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Snoop
QUOTE (JD @ Aug 3 2010, 04:35 PM) *
He probably gets more leniency because many just feel as though Floyd is not likable, and in turn, are tired of his rhetoric while not really wanting to make the fights people want to see. Demeanor has a lot to do with how people react. Plus, Pacquiao actually is fighting and he isn't taking a prolonged / undefined break after just coming back from retiring.

Good point. Prolonged retirements do make Floyd look disinterested in the sport, which is probably true.

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As far as the PR war goes, Team Mayweather was like a bunch of kids trying to play around with a grown man in Arum...and he took them to school. Hence the fallout we are seeing. Add to it Team Mayweather's reaction and the damage control after Floyd said he just was not interested in boxing - and that's where we are now. The denial of any sort of negotiations combined with Greenburg, who in fact was the middle man and has had plenty of issues with Arum in the past, coming out and confirming what Arum said was a bad look for them...especially Ellerbe who jumped on the grenade.

Agreed with this also. But I think it says how much of this is actually about how facts are reported as opposed to the facts themselves. This whole thing has gone from a battle of the fighters to a battle of the promoters. At least that's the way I see it.
JD
QUOTE (Snoop @ Aug 3 2010, 12:55 PM) *
Good point. Prolonged retirements do make Floyd look disinterested in the sport, which is probably true.


Agreed with this also. But I think it says how much of this is actually about how facts are reported as opposed to the facts themselves. This whole thing has gone from a battle of the fighters to a battle of the promoters. At least that's the way I see it.


I think the press has gotten tired of Floyd too, and so now, even the ones that defended him in hopes of keeping a good rapport are done babying him.

Read the Iole article.
gravytrain
QUOTE (PR316 @ Aug 3 2010, 12:25 PM) *
I used to feel both sides were at fault, but to me its now clear that it was Mayweather all along.

He's the one that doesn't wanna fight. He's the one that has made excuse after excuse. Pacquiao has been ready the whole time for whenever Floyd decides he wants to fight.

He's now even agreed to all of Mayweather's terms and Floyd's excuse now is "I'm not thinking about boxing right now, I just want to relax"

Translation- "Fuck boxing and fuck all the fans and media because I'm Money Mayweather everything I do is right".

Need not remind that boxing is what made him. Not to also mention that the very same media and fans whom he expects to cover and buy his next NON-Pacquiao pay per view, are the ones he's really fucking in the ass here.

That whole "I wanna clean up boxing" thing was a ploy. It was nothing more than an escape route to avoid getting in the ring with Pacquiao.



I think the second negotiations were 80% political and 20% trying to actually make the fight. In the first negotiations both sides tried to make an effort, testing was just never agreed upon. The latest negotiations were ridiculous for multiple reasons:

-Pacquiao is still pursuing the defamation suit.

-Arum scheduled a fight where Mayweather is unsure of the future of his trainer, asking him to sign a contract without knowing what the status of his trainer will be is unreasonable.

-Ross Greenburg went on record saying the media killed the first negotiations, Arum used the media every chance he'd.

-Arum didn't live up to his exclusivity period he agreed upon with Greenburg. How much effort are you putting into negotiations when you already have two other fighters agreeing to fight Pacquiao and they're both fighters in your stable?

-Arum wont go into any drug testing specifics, however it's documented that Mayweather is no longer offering the 14 day cutoff yet Arum and Pacquiao are insisting on it. How are you trying to make a fight by offering something already rejected?

I think Bob Arum got what he was looking for in these past negotiations and it wasn't a fight with Mayweather, it's to discredit Mayweather and gain more leverage in future negotiations. He pushed the same rejected contract while shouting "I'm trying, Mayweather just doesn't want to fight!" and feeding information to the media, now Mayweather is left without any real supporters and will be the only one to blame if the fight doesn't happen in the future.

D-MARV
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 3 2010, 01:42 PM) *
I think the second negotiations were 80% political and 20% trying to actually make the fight. In the first negotiations both sides tried to make an effort, testing was just never agreed upon. The latest negotiations were ridiculous for multiple reasons:

-Pacquiao is still pursuing the defamation suit.

-Arum scheduled a fight where Mayweather is unsure of the future of his trainer, asking him to sign a contract without knowing what the status of his trainer will be is unreasonable.

-Ross Greenburg went on record saying the media killed the first negotiations, Arum used the media every chance he'd.

-Arum didn't live up to his exclusivity period he agreed upon with Greenburg. How much effort are you putting into negotiations when you already have two other fighters agreeing to fight Pacquiao and they're both fighters in your stable?

-Arum wont go into any drug testing specifics, however it's documented that Mayweather is no longer offering the 14 day cutoff yet Arum and Pacquiao are insisting on it. How are you trying to make a fight by offering something already rejected?

I think Bob Arum got what he was looking for in these past negotiations and it wasn't a fight with Mayweather, it's to discredit Mayweather and gain more leverage in future negotiations. He pushed the same rejected contract while shouting "I'm trying, Mayweather just doesn't want to fight!" and feeding information to the media, now Mayweather is left without any real supporters and will be the only one to blame if the fight doesn't happen in the future.

100% Agreed... and welcome to the boards.



Let me add this though... Mayweather did not do himself any favors by staying quiet during these negotiations.
Snoop
QUOTE (JD @ Aug 3 2010, 05:02 PM) *
I think the press has gotten tired of Floyd too, and so now, even the ones that defended him in hopes of keeping a good rapport are done babying him.

Read the Iole article.

Good read.

Floyd is a diva, Manny is a diva. Though Manny is a diva that fights, what bugs me about him is the farce of a legacy he's creating for himself i.e. champion in 8 weight classes. Doesn't mean I support Floyd though. The article shed light on many things I argue with Floyd fans, especially the part about Manny bringing in more revenue for the state of Nevada because of the high-roller Asians. laugh.gif
gravytrain
QUOTE (D-MARV @ Aug 3 2010, 01:54 PM) *
100% Agreed... and welcome to the boards.



Let me add this though... Mayweather did not do himself any favors by staying quiet during these negotiations.


Yeah, it only gave Arum's claims more credibility. I'd say Arum has the clear upper hand now, and if Margarito gets beat badly by Pacquiao it'll only get stronger.

JD
QUOTE (Snoop @ Aug 3 2010, 02:02 PM) *
Good read.

Floyd is a diva, Manny is a diva. Though Manny is a diva that fights, what bugs me about him is the farce of a legacy he's creating for himself i.e. champion in 8 weight classes. Doesn't mean I support Floyd though. The article shed light on many things I argue with Floyd fans, especially the part about Manny bringing in more revenue for the state of Nevada because of the high-roller Asians. laugh.gif


Yeah, I mean that is REALLY doing your homework. PPV #'s and gate are part of it, but when the casinos report Pac - Cotto crushed other fights for them, it adds the other side of it

High rolling Asians making a difference! LOL

I was surprised to read an article like that from Iole.
Snoop
QUOTE (JD @ Aug 3 2010, 07:01 PM) *
Yeah, I mean that is REALLY doing your homework. PPV #'s and gate are part of it, but when the casinos report Pac - Cotto crushed other fights for them, it adds the other side of it

High rolling Asians making a difference! LOL

I was surprised to read an article like that from Iole.

I couldn't help but laugh at that line when I read it.
JD
They do love to gamble, you know.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (PR316 @ Aug 4 2010, 02:25 AM) *
I used to feel both sides were at fault, but to me its now clear that it was Mayweather all along.

"snip"

That whole "I wanna clean up boxing" thing was a ploy. It was nothing more than an escape route to avoid getting in the ring with Pacquiao.


Spot on. Floyd is a blight on boxing.
Method
QUOTE (JD @ Aug 3 2010, 12:35 PM) *
As far as the PR war goes, Team Mayweather was like a bunch of kids trying to play around with a grown man in Arum...and he took them to school. Hence the fallout we are seeing. Add to it Team Mayweather's reaction and the damage control after Floyd said he just was not interested in boxing - and that's where we are now. The denial of any sort of negotiations combined with Greenburg, who in fact was the middle man and has had plenty of issues with Arum in the past, coming out and confirming what Arum said was a bad look for them...especially Ellerbe who jumped on the grenade.

Yup. All the Floyd apologists got checkmated when Greenburg broke his silence. And now Floyd chilling w DK cuz he unhappy w how his crackerjack squad handled the "NOgotiations".
STEVENSKI
Yall wrong everyone is playing checkers & Mayweather is playing chess. His only problem is that the guys playing checkers still managed to checkmate him.
Snoop
QUOTE (JD @ Aug 3 2010, 09:35 PM) *
They do love to gamble, you know.

LOL. Yes I do. All too well.
leonthegay
On a side note I read that he also was denied a 50K line of credit at the Waldorf in Puerto Rico and wound up having to stay at the Super 8? lol
Could Floyd be the one of the "richest" athletes but have bad credit? LOL
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (Method @ Aug 3 2010, 06:36 PM) *
Yup. All the Floyd apologists got checkmated when Greenburg broke his silence. And now Floyd chilling w DK cuz he unhappy w how his crackerjack squad handled the "NOgotiations".


laugh.gif

Hopefully Mayweather will feel the need to restore his reputation by fighting some dangerous guys.
Method
QUOTE (leonthegay @ Aug 4 2010, 01:27 PM) *
On a side note I read that he also was denied a 50K line of credit at the Waldorf in Puerto Rico and wound up having to stay at the Super 8?

There is no Waldorf in Puerto Rico. Hell, the Super 8 IS a Waldorf in PR.

In keeping with the theme of the thread, I heard Mayweather's landlord asked him for his rent and Floyd demanded a blood test or he wouldn't pay.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Method @ Aug 6 2010, 08:11 PM) *
There is no Waldorf in Puerto Rico. Hell, the Super 8 IS a Waldorf in PR.

In keeping with the theme of the thread, I heard Mayweather's landlord asked him for his rent and Floyd demanded a blood test or he wouldn't pay.


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