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Col Reb
I think it's Couture in less than a minute, but I sure hope I'm wrong.
King Eugene
Voted for Couture but rooting like hell for James "Balogne" Toney
BGv2.0
I'm picking Toney to win. Only because I think it will be some rigged BS...it might look real...but in the end it's BS to get Toney another fight at MMA/UFC.

Toney's mouth earns to much potential money for Dana White and his supposed hatred for boxing....

This is the setup for some BS like back in the day at WWF with Sone Cold and Jim M. Ge Toney a couple wins in UFC and all the talking to get him and White in the ring together....

I HATE MMA!
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
Ah what the hell I went for Toney, possibly via side check kick or a karatze submission hold laugh.gif

BURGER KING!
Lil-lightsout
Toney by a real KO within the first minute. It will be extremely brutal.
Jack 1000
I don't think Dana White wants Toney to win unless he is lining his pockets for more fights in the UFC. I vote for Couture.

Jack
AussieLad
Randy by ground n pound. He'll cop a grazing shot coming in, press toney up against the fence and maul him. He will hold toney there, kneeing him in the thigh several times before dropping down and scooping the knees for a double leg take down. James will grab some half arse guilotine which will be easily shrugged off by couture, and then the blows start raining down till a stoppage is called. James will be alert but not defending himself and taking shots, he will get up and complain about a quick stoppage when in reality there is nothing he can legitimately complain about

Should james land a hail mary on couture and knock him out, expect them to throw james to the real wolves of the division.

I think Toney vs Dos Santos is interesting. Dos Santos will trade hands with toney almost exclusively. That would be a fight that shows how developed or under developed striking is in MMA comapred with boxing
The Original MrFactor
i think Toney gets submitted and taps out. You dont bring a killer whale on land and expect him to fight an elephant. Toney is going into the other man's game. I think he gets beat, but it wont stop him from talking a lot of trash.
lloyd mayflower
Went with Couture, hope its Couture, by unspecfied very painful method
Sunni6Killer
Unfortunately Couture.
Dreamtime
Let's be real. Toney has a "punchers chance" but its very unlikely. If Randy gets his hands on Toney in any way shape or form its over for Toney. The only chance Toney has is to sneak in a punch before Randy takes him down or pushes him against the fence. In order for Toney to stop the take down his sprawl has to be pretty damn good. Considering his lack of experience (in sprawling) and his age, it's very unlikely that he will be able to sprawl at all to avoid Randy's take down. The idea that he will hit Randy and knock him out if Randy goes for his legs is ridiculous. It never happens. Randy will be too low to the ground for Toney to connect. Once Randy has hold of Toney he'll tie up his arms and neutralize his punching. Then he'll take him down. When he mounts Toney, Toney says he knock out Randy from the bottom. Come on. Randy will rain down punches and Toney will give him his back to avoid getting hit in the face. All over.

For those of you who think this fight is fixed, you've been watching boxing too long. UFC has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it operates for the overall good of the sport and the UFC, rather than for the good of an individual promoter and boxers, as in boxing. UFC is straight up. Randy is straight up. Dana White isn't going to sacrifice the integrity of the sport for this one fight.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Dreamtime @ Aug 26 2010, 03:17 PM) *
Let's be real. Toney has a "punchers chance" but its very unlikely. If Randy gets his hands on Toney in any way shape or form its over for Toney. The only chance Toney has is to sneak in a punch before Randy takes him down or pushes him against the fence. In order for Toney to stop the take down his sprawl has to be pretty damn good. Considering his lack of experience (in sprawling) and his age, it's very unlikely that he will be able to sprawl at all to avoid Randy's take down. The idea that he will hit Randy and knock him out if Randy goes for his legs is ridiculous. It never happens. Randy will be too low to the ground for Toney to connect. Once Randy has hold of Toney he'll tie up his arms and neutralize his punching. Then he'll take him down. When he mounts Toney, Toney says he knock out Randy from the bottom. Come on. Randy will rain down punches and Toney will give him his back to avoid getting hit in the face. All over.

For those of you who think this fight is fixed, you've been watching boxing too long. UFC has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it operates for the overall good of the sport and the UFC, rather than for the good of an individual promoter and boxers, as in boxing. UFC is straight up. Randy is straight up. Dana White isn't going to sacrifice the integrity of the sport for this one fight.


I agree with this, but especially the bottom bit. Dana White knows hes on a winner with UFC and its stacking up pretty well against boxing these days, maybe not the superfights, but in general. Theres no point in risking all that by fixing the outcome one way or the other. Couture wins, the ignorant among MMA fans get high on how much better than boxing MMA is, Toney wins, it sets up a legitimate massive fight with anyone else in contention in the HW division.

I think this event will probably do decent numbers so why risk fucking it all up in front of a large audience
Sunni6Killer
Couture by sub sad.gif
JD
Man...are that many picking Toney?

LOL

Couture by way of mangling.
The CEO
lol...I voted Toney...it was fun.

Bottom line?...it doesn't matter who wins this particular fight...it means and says nothing.
Warlord
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Aug 26 2010, 01:31 AM) *
I'm picking Toney to win. Only because I think it will be some rigged BS...it might look real...but in the end it's BS to get Toney another fight at MMA/UFC.

Toney's mouth earns to much potential money for Dana White and his supposed hatred for boxing....


I hate Dana White, but as several others have already stated, you aren't gonna see fixed fights in the UFC. It is a sole enterprise, like the NFL or NBA. The owners of these orgs actually care about their business. They understand the market. They have a clear philosophy.

Boxing doesn't. Don't get the two sports mixed up.

QUOTE
This is the setup for some BS like back in the day at WWF with Sone Cold and Jim M. Ge Toney a couple wins in UFC and all the talking to get him and White in the ring together....

I don't think you even believe what you just typed.

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I HATE MMA!

It's a pity to see such pre-conditioned responses like this. A good fight is a good fight, man. It doesn't matter where it happens. You guys can pretend to watch boxing for the "sweet science" all you want, but in reality, it's still two guys beating the snot out of each other. I mean, let's not muck about here. We're entertaining ourselves with the pain and violence of others.

So much the sweeter when we have 2 real practitioners of pain, who are skilled enough to go to war, dishing out and receiving ungodly amounts of punishment.

This is what we want.

Period.

In boxing we rarely, if ever, see two prime guys going up against each other. If we do, it's because they've ducked and dodged and bitched and moaned to the point that they finally place themselves into a corner, and have no other choice. (Much like David Haye and Floyd Gayweather are in the process of doing.)

In MMA you get prime guys going at it every goddamn month, from the top of the card to the bottom. And money is never an issue. These guys are fighting for peanuts and a carton of orange juice. If this were happening in boxing you'd be nutting all over yourself.
PR316
Ultimately I don't give two shits about this.

The ignorant young fans of MMA will say that this proves MMA is superior if Randy wins. If Toney wins, it sets up some big money fights with either Dos Santos or Lesnar.

The only thing that would make UFC remotely interesting is if Toney wins.
Warlord
QUOTE (PR316 @ Aug 27 2010, 12:31 AM) *
Ultimately I don't give two shits about this.

Well obviously you do, because you clicked on the thread and then took enough time out of your busy day to write out a response.

You know what I do if I really don't give two shits about something? I ignore it completely.

QUOTE
The ignorant young fans of MMA will say that this proves MMA is superior if Randy wins.

The ignorant young fans of boxing will say that this proves boxing is superior if Toney wins.

QUOTE
If Toney wins, it sets up some big money fights with either Dos Santos or Lesnar.

For a guy that doesn't give two shits about this you've made some interesting projections about the future should Toney win. Why bother?

QUOTE
The only thing that would make UFC remotely interesting is if Toney wins.

The UFC would still be doing its thing with or without James Toney. This coming from a HUGE James Toney fan who actually wants Toney to win, regardless of the dumb shit boxing fans would be saying if that were the case.
AussieLad
I recomend watching toneys interview with joe rogan at ufc.com. Its a decent interview where toney actually talks some sense rather than his usual garbage.

He points out some legitimate gripes with striking in MMA. Like the deficiency in rolling with punches. However he is ignorant in the vulnerability of fighters coming in with the shoot. If you cant defend the shoot, you only have one chance to land a punch as your opponent comes in. One punch is all you get. I honestly believe toney would lose to the best middleweight grapplers. Chael Sonnen would embarass toney despite a huge weight disadvantage. Hell, i think GSP would take him down. That guy is a fucking champion at shooting

To be honest, i wouldnt mind if toney won. What i want to see is the best of the best, the greatest fighter being crowned, whether that is a diverse skillset (MMA) or a specialist skillset (boxing). I dont really care about style preferences. Well to be honest, i hate floyd because of his safety first style, i want to see two guys go at it till one falls. I am happy as long as 2 guys come to genuinely fight. I think toney has the skills and attitude to truly represent the sport of boxing in the pain game. Maybe he is not prime, but there is no-one in the heavyweight division as skilled and old school as toney

As an afterthought, Toney stated he would like to face Brock is he wins vs Couture. Brock rapes toney. They might as well give Brock a jar of vaseline before he enters the octagon, to prevent him tearing his foreskin
JLUVBABY
toney lokoed like shit in the weigh in... lol... i know that doesnt matter, hell it never really has with james... but if bodies told the story james loses big.. lol... the ring card girl was cracking up laughing at him...
Fitz
JD
Man...Toney was carrying some weight. LOL
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 27 2010, 07:05 PM) *


Wow James has really put on some weight since that official UFC photo was done laugh.gif
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 28 2010, 02:06 AM) *
Wow James has really put on some weight since that official UFC photo was done laugh.gif



LMAO!!!

I do not follow MMA, but I thought usually all these MMA guys are supposed to be fighting around the same weight? Or is this considered a heavyweight fight? I do not know how the weight classes work in UFC. It does irritate me Toney comes into the ring this fat for this fight, but what else would we all expect?
Fitz
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Aug 28 2010, 04:51 PM) *
LMAO!!!

I do not follow MMA, but I thought usually all these MMA guys are supposed to be fighting around the same weight? Or is this considered a heavyweight fight? I do not know how the weight classes work in UFC. It does irritate me Toney comes into the ring this fat for this fight, but what else would we all expect?


I'm pretty sure that Courture was a light heavy and heavy, and I think (could be wrong) has fought recently as a light heavy, but due to Toney's circumstances, lol. The fight is going to be at heavyweight.
Warlord
QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 28 2010, 04:05 AM) *
I'm pretty sure that Courture was a light heavy and heavy, and I think (could be wrong) has fought recently as a light heavy, but due to Toney's circumstances, lol. The fight is going to be at heavyweight.

You're right. Randy has fought (and captured titles) at both weights. Randy has also been most recently fighting at 205lbs.

This fight is at heavyweight, because it was quite clear from the get go that Toney

a.) wanted to fight at heavy, and
b.) was never going to be able to make 205lbs anyway.
King Eugene
QUOTE (Warlord @ Aug 28 2010, 04:18 AM) *
You're right. Randy has fought (and captured titles) at both weights. Randy has also been most recently fighting at 205lbs.

This fight is at heavyweight, because it was quite clear from the get go that Toney

a.) wanted to fight at heavy, and
b.) was never going to be able to make 205lbs anyway.

Probably was never going to attempt to try either.
Warlord
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Aug 28 2010, 03:22 AM) *
Probably was never going to attempt to try either.

Absolutely right. If Toney even dreamed of making 205lb he better wake up an apologize.
AussieLad
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Aug 27 2010, 08:31 PM) *
toney lokoed like shit in the weigh in... lol... i know that doesnt matter, hell it never really has with james... but if bodies told the story james loses big.. lol... the ring card girl was cracking up laughing at him...


That was because of the ample "plumbers crack" on display

salvador
James Toney's finest hour will, for me, always be the Jirov fight. And even though Holyfield was definitely past it when they fought, I think that was probably Toney's highest profile win. Iran Barkley and Michael Nunn are obviously huge name wins as well. But I almost wonder if Couture is his highest profile fight. I suppose it's possible that this could be his biggest grossing fight.

I don't watch MMA and have no idea how big this thing actually is going to be (I don't think I had even heard of Couture before it was announced), but it sure seems like this is getting a lot of press as a big time event. Wouldn't it be funny if this ended up being the fight Toney was most famous for?


SENTRAL
I've voted for Toney and the only reason I have taken an interest in this fight is because I have sadly and wrongly bought into this MMA vs boxing thing.

James, as a natural born old school fighter will win this fight. He is and always has been a great infighter and tonight he will land a hook or an uppercut and it will be enough to take out Couture.

......And if it does go the other way I will have an empty feeling in my the pit of my stomach.
Big Slim Sweet
I am honestly right here right now picking James Toney to knock out Randy Couture early based off that weigh-in.

It's just a "gut" feeling I have.

laugh.gif

Couture looks like he's taking Lights Out a bit lightly.

WAR JAMES MOTHERFUCKING TONEY
Spyder
It will be boring with a lot of Randy laying on top of James. Toney will call Randy a bitch in the post-fight for hugging him instead of fighting him. Randy wins a slow methodical decision.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Aug 28 2010, 03:51 PM) *
I've voted for Toney and the only reason I have taken an interest in this fight is because I have sadly and wrongly bought into this MMA vs boxing thing.

James, as a natural born old school fighter will win this fight. He is and always has been a great infighter and tonight he will land a hook or an uppercut and it will be enough to take out Couture.

......And if it does go the other way I will have an empty feeling in my the pit of my stomach.


Want it filled?

Joking, but seriously whilst you are toiling with an empty stomach pit, I will be pissing myself laughing, I cant wait to see that prick get starched. And I prefer boxing to MMA, but I cant stand Toney.
AussieLad
QUOTE (Spyder @ Aug 28 2010, 03:47 PM) *
It will be boring with a lot of Randy laying on top of James. Toney will call Randy a bitch in the post-fight for hugging him instead of fighting him. Randy wins a slow methodical decision.



Highly doubt it will be a decision win.

James must stop Randy in his small window of oppurtunity. And if it goes to the ground, James doesnt have the skills to stop the onslaught.

Odds are best for a first round stoppage whichever way it goes
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Aug 28 2010, 05:53 PM) *
Highly doubt it will be a decision win.

James must stop Randy in his small window of oppurtunity. And if it goes to the ground, James doesnt have the skills to stop the onslaught.

Odds are best for a first round stoppage whichever way it goes


He also doesn't have the fitness to stop it.
Spyder
James can fat it up pretty good on the ground. He's also a lot stronger than people think...there will be A LOT of clinching, and A LOT of man-on-man action on the ground.

I'll stick with my prediction of a boring, decision victory for RC.
SmartyBeardo
It's been a time warp, but couture's jaw is still cracked. JT puts him to sleep.
The CEO
LOL...Beardo's back......welcome back.
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (The CEO @ Aug 28 2010, 10:06 PM) *
LOL...Beardo's back......welcome back.

I'm not sure if I'm back, but I'm still breathin'.
D-MARV
What's Up Smarty?


Glad you're back.
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (D-MARV @ Aug 28 2010, 10:12 PM) *
What's Up Smarty?


Glad you're back.

Had to deal with a problem, near then Fareast. Feel like an alley cat draggin' his ass back home to lick his wounds and some pussy.
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