Honestly, I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to reply to STEVENSKI, an admitted Floyd Hater, because all logic goes out the window when you're talking to someone like that. HOWEVER....
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Apr 7 2010, 03:36 AM)
A undefeated Ricky Hatton who had previously shown he had NO business at 147 whatsoever. Unless you think the 147lb Hatton was the best version of Hatton that is.......
I think the 147lb. Hatton was pretty much the same as the 140lb. Hatton. He didn't struggle with Collazo because of the weight...he struggled with Collazo because Hatton just isn't that great to begin with...never has been! HOWEVER, that being said, it's the fight that EVERYONE wanted...well just about everyone anyway. Personally, I figured it would be EASY WORK for Floyd and I really could've cared less if he fought him....but people like YOU, maybe not you in particular, but people similar to you were claiming that Floyd ducked him at 140, so ask and ye shall receive. Now, do I thnk it was great "challenge" for Floyd? No...I don't...but if someone is going to point to how good Manny Pacquiao is and talk about his destruction of Ricky Hatton as an example, then how can you NOT give Floyd the same credit for beating the same guy and beating him first? But regardless, the point is, don't make it sound like Ricky Hatton was some super featherweight that Floyd handpicked. It's a fight that the public DEMANDED, as evidence by the 1.5 million PPV buys, so it's a fight that they got! That whole post was addressing Jack's comments about Floyd having this reputation of fighting smaller fighters and that's simply not the case.
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Apr 7 2010, 03:36 AM)
I will give credit for his gifts against Castillo. Who did he fight at 140 that was any risk whatsoever? Who did he fight at 147 that was any risk? No one.
Who was at 140 that was any risk to begin with? Let's take a look. Gatti was the WBC champ. Vivian Harris was the WBA champ. Kostya Tszyu was the IBF champ. Cotto was the WBO champ. Kostya Tszyu
was with Showtime, so that fight was difficult to make to begin with. Please don't forget that up until that point, Floyd had yet to even headline a PPV, and as far as I know, the only fight that HBO and Showtime did a collaboration on was Tyson vs. Lewis...a HUGE PPV event...so don't make it sound like that was a case of Floyd "ducking" KT. Tszyu would later lose to little known Ricky Hatton, but even when Floyd asked to fight him, Ricky Hatton, his trainer, his dad and his entire team all said that they weren't ready to fight Floyd Mayweather. I'm sure you remember all that smack that Hatton was talking about coming to America to take over...he showed up to watch Mayweather vs. Gatti talking about wanting to fight the winner and then after the fight, all the talk stoped immediately and he ended up fighting Carlos "Golem" Maussa instead. Do your research!Vivian Harris
and his dumb ass was actually next in line to fight Floyd after the Gatti fight, which is why he was fighting Carlos Maussa on the undercard...and then he lost, so that fight went right out the window.Miguel Cotto
was NEVER an option as long as Floyd Mayweather was still a Top Rank fighter. Bob Arum would not allow the fight to happen...he said it time and time and TIME AGAIN. In fact...and I quote: "I think it's too soon...Obviously in a year from now, whether it's at 147 or 140, that will be the Leonard-Duran fight of our generation. But it's not ready yet, we've got to build Cotto up more."
- Bob Arum on a possible Mayweather vs. Cotto bout, June 29, 2005
Now that was in June of 2005...a few months later, Floyd moved up to 147, so how the hell was he supposed to fight Cotto if their mutual promoter is saying that Cotto isn't ready? And come to think of it, who the hell was Cotto fighting at 140 that was a risk? Kelson Pinto?
So who exactly did you want him to fight? Who was the big risk? Carlos Maussa?
You can do the same research and discover the same information at 147. The whole reason why he moved up was to fight the undisputed welterweight champion at the time...Zab Judah. Prior to Judah choking against Baldomir, it was a fight that EVERYBODY was wanting to see. The only reason why he even bothered to fight Sharmba Mitchell was because it was his first fight at 147 and a tune-up for the much bigger fight against Judah (Mitchell being a southpaw like Judah). He fought Mitchell in November of 2005 and the fight with Zab was essentially a done deal (Zab was signing the damn contract for the fight while he was down in Florida training for Baldomir). 2 months later, in January of 2006, Zab's stupid ass lost to Baldomir. So you're telling me Floyd should have scrapped the Judah fight and fought a bigger "risk"...okay....but who? At the time, Margarito wasn't even an option because, again, Floyd was a Top Rank fighter and the fight that his own promoter, Bob Arum, chose to make was the Judah fight. Not Margarito, not Clottey, but Judah. It was only AFTER that fight, when Mayweather bought out his contract from Arum, did Margarito, Clottey AND Cotto even become an option, but at that point, Floyd was on some "FUCK YOU BOB ARUM" shit...and I can't say that I blame him. I'm not even sure why you would blame him either. If you're working at a restaurant and you quit because you can't stand your boss, you don't show up the next day to eat dinner there. That doesn't even make any sense. So Floyd stays busy with the Baldomir fight. He tried to make the Mosley fight, but Mosley didn't want it...preferring to go on vacation instead. So Floyd says fuck it and moves up to 154 to fight De La Hoya, but you're saying that wasn't a risk? I just don't understand what the hell you want the guy to do. I mean, I hear what you're saying...I want to see nothing but big fights too, but all the blame doesn't lie on Floyd Mayweather like you make it sound. He's was willing to fight Cotto...Arum wouldn't let him. He was willing to fight Hatton...Hatton wasn't ready. He tried to fight Mosley...Mosley wanted to go on vacation. He moved up to 154 and fought De La Hoya. Hell, then he even tried to make a fight with Winky Wright, and THAT could have been a done deal if Winky would have agreed to the same day weigh-in...but he refused to, so that fight fell apart...but of course, I'm sure you forgot about that and just blame Floyd by default. Oddly enough, if Winky was asked to do a same day weigh-in today for a fight with Floyd, he'd take it in a heartbeat!
Quite frankly, there were no risks at 140 other than Hatton and Cotto, which I already addressed. And at 147, the "risks" that you claim he avoided are laughable. I mean, really, how many people do you think were going to buy a Mayweather vs. Paul Williams bout...or a Mayweather vs. Clottey bout...or even a Mayweather vs. Margarito bout at the time. This was all PRE-DE LA HOYA and PRE-HATTON...those PPV events would have been LUCKY to do 200,000 buys...hell, his PPV with Judah only did like 350,000...and that was only because Judah was a halfway decent name at the time and they marketed the shit out of that fight to the Hip Hop community. Not to knock Margarito, but his biggest win was against Kermit Cintron...how the hell do you market THAT fight at the time. I mean, I guess you could argue that the Margarito fight would have done the same as the Baldomir fight...I guess...but man, it seems like that's really the only argument you can hang your hat on...that he fought Baldomir instead of Margarito. Okay...well...personally, in my opinion, Margarito was never really a big risk to begin with...basically the same type of fighter as Baldomir, so forgive me if I didn't view Margarito as the same type of "threat" that some other people saw him as. I mean, the dude's biggest win was against Kermit Fucking Cintron...that's not exactly something that strikes fear in my eyes. LOL.
But alas, I've wasted FAR too much time regurgitating shit that I've already told you time and time again. There's really just no point in having a discussion when one side admits that they have a profound hatred for the subject matter. LOL. But regardless, I was bored so I figured I'd throw it all out there again anyway.
DO YOUR RESEARCH! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK FOR IT!
On a side note...
BOB ARUM ON FLOYD MAYWEATHER WHILE HE WAS STILL PROMOTING HIM...
"Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world, I don't think there's any question about that. We're privileged to be promoting him and we're looking forward to doing a lot bigger and better things. Will Floyd and I have disagreements as we have in the past? Of course we will, we're the odd couple, but we'll work through them like we always have." - Bob Arum, October 31, 2005
"When he wants to be, the little son of a gun is an absolutely charming person. He was in my gym training over the weekend, all of the press was there and he couldn't have been more charming. I really mean that. He was sensational. If he can do that, then I think he can mature enough to be a big PPV star. And God knows he has the talent. I don't know any fighter around today that's as talented as this kid." - Bob Arum, May 17, 2005
"Well the great ones always rise to the occasion. I know Gatti is limited, let's be honest about it, but Floyd Mayweather is the best there is in boxing period. There is nobody that can contend with him for pound for pound best in the sport. Like I said before, it went from Ali to Sugar Ray Leonard to Pretty Boy Floyd. Some people today told me it goes back even further than that because this was a Sugar Ray Robinson type of performance." - Bob Arum, June 29, 2005
Too funny. I don't even know how anyone can believe a word that comes out of Bob Arum's mouth regarding fighters that he does and does not promote. LOL.