QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 3 2010, 12:18 AM)
Well, you just said it. You say I am not defending Arreola and the next sentence you say that I hold a different standard. I don't hold a different standard, I didn't even mention Arreola. This is what you said:
"I mean, if he started at 280 pounds, then getting down to 237 is actually an accomplishment for Toney. " - thehype.
All I said was that it's funny in a pathetic way that a pro athlete gets patted on he back from going from morbidly obese to fat. If you said the same thing about Arreola, I would have made the comment. You didn't say that about Arreola, so I only commented on Toney which in that little exchange, you assumed I held a different standard for Arreola. I just didn't comment on Arreola because you weren't talking about him. If you like, you can say the same statement, and I can provide the same answer. That was I can say it about both guys to make you happy, lol. They are both fat. I just commented on Toney because that was the only guy you talked about.
This entire thread is about James Toney AND Chris Arreola, so OF COURSE I'm going to be talking about both of them...not just one...but again, I never said you were "defending" Arreola. In fact, I wasn't even addressing you in my initial post where you took that quote from...I was addressing someone else as I was discussing BOTH Toney AND Arreola, but since you felt the need to comment on what I said about Toney, I simply pointed out the fact that, like you just said, you only had the comment for Toney being the "fat cunt", when Arreola is FAR worse when it comes to training habits. Maybe you meant that they're BOTH fat cunts...in which case, whatever...but that doesn't change anything that I said. I never said you were defending Arreola...nor am I defending Toney...fat is fat, no argument from me there...although, as you so astutely pointed out, Arreola is a lot taller than Toney, making his body fat less than Toney's...but hey, you're not defending Arreola, right, so who really cares?
But like I said, the thread is about Toney AND Arreola, therefore, my comments, analysis, breakdown, etc. are going to address both Toney AND Arreola. I'm not saying you were defending Arreola, but instead, I'm simply stating that if Toney going from 280 to 237 is a bad thing and an indication that he's not training, then what does that say about Arreola who goes from 261 to 257 after 12 weeks of training?
Holding a different standard doesn't mean that you're defending him. It simply means you're opinion of a guy is skewed because you hold that guy to a different standard. Case in point....
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 3 2010, 12:18 AM)
By the way, I am not favouring Arreola because his training habits are better, worse or because he is more or less fat than Toney. I am favouring Arreola because Toney is in his 40's, out of shape, not in his prime, won't have the power to hurt Arreola. If Peter can beat Toney, I don't see what's wrong about edging Arreola a few years after he lost to Peter. If anything, James has declined since then. Not writing him off, but I lean towards Arreola.
I mean, that's cool...you can have that opinion and you can lean towards Arreola all you want. But where's the talk about Arreola's training habits? Where's the talk about Arreola declining? He certainly hasn't looked better since he took the drubbing from Vitali. His training habits have gotten worse and worse, despite the fact that he continues to say he's in the best shape of his life. I mean, again, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your defending him and it's cool to not even mention any of that stuff, but don't jump down my throat and say that I'm accusing you of defending a guy simply because I ask those questions. I'm not arguing a point or saying you're defeding him...I'm simply asking why you would pick him when he's proven to be much worse than Toney when it comes to training habits and skills.
And for the record, I didn't bring Arreola into this...the topic starter did...and in your reply to my post, which wasn't even directed towards you, you said you would pick Arreola over Toney. So Your Honor, let the record state that it was indeed Fitz who first mentioned the name "Arreola" in his reply to a post, which wasn't even directed towards him, by thehype dated September 2, 2010 at 6:58PM ET.
Truth be told, you're getting way too caught up on who's fat or fatter, when all I was referring to was who's got the better training habits. THAT'S what my initial post was talking about. Not that one guy is a fatter SOB than the other, but that a person's weight on the scale isn't necessarily an indication of how seriously they trained if you have no idea what weight they started at. I'm pretty sure that's what I was getting at when I was referring to Arreola's weight compared to Toney's. How that got lost in translation is totally beyond me.
But whatever. It's all good. Misunderstanding I take it. We'll just leave it at they're both fat.
James Toney STILL whips Arreola and his brittle hands. Shit, Sam Peter whips his ass too. As Adamek easily proved, you don't even have to be a big puncher to whip his ass. LOL.