why...just call it bollocks and jet.


and fYi...Mayweather beats your beloved Whitaker 7, 8 times out of 10...for some of the same reasons I stated above...

Pea would be doin' all his flashy duckin' and dodgin' while Mayweather would be gettin' the more tangible, offensive work done.
Maxy
QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 3 2010, 04:03 PM) *
Nice, detailed explanation why...just call it bollocks and jet.


and fYi...Mayweather beats your beloved Whitaker 7, 8 times out of 10...for some of the same reasons I stated above...

Pea would be doin' all his flashy duckin' and dodgin' while Mayweather would be gettin' the more tangible, offensive work done.


Nah mate my detailed explanation stems mainly from total disagreement and also the fact that I've paid 15 quid to watch some boxing so I am watching it...although the current fight is pretty shit....

And no, Mayweather ain't in Whitakers class. Whitaker wouldn't have to fight him though because good old pretty boy would most definitely come up with some crappy excuse not to face him. Proof is in the pudding.
The CEO
Whitaker is overrated....him and his unconventional defense never interested me...didn't care for it...
Maxy
QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 3 2010, 04:19 PM) *
Whitaker is overrated....he never really interested me.


Really?

OK, guess I'll just have to accept that. Your opinion.

Whitaker is greater than Mayweather will ever be though.....of course, in my opinion. He backed it up, Floyd needs to do a bit of the same.
STEVENSKI
I think Mayweather has better fundamentals than Roy ever did. Mayweather beats him in a 8-4 type of fashion. Roy has speed & power & Mayweather has skills. Give me skills anyday over the other two.

Maxy
QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 3 2010, 05:03 PM) *
Nice, detailed explanation why...just call it bollocks and jet.


and fYi...Mayweather beats your beloved Whitaker 7, 8 times out of 10...for some of the same reasons I stated above...

Pea would be doin' all his flashy duckin' and dodgin' while Mayweather would be gettin' the more tangible, offensive work done.


I had to go back to this. So, you're eluding that Mayweather would be doing most of the offensive work when punch stats concerning the two fighters clearly show Whitaker threw far more in the majority of his fights. Whitaker fought and beat the best of his era. Mayweather hasn't done that.

Whitaker started a fight exactly how he wanted to. He didn't have to work his opponent out and lose a few rounds in the process like the slower starting Mayweather does. An old faded Whitaker gave a young De La Hoya a great fight, I actually thought he edged it. Mayweather was taken extremely close by an old faded De La Hoya. Do the maths.

Whitaker matches Mayweather for speed and although May might have the edge in power it's quite negligible and wouldn't have been a factor in any case. If Mayweather attempted to play the counter puncher he would lose widely on points. If he tried to be the aggressor his work rate would be his undoing. Quite simply, Whitaker was the busier man, the better boxer all round and he would beat Floyd in a close, competitive fight.

It's a credit to Floyd that people mention him in the same breath as Whitaker.

Of course, you disagree.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Apr 5 2010, 01:21 AM) *
I think Mayweather has better fundamentals than Roy ever did. Mayweather beats him in a 8-4 type of fashion. Roy has speed & power & Mayweather has skills. Give me skills anyday over the other two.

I wish I didn't have to say Mayweather would win but I'm with you in the fact that give me skills anyday over abilities..All you need to overcome speed and power is timing,which Mayweather does perfectly..Roy lacks the fundamnetals like Steve says and relied on his abilities to win fights,not his skills..Mayweather would lose the early rounds while trying to adjust to Roy's speed,then he'd start taking over and exposing weaknesses..

Sorry guys,I hated sayin all that since I'd be hoping Roy would destroy him..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Fitz @ Apr 5 2010, 05:52 PM) *
I would take RJJ over Mayweather.

Also, Mayweather over Whitaker, really? Whitaker>Mayweather.

Whitaker and Mayweather would of been a really sweet fight to have seen..2 defensive masters..Some may think boring but I like chess matches..
torvix2000
The only chess matches I like are those with active play... attack... counter attack. Just because we're talking about chess doesn't mean there isn't the analogy of knockouts in it.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (torvix2000 @ Apr 5 2010, 09:14 PM) *
The only chess matches I like are those with active play... attack... counter attack. Just because we're talking about chess doesn't mean there isn't the analogy of knockouts in it.

For sure,the KO is checkmate!!
The CEO
QUOTE (Fitz @ Apr 5 2010, 08:37 PM) *
I think it would be a really good fight and extremely close. Just not sure how someone can like Mayweather and then not really be interested in Whitaker. I think Mayweather should have been where Whitaker is at, but he isn't.
I just think Whitaker is greater at this stage.


Sure Whitaker is "Greater" at this stage....but I believe Mayweather beats Whitaker head to head 7, 8 times out of 10 (note I didn't say 10 out of 10)...mainly based on him having the purer Boxing skills and better accuracy...

Stats have shown that Mayweather has an insane Hit/Not Get Hit Ratio....which explains why I said he gets the "more tangible work done" that I mentioned earlier...

Whitaker was just too unconventional and flashy for my tastes...which is also one of the reasons I never liked Roy Jones...I think both those guys are/were overrated.
ViperSniper
I know this is a mythical match-up but I don't think it's the greatest match up either. Anyways putting everything into consideration I think Jones wins this fight. I'm aware Mayweather has better fundamentals than Roy & may do things more correct but Roy still brings too much in this one. He is faster, more power, better reflexes, more strong & has a better attack than Mayweather does.

This would be a pretty boring fight with both being counter punches but Jones has proven to let his hands go more than Mayweather which would be a big factor. Mayweather has shown to have trouble with speed & flash in Judah and an old DLH troubled him with the jab.

I don't think Mayweather brings anything new to what Roy hasn't already seen but the same can't be said about Mayweather though. Roy Jones has shown he was able to beat up 2 of boxings purist, masterful & skilled fighters of our era with basically one hand.

Jones was great at sitting up traps & making his opponents 'gun-shy' due to his sharp counter punching/reflexes. James Toney & Bernard Hopkins are just as good as Mayweather and even better in some areas inside the ring. Jones was able to beat both fighters so clearly & easily it almost doesn't give justice to how great those wins really are!!

Too much speed, flash, power, reflexes, footwork & combinations for Floyd.

Jones by UD.
King Eugene
Skills = Bernard Hopkins and James Toney....Speed = Roy Jones Jr.

He beat them both.

Give me Roy...Mayweather has the accuracy but not the power(although underrated) to make Roy respect him. Roy started losing when he became gun shy.
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