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BrutalBodyShots
I didn't even realize that Grant was still fighting, lol. Why is Adamek fighting him or is he just trying to stay active?

Seems to me that Adamek is going to be one of those guys that has a small window of success at heavyweight. He's not a natural heavy and is taking on guys easily outweighing him 20-40 pounds every time out. The poor state of the heavyweight division lets him get away with that. Coming off of the Arreola win (who sadly rounds out the top 10) he should be riding that momentum trying to get a fight with another top 10 guy... not a guy 10 years past his prime.

I say try and land a big fight in Europe with a guy like Valuev or Povetkin and see what happens. Fighting the Michael Grants of the division aren't going to do him any good, and the risk of getting KOed by a lucky shot against a 250 pound guy is always there. What do you guys think?
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ May 26 2010, 10:07 PM) *
I didn't even realize that Grant was still fighting, lol. Why is Adamek fighting him or is he just trying to stay active?

Seems to me that Adamek is going to be one of those guys that has a small window of success at heavyweight. He's not a natural heavy and is taking on guys easily outweighing him 20-40 pounds every time out. The poor state of the heavyweight division lets him get away with that. Coming off of the Arreola win (who sadly rounds out the top 10) he should be riding that momentum trying to get a fight with another top 10 guy... not a guy 10 years past his prime.

I say try and land a big fight in Europe with a guy like Valuev or Povetkin and see what happens. Fighting the Michael Grants of the division aren't going to do him any good, and the risk of getting KOed by a lucky shot against a 250 pound guy is always there. What do you guys think?

I think Adamek wants to fight someone who resembles a Klitchko without having to fight one..Grant is "making a comeback"..hahaha..Crazy,I know..Yeah,Adamek is risking being KO'd but I think it's a safe move for him to get a fight in against someone who has the size of a Klitchko..Adamek wants to be heavyweight champ obviously since he did decide to join the division..To me this shows he wants to fight the best champ and not a former cruiserweight aka David Haye..In my opinion,smart move and to me shows that Adamek wants to be the best and dethrone a Klitchko..
neophyte7
I am 6"7 about 230 pounds and saw michael grant at Philadelphia's penn station about 7 years ago. His weak demeanor that he carried in the ring was the same as in person. A big guy with the aura of a midget or pigmy.. I laughed inside saying to myself, this guy is a little bitch. he also is closer to 6"5 than 6"7... Michael Grant... what a farce he was...
BGv2.0
Believe it or not this is a very good fight for both guys.....Adamek is doing the smart thing by fighting a guy that resembles the size factor of the Klits....something that I believe is ALWAYS a plus before stepping in the ring with either of them....that way you are not in awe or completley ignorant of the sheer size factor.

Grant, Valuev, McBride, Fields.....none of these guys are world beaters...but they all are HUGE...and they are the guys anybody wanting a shot at the Klits need to be looking at to get ready for them. It makes no sense to fight Arreola and a Peter type fighter...then step in with the Klits....you have to have some aspect of size prior to stepping in with them.

On the flip side....with Adamek being so active and getting a few decent wins at HW....a win by Grant will do wonders for his "comeback".....

I could see Grant getting a fight with Arreola after that...and if he could win that one....BOOM....you are right back in the hunt.

It does not take much in today's HW division to warrent a shot.


This fight makes perfect sense to me for both guys.....kudos to the matchmaker.....UNLIKE the Tua/Barrett fight....which I see as doing nothing for either by way of gaining a shot or getting needed rounds with Klit size opposition.
The CEO
LOL...I just asked "What if Grant KOed Adamek in 13 seconds?" in another thread, and you already broke it down here, BG.....damn Heavyweight Specialist...lol

thumbsup_anim.gif to you and this thread.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Grant's only shot is a KO in this one. Adamek did look a bit stunned against Arreola, but I really don't think Grant has it in him to pull this off. If he didn't have the confidence to fight Dominick Guinn, then he sure as fuck won't be feeling too confident fighting Grant. Grant has no belief in himself, and not much of a chin either. Adamek is going to use this fight to KO Grant, and try to get a shot against the Klitschko's. He'll be able to market it as, "I knocked out a guy as big and weak of a chin as Wlad". Not that it's true, but just what he could say. God forbid if Grant does win this and gets back into contention. God, that would really say the true state of the division.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ May 27 2010, 11:24 AM) *
Believe it or not this is a very good fight for both guys.....Adamek is doing the smart thing by fighting a guy that resembles the size factor of the Klits....something that I believe is ALWAYS a plus before stepping in the ring with either of them....that way you are not in awe or completley ignorant of the sheer size factor.

Grant, Valuev, McBride, Fields.....none of these guys are world beaters...but they all are HUGE...and they are the guys anybody wanting a shot at the Klits need to be looking at to get ready for them. It makes no sense to fight Arreola and a Peter type fighter...then step in with the Klits....you have to have some aspect of size prior to stepping in with them.

On the flip side....with Adamek being so active and getting a few decent wins at HW....a win by Grant will do wonders for his "comeback".....

I could see Grant getting a fight with Arreola after that...and if he could win that one....BOOM....you are right back in the hunt.

It does not take much in today's HW division to warrent a shot.


This fight makes perfect sense to me for both guys.....kudos to the matchmaker.....UNLIKE the Tua/Barrett fight....which I see as doing nothing for either by way of gaining a shot or getting needed rounds with Klit size opposition.


Spot on BG.

I've always hated Grant for some reason. It felt like he got everything handed to him on a plate, a total media creation. It is a good fight for him though as a surprise win will, as impossible as it sounds, catapult him right back in to the mix.

As for Tua that situation is a little more complex than it looks. A couple of years back when he was real down on his luck he got himself locked into a TV deal with a NZ TV station (Maori TV) for relative peanuts and he still has 2 fights on his contract that he must honour to get out of that deal. The Barrett fight is really just a stay busy fight to get 1 of those contacted fights out of the way. Look for him to fight another bum real quick after that to fulfill the deal before he looks to step up later in the year.

BGv2.0
QUOTE (The CEO @ May 27 2010, 02:41 PM) *
LOL...I just asked "What if Grant KOed Adamek in 13 seconds?" in another thread, and you already broke it down here, BG.....damn Heavyweight Specialist...lol

thumbsup_anim.gif to you and this thread.



thumbsup_anim.gif "Heavyweight Specialist".....man....10-15 years ago....I would have worn that with pride....TODAY....it seems kind of sad.


AND....I have to take a second to play devil's advocate for Grant.....

I know Grant has a LOT of folks out there that hate him....but he did have his moments. He showed a hell of a lot of will and guts to pull himself off the canvas to make Golota quit. AND...say what you will about his destruction at the hands of LL.....you have to give him credit for at the very least taking his shot...unlike Tua....content to simply survive...Grant took it to Lewis from the opening bell, I have always said he really popped Lewis in that first round.....and despite eating multiple huge uppercuts....he pulled himself up to keep fighting every time.

He has some solid wins over decent opposition.....Sullivan, Savarese, Golota, etc....well before any were past their prime.

Grant was just a victim of mismanagement....he was thrown to the Lion..well before he was ever really prepared and it KILLED his self confidence. He was a very promising guy prior to the LL loss....after.....he was a shell of himself.

I have ZERO idea of what he looks like nowadays on this comeback....I know he was pretty young back then..so I'm sure he is not so far gone age wise....I'm sure he kept himself in good shape...

I personally welcome ANYBODY with the size to step in with the Klits....even if it's a guy the HW division pretty much shunned and forgot.
The CEO
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ May 28 2010, 01:47 AM) *
thumbsup_anim.gif "Heavyweight Specialist".....man....10-15 years ago....I would have worn that with pride....TODAY....it seems kind of sad.


AND....I have to take a second to play devil's advocate for Grant.....

I know Grant has a LOT of folks out there that hate him....but he did have his moments. He showed a hell of a lot of will and guts to pull himself off the canvas to make Golota quit. AND...say what you will about his destruction at the hands of LL.....you have to give him credit for at the very least taking his shot...unlike Tua....content to simply survive...Grant took it to Lewis from the opening bell, I have always said he really popped Lewis in that first round.....and despite eating multiple huge uppercuts....he pulled himself up to keep fighting every time.

He has some solid wins over decent opposition.....Sullivan, Savarese, Golota, etc....well before any were past their prime.

Grant was just a victim of mismanagement....he was thrown to the Lion..well before he was ever really prepared and it KILLED his self confidence. He was a very promising guy prior to the LL loss....after.....he was a shell of himself.

I have ZERO idea of what he looks like nowadays on this comeback....I know he was pretty young back then..so I'm sure he is not so far gone age wise....I'm sure he kept himself in good shape...

I personally welcome ANYBODY with the size to step in with the Klits....even if it's a guy the HW division pretty much shunned and forgot.



QUOTE (Fitz @ May 28 2010, 03:35 AM) *
Have to admit, BG is the heavyweight division man. Knows his stuff, and I found out when he was right about Toney all those years ago when I used to think he was just a bias hater, laugh.gif
The sad thing is, the pathetic division is holding BG back as well, as we could learn a lot more from you in regards to the division, except at the moment nobody really gives a shit about the heavyweights, lol.


Yeah...I've been thinking that BG should write an article about The Heavys for the site for a while now...I know a lot of fans don't give a shit about them nowadays, but knowledge is knowledge...

He could educate and entertain some readers for sure....possibly generate some re-interest towards the division...


Do it, BG!...become "The Heavyweight Specialist"...I know you like big girls too...it's perfect!

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Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ May 28 2010, 12:47 AM) *
I know Grant has a LOT of folks out there that hate him....but he did have his moments. He showed a hell of a lot of will and guts to pull himself off the canvas to make Golota quit. AND...say what you will about his destruction at the hands of LL.....you have to give him credit for at the very least taking his shot...unlike Tua....content to simply survive...Grant took it to Lewis from the opening bell, I have always said he really popped Lewis in that first round.....and despite eating multiple huge uppercuts....he pulled himself up to keep fighting every time.

He has some solid wins over decent opposition.....Sullivan, Savarese, Golota, etc....well before any were past their prime.

Grant was just a victim of mismanagement....he was thrown to the Lion..well before he was ever really prepared and it KILLED his self confidence. He was a very promising guy prior to the LL loss....after.....he was a shell of himself.

His win over David Izon was another good one as well.

I have to admit I was on the Grant bandwagon back in the late 90's, and the way he fought back against Golota only solidified that feeling to me. But I don't really know how he could have been more prepared for the fight with LL. Maybe another tune up against a guy who wouldn't have had him trouble in the first round would have helped his confidence. But honestly, the guy was just not good enough to hang with Lewis.

I agree though, at least he came out guns blazing in that first round. He was scared for sure, win or lose he was getting it over with. But he caught Lewis strong in those first few seconds, and that's more than a lot of guys accomplished.
BGv2.0
QUOTE (The CEO @ May 28 2010, 07:36 AM) *
Do it, BG!...become "The Heavyweight Specialist"...I know you like big girls too...it's perfect!
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laugh.gif Keep Beth Chapman out of this!


QUOTE (Big Slim Sweet @ May 28 2010, 11:43 AM) *
I have to admit I was on the Grant bandwagon back in the late 90's, and the way he fought back against Golota only solidified that feeling to me. But I don't really know how he could have been more prepared for the fight with LL. Maybe another tune up against a guy who wouldn't have had him trouble in the first round would have helped his confidence. But honestly, the guy was just not good enough to hang with Lewis.

I agree though, at least he came out guns blazing in that first round. He was scared for sure, win or lose he was getting it over with. But he caught Lewis strong in those first few seconds, and that's more than a lot of guys accomplished.


So was I!

BUT....when you think back....there is no shame in that, what was not to like?

Grant was a huge guy, with decent pop and some skills, he displayed heart in getting up in the Golota fight....seemed to be a well rooted legit nice guy....gained some impressive stoppages over decent opposition at the time.

So don't feel like you fell for a gimmick, because I do think the guy had a lot of potential.

However, when they announced the fight with LL....I KNEW the show was over...and had a feeling it would be ugly too.

LL was just way too much for Grant at that point, despite the impressive showings with decent opposition.

Personally had I been handling Grant, I would have put him in with the likes Briggs and Rudduck before Lewis and I think that might have made a big difference. Even Holmes late in his career was still a capable opponent with a great jab, active in 2000....

any of these guys would have better prepared Grant for that night with LL.

And as we all know depending on how bad a first loss is can often set the tone for a boxer....I think had Grant been better prepared, handled himself better and lasted longer and maybe even had his moments on route to a late round stoppage as opposed to what happened....I don't think his career would have taken a turn as it did.

For sure with the whole ankle debacle with McCline, who IMHO owes Grant every dime he ever made based on that BS "win". McCline's entire rise to decent opposition status was based on that one fight...prior to that he was HW Explosion Fodder for Cedric Cushner...and nothing more. AND....if anybody remembers just how bad HWE cards were....that's not saying much.

BUT....those two back to back ugly losses really got inside Grant's head...and he never looked the same. After those two fights he was so mega cautious, that he was going extended rounds with guys we would have taken out in early rounds prior to those fights.

I noticed that Grant has only fought one time in the last two years...and that was a 1 rd KO of Kevin Burnett....which tells me this was a VERY smart pick by the Adamek camp.

Not only did they pick a named guy with size yet questionable mentality...they picked one that has pretty much been on the shelf for awhile.

GREAT pick.....IF...Grant plays the role they are hoping he does and goes with the plan. BUT...any guy that's 6'7 and 250 lbs....regardless of rust can change the script real quick!

I'm very interested in this fight....I wonder if any network is picking it up?
Lil-lightsout
I always liked Michael Grant, seemed like a really nice guy. But to me something happened in that Golota fight, sure he won, but he was not the same after that. Then LL just totally ruined him. It was sad watching him in there after that in many of his fights. It was also sad watching Teddy berate him and try to get in his head. He was so timid and fragile and was like he expected to lose. Have not seen him fight for a bit, but heard he is on a win streak against modest competition. I am curious to see how he does against Adamek. TA is not a big puncher and he is a smaller heavyweight, so just maybe Grant can do okay against him? I will be rooting for him.
d843
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ May 26 2010, 10:07 PM) *
I didn't even realize that Grant was still fighting, lol. Why is Adamek fighting him or is he just trying to stay active?

Seems to me that Adamek is going to be one of those guys that has a small window of success at heavyweight. He's not a natural heavy and is taking on guys easily outweighing him 20-40 pounds every time out. The poor state of the heavyweight division lets him get away with that. Coming off of the Arreola win (who sadly rounds out the top 10) he should be riding that momentum trying to get a fight with another top 10 guy... not a guy 10 years past his prime.

I say try and land a big fight in Europe with a guy like Valuev or Povetkin and see what happens. Fighting the Michael Grants of the division aren't going to do him any good, and the risk of getting KOed by a lucky shot against a 250 pound guy is always there. What do you guys think?
ALL THESE BIG NAMES TUrNING DOWN FightS WITH THA KLITSCHKOs!WTF?!AIN'T NO1 WANT A PIECE OF DEM CATS!
MichalKopyta
I think Grant is just not a very smart puncher. I have never liked him - and as Lil-lightsout said - I think that he was even worse and worse after the fight with LL. Maybe he was thinking that he was the best and LL declassed him... anyway - professional fighter should just pass it by and take another fights with strong heart.

I will keep my fingers crossed for Tomasz Adamek but think that the Unibet's odds 1,10 for Adamek and 6,50 for Grant are a little exaggerated. Grant have slightly better chances - we must remember that Adamek has never been fighting with anyone of Michael's size.
JonnyBlaze
While everyone still wasn't diggin the heavyweight division years ago,the only guy I could talk to about it was BG..Keep it up man..I still like reading your thoughts on the heavyweights of today and old..
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