QUOTE (Snoop @ Apr 29 2010, 11:11 AM)
Most of these could still hold true had it been a murder. The ones in bold are completely subjective and/or easily explained.
1) What is "foul play" and what constitutes evidence on such a subjective definition?
2) Latex gloves could have been used.
3) Unless there was a night watchman guarding their room, people could have easily gone in without being seen. It's not unfathomable that some people slip by the attention of a few night staffers. It happens all the time in hotel rooms everywhere in the world, why not this one?
4) Investigator's determination based on what? If it's true that this was the wife's hometown, such a hit could be coordinated within a couple of hours really. This is again another subjective estimation.
Again none of this suggests suicide. In fact, I would argue it's more probably that Gatti would beat his wife, as he had in the past. What would make Gatti act any differently in this instance?
How can you say none of this suggests suicide?? And you can't just gloss it over and look at a single reason and say it doesn't point to a suicide. It's the combination of all of the factors. You have to put the pieces of the puzzle together, you can't just look at a single piece.
Foul play would be injuries from a struggle, broken furniture, blood/DNA/fingerprints from other suspects, etc. You know what foul play is. And the hotel they were staying at was a very classy hotel too. (http://www.dorisol.com.br/dorisol-porto-galinhas/hotel.html) They have 24-hour reception, and there would be more than a few night staffers there. They would also have security cameras around the hotel. I was about to call the hotel to ask, but decided it would be inappropriate and expensive.
What other hotels has an incident like this happened before? Show me some examples. A homicide where the assailants hanged their victim and then left undetected. I want to see some links because I can show you many examples of hotel suicides. Starting with David Carradine. (Some people believe Carradine was killed by secret ninjas too, but that's another story.)
The thing is, the evidence is just a record of what happened that night. It doesn't definitively prove a suicide or a murder; it really could had been either one. But after watching the Real Sports segments - particularly the interview with the Brazilian investigator, and the reaction of Gatti's wife - doesn't make the story sit well with me. Overall the point is that you can't use any of the evidence you presented because it doesn't strengthen the argument for a suicide just as it doesn't strengthen an argument for murder, which is why I don't refer to any it. What DOES strengthen the argument for murder are:
1) The inexplicable absence of a typically standard BAC examination.
2) The estrangulation mark on Gatti's neck being significantly slimmer than that of the purse strap
3) The "coincidental" martial agreement three week prior that resulted in a 6 million dollar inheritance.
How do you explain those?
No, the evidence is not just a record of what happened that night. It's backed by two autopsy reports, forensics on the stairwell, a purse strap, a time frame, and no signs of foul play.
1) Does it really matter if a BAC test was conducted? What will this really prove one way or another?
2) I have already given my opinion on Baden's credibility, and without actually being able to examine the purse strap it's hard to comment on. It's possible that the center section of the purse strap was tighter than the outer section. It also depends on how he tied the strap. If the purse strap wasn't used why was it near him and covered in blood? Where was the other ligature?
3) Like you said, it could just be coincidental. Or maybe Gatti had been planning to commit suicide, and he wanted to make sure his children would be raised with money.
Also, how did Amanda plan the hit anyway? I guess the phone conversation went like this:
"Hey, can you come over to the hotel and kill my husband?"
"Okay. How do you want us to do it?"
"Make it look like a suicide."
"Well, I guess we could hang him. Does anyone have any rope? No? Shit.."
"No worries, I have a purse strap you can use!"
"A purse strap? That's brilliant, why didn't I think of that!"
"A purse strap? Well, actually we do have a rope."
"But it needs to look like a suicide!"
"Ok, this is what we will do. We will hang him up with the rope. Then after 3-4 hours, we will take him down, and then we will hang him back up with the purse strap to make it look more like a suicide. They won't be able to tell the difference in the autopsy."
Do you see how absurd that sounds?
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Apr 29 2010, 11:48 AM)
Evidence...for you maybe. Not enough for me....and a lot of other folks it seems.
And let me tell you man.....when you have a STRIPPER involved....YES...what you laid out is very possible. If you had ever dated one or know somebody that has....you would see that as a HUGe motive.....strippers and large sums of money involved in a death....yeah...something will most likely be rotten in Denmark.
Although Gatti was a pro boxer...he was not a huge man....and being MEGA drunk on top of that....I could easily see two huge strip club bouncer like goons helping some whore out for cash.
I disagree about the samples being tested.....he never stated that they were...he just said it was her blood....no matter if you believe it or not....you have to admit the investigator that spoke on the program....made a shitload of generalizations.
I don't think you are waiting....I think you firmly believe this was a suicide...and that's your right to hold that opinion.
BUT....I really don't see how anybody can take it at face value...not with all of the money, motive, types of folks involved, history of the people involved, photographs.....
But that is your right.
Well, until I see some solid evidence that points to a murder, I am inclined to believe it was a suicide. Regardless of what happened to him, it's still very tragic. Whether it be suicide or murder, it was totally unnecessary. It didn't have to end like that.