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BGv2.0
Tell me with polished skills you would not LOVE to see this guy with either Klit...but alas....none of them are choosing the boxing ring.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog...rn=ncaaf-262065


ROLL DEEP
DAAAAAYUM that's big!


Shorter career for more $$$? I'd chose football too!
BGv2.0
QUOTE (ROLL DEEP @ Aug 13 2010, 10:54 AM) *
DAAAAAYUM that's big!


Shorter career for more $$$? I'd chose football too!



BUT..if these guys were thinking right....they would see that their sheer size and the total lack of talent in the HW division could make you most likely MORE money over time and less damage to your body. I have no doubt a guy like that will suffer more damage to his legs and knees as a ball player than he ever would suffer overall as a boxer.

I don't understand how any in shape, young, strong guy over 200lbs in America today cannot look at the HW division and not see it as ripe for the picking...

If you were an 18 yo male, 6'3 or so 225lbs....how can you not lick your chops at the prospect of wiping out a classless bunch of bums...and gettting large sums of money to do it?

It boogles my mind.

Had this guy gotten into boxing..AND had been coached well and a decent force....even if he started late, with the Klits aging and NOBODY down the pike....the division would be his for the taking.

BGv2.0
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PR316
Why isn't he playing basketball? dntknw.gif

Dude's a beast.
Keith
QUOTE (PR316 @ Aug 13 2010, 12:47 PM) *
Why isn't he playing basketball? dntknw.gif

Dude's a beast.


He might be terribly uncoordinated.
Keith
...and/or have terrible stamina
SENTRAL
It shocks and amazes me how we dont have someone like this with a love for boxing and a personal desire to achieve super stardom and greatness as an individual. Does the heavyweight championship of the world not give some young hungry kid from somewhere in our nation a glint in their eye. Something to aspire to. To be world renowned. To be brilliant, the best there is, the best there ever was?

Somebody?
Keith

Provided someone has HW size and good athletisicm...

Boxing doesnt get you a scholarship to college. Plain and simple.

Football and basketball are far better options then boxing because they can get you an education.... And they also get you surrounded by college girls.
gravytrain
I'd rather see some future NBA players make the switch than some big offensive lineman. But let's be honest, who are kids looking up to in boxing? The stars aren't there anymore, American kids don't even have a fighter to look up to right now to be honest. When those kids are idolizing NBA and NFL players the last thing they're going to think about is punching a bag in some gym so you can later get punched in the face.

I think America will continue produce good fighters in the smaller weight classes but I don't see the HW division getting revived unless an American with loads of personality and talent comes along.
alaganza
Contracts with guaranteed money vs getting screwed by a promoter. I would take basketball or football too.
JLUVBABY
he'd big big and probably sorry as hell vs b level or better comp... he reminds me of a buddy of mine i graduated with Frank Middleton... Frank played for the raiders and the buccaneers... on the field he was a force just going forward... but he was slow as hell and no coordination...
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Aug 13 2010, 05:06 PM) *
he'd big big and probably sorry as hell vs b level or better comp... he reminds me of a buddy of mine i graduated with Frank Middleton... Frank played for the raiders and the buccaneers... on the field he was a force just going forward... but he was slow as hell and no coordination...


Yeah that's the problem with these big guys. Sure they are huge masses of muscle and bone, although in the picture that guy looks fat, but get them in combat and theyy are sure to be more slow than anything. He'd have more chances of using his strenght in MMA than in boxing.
SENTRAL
I dont think its a question of their current size. Seems a point is being missed here. A huge man trained to fight will develop a different set of skills to that same man trained to play football. Not all big guys are uncordinated and lacking in stamina.

Or should we give up and let the Europeans and Russians show us the way to go whilst we twiddle our thumbs and get left in the wilderness?
Keith
QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Aug 13 2010, 12:57 PM) *
It shocks and amazes me how we dont have someone like this with a love for boxing and a personal desire to achieve super stardom and greatness as an individual. Does the heavyweight championship of the world not give some young hungry kid from somewhere in our nation a glint in their eye. Something to aspire to. To be world renowned. To be brilliant, the best there is, the best there ever was?

Somebody?

QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Aug 13 2010, 06:11 PM) *
Or should we give up and let the Europeans and Russians show us the way to go whilst we twiddle our thumbs and get left in the wilderness?


Your words and your sig make me want to be a better man.

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gravytrain
Deontay Wilder shows some promise, with the right team he can be a good fighter.. But will he dethrone one of the Klitschkos? I doubt it, he'll fight for a title after they retire. I think I'll actually dislike the division more without the brothers than with it, it'd be hard to take a bunch of fighters too scared to take some titles seriously when they've a title because it's vacated.

Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Aug 13 2010, 06:11 PM) *
I dont think its a question of their current size. Seems a point is being missed here. A huge man trained to fight will develop a different set of skills to that same man trained to play football. Not all big guys are uncordinated and lacking in stamina.

Or should we give up and let the Europeans and Russians show us the way to go whilst we twiddle our thumbs and get left in the wilderness?


This isn't nation v.s nation. Two Ukranians rule the Heavyweight division. Who cares? Boxing seems to be doing fine without it.

In regards to the size issue; generally if you have a guy who's more than 6ft 7" he will be slower and more uncoordinated. That's just how it is. Now, that doesn't mean a person of that size wouldn't be successful in MMA where they can use their strenght and size to their full advantage. In boxing however, the main energy invested is in punching and moving, not grappling or laying on top of a guy. Actually, wrestling and holding sounds a lot like what the heavyweight division is right now, so I digress.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Aug 13 2010, 10:48 AM) *
Tell me with polished skills you would not LOVE to see this guy with either Klit...but alas....none of them are choosing the boxing ring.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog...rn=ncaaf-262065

Size doesn't mean shit..
Keith
QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Aug 13 2010, 07:35 PM) *
Size doesn't mean shit..


What do you mean by shit?

... that size doesnt factor into a fight?
BGv2.0
QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Aug 13 2010, 05:11 PM) *
I dont think its a question of their current size. Seems a point is being missed here. A huge man trained to fight will develop a different set of skills to that same man trained to play football. Not all big guys are uncordinated and lacking in stamina.


100% spot on. That is what I have been saying. Had this same guy focused his mind on boxing at a young age, he MIGHT be a force in the HW division.Nothing is ever certain....but all I'm saying is if we at least had a few guys of this size that would focus on Boxing.....they could totally overrun the division.

And for those actually saying they would choose other sports over boxing due to some supposed idea of more money less injury or whatever....I'd like to know how you figure that would be the case?

If you were this guy and taking guys heads off ala 80's Tyson....you would be making a boatload of cash...even taking out nobodies....it's what Tyson did way back then....

I still say the injuries this guy will suffer in the NFL over the long haul will be much more than he ever would as a fighter.

"Size doesn't mean shit"

What world you live in? Valuev....who is one of the worst skilled HW's I've ever seen was a mutiple champion and won most of his fights with that single card. It's also a big part of the reason the Klits have been on top of the garbage heap for this long.

That sounds all tough and shit....but it's not true...size means plenty.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Keith @ Aug 13 2010, 06:57 PM) *
What do you mean by shit?

... that size doesnt factor into a fight?

Size doesn't factor into a fight unless you know how to use it..Still then,skills can override size..

BG,Valuev was a heavyweight champ in the last few years..So what??Who in the division was there to stop him at the time??If you a shitty small guy vs. a shitty big guy,I'm pretty sure the big guy will win..If you let the size scare you,you're always psyched out mentally and put yourself at a disadvantage..

I know I give shitty examples as some of you have said but if Frazier,Tyson,Archie,Ezzard,Greb,and Micky Walker have shown that height or weight doesn't make as much of a factor as we think if you have skills,even if your bigger opponent has a lot of skill..-------I don't know what bums you want me to use in examples but I try sometime..
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Keith @ Aug 13 2010, 06:58 PM) *
Your words and your sig make me want to be a better man.

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A piece of advice Keith, SENTRAL never resonds to this kind of flattery taunt.gif
caneman
The fight that never happened!

I would think some of y'all young bucks never knew about this!
gravytrain
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Aug 13 2010, 08:11 PM) *
100% spot on. That is what I have been saying. Had this same guy focused his mind on boxing at a young age, he MIGHT be a force in the HW division.Nothing is ever certain....but all I'm saying is if we at least had a few guys of this size that would focus on Boxing.....they could totally overrun the division.

And for those actually saying they would choose other sports over boxing due to some supposed idea of more money less injury or whatever....I'd like to know how you figure that would be the case?

If you were this guy and taking guys heads off ala 80's Tyson....you would be making a boatload of cash...even taking out nobodies....it's what Tyson did way back then....

I still say the injuries this guy will suffer in the NFL over the long haul will be much more than he ever would as a fighter.

"Size doesn't mean shit"

What world you live in? Valuev....who is one of the worst skilled HW's I've ever seen was a mutiple champion and won most of his fights with that single card. It's also a big part of the reason the Klits have been on top of the garbage heap for this long.

That sounds all tough and shit....but it's not true...size means plenty.


Have you forgotten about boxers losing probably 40% of their purse to their trainer and promoter then like 35% of their income to taxes? The NFL and NBA players will be making similar or better than the boxers making serious money.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Aug 13 2010, 12:06 PM) *
BUT..if these guys were thinking right....they would see that their sheer size and the total lack of talent in the HW division could make you most likely MORE money over time and less damage to your body. I have no doubt a guy like that will suffer more damage to his legs and knees as a ball player than he ever would suffer overall as a boxer.

I don't understand how any in shape, young, strong guy over 200lbs in America today cannot look at the HW division and not see it as ripe for the picking...

If you were an 18 yo male, 6'3 or so 225lbs....how can you not lick your chops at the prospect of wiping out a classless bunch of bums...and gettting large sums of money to do it?

It boogles my mind.

Had this guy gotten into boxing..AND had been coached well and a decent force....even if he started late, with the Klits aging and NOBODY down the pike....the division would be his for the taking.


It's funny BG coz I was having this conversation with a buddy of mine like 2 days ago who is a sports fans but not a great boxing nut. He asked me why there were no great American HW champs anymore and I explained that potential fighters are getting sucked up by other sports.

However I'm with you. If there is a kid, 220 plus pounds, muscle atheleticism the whole nine yards who had a taste for the sport they would make 10 times more money than any other pro athelete in the states. Well maybe I overstate it but you get the drift. In this age of the PPV can you imagine the kind of dough a young Mike tyson could make? It blows my mind. And I mean the young Tyson before the rape rials, ear biting and all that shit. People forget that before that shit Mike was actually a marketable guy.

If that version of Tyson came along, and let's say didn't go too spectaularly off the rails I would say you could probably make him a billionaire, Tiger Woods type money. If I was a talent scout around the universities, schools etc I would have my eyes peeled for this kid because you find him it's payola time. Geez I spend enough time wandering around South Auckland trying to find the next David Tua!! LOL. Even a Tua would make you a lot of money in this day and age laugh.gif

At some point a great HW will come along and his earnings will be astronomical. It may even encourage others to take up the sport.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 13 2010, 08:59 PM) *
Have you forgotten about boxers losing probably 40% of their purse to their trainer and promoter then like 35% of their income to taxes? The NFL and NBA players will be making similar or better than the boxers making serious money.


Remember Gravy a young pre jail Tyson was making huge money off endorsement deals. That is where the Federer and Woods' of the world clean up. The prizemoney is secondary.
Keith
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 13 2010, 08:53 PM) *
A piece of advice Keith, SENTRAL never resonds to this kind of flattery taunt.gif


Don't really care. She put it up there for us to look at.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Keith @ Aug 13 2010, 09:05 PM) *
Don't really care. She put it up there for us to look at.


You care enough to want to be a better man laugh.gif
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 13 2010, 08:25 PM) *
Yeah I have tried, but she doesn't have a bar of it. She is so dreamy. I wonder what her name is.


SENTRAL you fool! (or probably Jim from Wisconsin) laugh.gif
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 13 2010, 08:30 PM) *
No, I think SENTRAL is maybe her bedroom name or something. It kind of sounds like a big cat. Sentral Tiger or something. I'm think her real name. But man, if it was Sentral, that would be a really exotic name.


laugh.gif her bedroom name. Have you given yourself a bedroom name Fitz? laugh.gif
Keith

I dont know about a bedroom name...

...but my porn alias is K. Y. Scrogggins.

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The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Keith @ Aug 13 2010, 09:32 PM) *
I dont know about a bedroom name...

...but my porn alias is K. Y. Scrogggins.

ph34r.gif


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I had a friend once whose surname is Couch and we threw it into the software that turns your name into a porn name. His came out as 'couchpounder' laugh.gif
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 13 2010, 09:24 PM) *
Nah not for me, lol.

Yeah,Fitz doesn't have a bedroom name,but he does have a porn name..You asked the wrong question Ollie..Of course MR. Porn himself has a fantasy name..He's shy behind the computer but if ya put him infront of a camera he'll start peeing on someone..

Keith
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 13 2010, 10:47 PM) *
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I had a friend once whose surname is Couch and we threw it into the software that turns your name into a porn name. His came out as 'couchpounder' laugh.gif


They have software for that? laugh.gif

Dennis Couchpounder.

Jimmy Coldtoungue.

Mark Spot.

Horace Cooter.

Peter Drizzle.

Bo Sokes.
Mean Mister Mustard
Keith, Ollie and Fitz breaking it down. The dangerous trio.
Keith
QUOTE (Mean Mister Mustard @ Aug 13 2010, 11:35 PM) *
Keith, Ollie and Fitz breaking it down. The dangerous trio.


:salutes:
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 13 2010, 09:05 PM) *
Remember Gravy a young pre jail Tyson was making huge money off endorsement deals. That is where the Federer and Woods' of the world clean up. The prizemoney is secondary.


Ball players get endorsements too. If I were in a position to choose basketball or boxing I'd go with Basketball for a few reasons:

-NBA has a union and the players get to enjoy the benefits of a union

-Less likely to get injured than a sport where the entire point of it's to punch each other

-Scholarship opportunities

-Olympics as a professional

-More money and endorsement opportunities while starting out

I'm willing to bet that the decline of boxing and increased popularity of the NFL and NBA[as well as no more color barrier] swayed the next HW champ to pick up football or basketball, then they passed football/basketball to their kids and it continued on.
King Eugene
If everyone met would you prefer to be called by your real name or your screen name? laugh.gif

I'm sorry but I refuse to call Ken...sofine. LMAO
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 13 2010, 11:12 PM) *
Ball players get endorsements too. If I were in a position to choose basketball or boxing I'd go with Basketball for a few reasons:

-NBA has a union and the players get to enjoy the benefits of a union

-Less likely to get injured than a sport where the entire point of it's to punch each other

-Scholarship opportunities

-Olympics as a professional

-More money and endorsement opportunities while starting out

I'm willing to bet that the decline of boxing and increased popularity of the NFL and NBA[as well as no more color barrier] swayed the next HW champ to pick up football or basketball, then they passed football/basketball to their kids and it continued on.


But I'll ask you this. If a young Mike Tyson came along, cleaned up the whole division do you believe there is a ball player who would get bigger endorsement deals? I don't. I would go so far as to say I doubt there would be an athelete in any sport who would get bigger endorsement deals.
King Eugene
Fact of the matter is Boxing has lost some of its popularity in the mainstream. Its not the "thing" to do anymore. Hell it doesn't even have a pension plan. Education highly emphasized now days. Thinks about it...a lot of(not all) successful fighters didn't even finish HS. They pretty much went out on a limb. You have a better chance at being successful playing football and basketball than you do boxing.

Look at Dwight Howard...I'd love to see this big athletic son of a gun in the ring letting his hands fly but he finds it more appealing entertaining 20k plus fans every other night dunking on cats and wearing super man capes. He just turned 21 not too long ago. Look how fast he became popular and RICH! Tyson is a product of good timing, during his early years it was there for the taking. We wont see another Tyson I'm guessing just like you wont see another Tiger Woods.

Its like Mayweather chooses his fights....High Reward combined with low risk. Hell that's why I stopped boxing as a kid. The football field was more appealing, my hands wasn't as fast as Roy Jones, and all of my other friends where playing too.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Aug 14 2010, 01:22 AM) *
Fact of the matter is Boxing has lost some of its popularity in the mainstream. Its not the "thing" to do anymore. Hell it doesn't even have a pension plan. Education highly emphasized now days. Thinks about it...a lot of(not all) successful fighters didn't even finish HS. They pretty much went out on a limb. You have a better chance at being successful playing football and basketball than you do boxing.

Look at Dwight Howard...I'd love to see this big athletic son of a gun in the ring letting his hands fly but he finds it more appealing entertaining 20k plus fans every other night dunking on cats and wearing super man capes. He just turned 21 not too long ago. Look how fast he became popular and RICH! Tyson is a product of good timing, during his early years it was there for the taking. We wont see another Tyson I'm guessing just like you wont see another Tiger Woods.

Its like Mayweather chooses his fights....High Reward combined with low risk. Hell that's why I stopped boxing as a kid. The football field was more appealing, my hands wasn't as fast as Roy Jones, and all of my other friends where playing too.


Which is the point I'm exactly trying to make. The kid that has potential that does come along will clean up. Boxing may not be 'the thing' to do anymore in America but it is still a huge sport elsewhere. A great American HW can generate huge endorsement deals both in the states and the rest of the world as opposed to your basketballer's, baseball players and American footballers whom aren't that well known internationally. Maybe some basketball players, but certainly not football and baseballers.

We won't see another Tyson? I'm not so sure.

It's like De la Hoya. After he went many said boxing would never see a PPV superstar like him again and now we have 2.

Although we may not a see a short, compact wrecking machine type fighter I'm convinced that somewhere at sometime a great charismatic American HW will come through. Think about it, if WW's like PBF and Pac can do the PPV numbers that they do what would an American HW knocking the shit out of people left right and centre generate? Insane numbers I bet.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Mean Mister Mustard @ Aug 13 2010, 11:35 PM) *
Keith, Ollie and Fitz breaking it down. The dangerous trio.


Ha ha, absolutely. Check out the porn titles thread in the general section.
King Eugene
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 14 2010, 01:36 AM) *
Which is the point I'm exactly trying to make. The kid that has potential that does come along will clean up. Boxing may not be 'the thing' to do anymore in America but it is still a huge sport elsewhere. A great American HW can generate huge endorsement deals both in the states and the rest of the world as opposed to your basketballer's, baseball players and American footballers whom aren't that well known internationally. Maybe some basketball players, but certainly not football and baseballers.

We won't see another Tyson? I'm not so sure.

It's like De la Hoya. After he went many said boxing would never see a PPV superstar like him again and now we have 2.

Although we may not a see a short, compact wrecking machine type fighter I'm convinced that somewhere at sometime a great charismatic American HW will come through. Think about it, if WW's like PBF and Pac can do the PPV numbers that they do what would an American HW knocking the shit out of people left right and centre generate? Insane numbers I bet.

More plays into it man. Would you rather take the chance of getting dunked on or KO'd? Like I said its all about risk vs. reward and you tend to get more reward for less risk.

American football players may not be known worldwide but when they are signing $60-$100 million contracts I'm sure they could care less about what John Finch in England thinks about their popularity.

I highly doubt we see another Tyson. Dude was one of a kind. You have a very very small chance at finding someone with the same mindset as Tyson(younger), with that type of training, with type of coach, and opportunity.

At the end of the day getting smacked in the helmet gets you more money than being punched in the face.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 13 2010, 10:01 PM) *
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I know you have brined your face with bull piss, are you hinting you want your face brined by another bull?

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hahahaha..Dude everytime porn is brought up on FH,you're the first person I'm expecting to respond..
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Aug 14 2010, 02:18 AM) *
More plays into it man. Would you rather take the chance of getting dunked on or KO'd? Like I said its all about risk vs. reward and you tend to get more reward for less risk.

American football players may not be known worldwide but when they are signing $60-$100 million contracts I'm sure they could care less about what John Finch in England thinks about their popularity.

I highly doubt we see another Tyson. Dude was one of a kind. You have a very very small chance at finding someone with the same mindset as Tyson(younger), with that type of training, with type of coach, and opportunity.

At the end of the day getting smacked in the helmet gets you more money than being punched in the face.


Eugene you're not quite getting my point. I do agree and I see that is the reason why young atheletes are choosing sports like football over boxing.

However I'm sure that at some point another great young HW will come along and when he does, largely because of the (American) drought we currently have in the division, that fighter is going to clean up to the tune of about a billion dollars.

Promoted correctly, managed and trained correctly (and props to Tyson's original team of Cayton, Jacobs and Rooney) and call me crazy, being undisputed HW champion of the world is still the most lucrative and marketable title in sports.
caneman
lmao! This thread has been hijacked! I wonder if that is what happened to Dick Trickle?!?!?
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 14 2010, 01:11 AM) *
But I'll ask you this. If a young Mike Tyson came along, cleaned up the whole division do you believe there is a ball player who would get bigger endorsement deals? I don't. I would go so far as to say I doubt there would be an athelete in any sport who would get bigger endorsement deals.


I think that fighter would require some serious marketing to be in that position now, harder than it'd be for Tyson back in his day. Starting out from nothing would also require them to spend about five years to be in that position, they'd be age 23. A high profile NBA player? They'd be a superstar by that age and already have corporate sponsorships. I think a fighter would need the personality of Ali and ferocity of a prime Tyson to be in the position Tyson was[or preferably Ali's position].

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 14 2010, 04:41 PM) *
I think that fighter would require some serious marketing to be in that position now, harder than it'd be for Tyson back in his day. Starting out from nothing would also require them to spend about five years to be in that position, they'd be age 23. A high profile NBA player? They'd be a superstar by that age and already have corporate sponsorships. I think a fighter would need the personality of Ali and ferocity of a prime Tyson to be in the position Tyson was[or preferably Ali's position].


Again I'll respectfully disagree. Due to the fact the division is a compelte wasteland I think a fighter, and lets say they've just come out of winning gold at an Olympics, could be in a very marketable position in 2 years.

Agreed that still may take a little longer than NBA players who are already making big dough but could you imagine if an American HW version of the Pac-man came along? How much fuckin money would he make?
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 14 2010, 07:16 PM) *
Again I'll respectfully disagree. Due to the fact the division is a compelte wasteland I think a fighter, and lets say they've just come out of winning gold at an Olympics, could be in a very marketable position in 2 years.

Agreed that still may take a little longer than NBA players who are already making big dough but could you imagine if an American HW version of the Pac-man came along? How much fuckin money would he make?


He could make a lot of money, there's no denying that. I just think it'd be hard to persuade a basketball or football player with legitimate shot of turning professional into picking up boxing.

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 15 2010, 12:22 AM) *
He could make a lot of money, there's no denying that. I just think it'd be hard to persuade a basketball or football player with legitimate shot of turning professional into picking up boxing.


No I'm not denying it. Geez how many ways can I make this point?

What I am saying, is that the kid who does choose boxing (and trust me there will be one) will end up going on to reap the same kind of financial benefits that maybe only Tiger Woods is currently making (current meltdown aside.)

How hard is this to understand??
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