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Snoop
So I've done this "education" called the Landmark Forum, sometimes referred to as "The Forum", once known as Erhard Seminar Training, formally Mind Dynamics and has been accused of cult-like brainwashing by many experts. For whatever reason, I was extremely intrigued by the effects it had on my mind and signed up for the "Advanced Course". This last weekend was my "Advanced Course" and that shit literally FUCKED with my mind. I'm talking 14 hours a day for three days straight of just abusive psychological and identity breakdowns, then building people back up with an identity in Landmark. It was seriously one of the scariest experiences I've ever had in my life. I say this because it was frightful how easily people are manipulated and the power of group think. The first seminar I attended, I stood up against what the leader was saying and I literally felt that if she had told them to kill me, they would have. It's absolutely fucking insane shit like this exists.

Read more about it here:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/archive/...hp/t-30430.html

http://www.cameronfreeman.com/index.cfm?Fu...mp;SectionID=82 (My leader was Charlene Afremow, mentioned at the end.)

Has anyone heard or done these types of things before?
lloyd mayflower
I'm not fuckin tellin you now even if I have!!!


LUNATIC!!!!!!!!
Spyder
So the pontoon leader took cult training.....go figure.
Warlord
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 19 2010, 10:41 AM) *
So I've done this "education" called the Landmark Forum, sometimes referred to as "The Forum", once known as Erhard Seminar Training, formally Mind Dynamics and has been accused of cult-like brainwashing by many experts. For whatever reason, I was extremely intrigued by the effects it had on my mind and signed up for the "Advanced Course". This last weekend was my "Advanced Course" and that shit literally FUCKED with my mind. I'm talking 14 hours a day for three days straight of just abusive psychological and identity breakdowns, then building people back up with an identity in Landmark. It was seriously one of the scariest experiences I've ever had in my life. I say this because it was frightful how easily people are manipulated and the power of group think. The first seminar I attended, I stood up against what the leader was saying and I literally felt that if she had told them to kill me, they would have. It's absolutely fucking insane shit like this exists.

Read more about it here:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/archive/...hp/t-30430.html

http://www.cameronfreeman.com/index.cfm?Fu...mp;SectionID=82 (My leader was Charlene Afremow, mentioned at the end.)

Has anyone heard or done these types of things before?

Damn, son! Need me to hook you up with some chicks or something?
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 19 2010, 08:58 PM) *
So the pontoon leader took cult training.....go figure.


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JD
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 19 2010, 09:58 PM) *
So the pontoon leader took cult training.....go figure.


LOL...he should have taken it before creating that embarrassment to pontoons.
Fitz
QUOTE (JD @ Oct 20 2010, 11:03 PM) *
LOL...he should have taken it before creating that embarrassment to pontoons.


LOL.

You have pretty much single handily pulled the pontoon apart, and then come back for the boot while it is down, lol.

Good work.
JD
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 20 2010, 08:09 AM) *
LOL.

You have pretty much single handily pulled the pontoon apart, and then come back for the boot while it is down, lol.

Good work.


Thank you...though let us not underestimate the efforts of my esteemed colleague, Spyder.
Snoop
Haha. First of all, fuck.gif all ya'll.

Unless you guys have gone through this type of shit, you can only speak from a point of speculation. Granted, I'm at 26 year old kid still unsure of the world, and I'll be the first to admit there's still shit I haven't figured out in my life, but I was still able to see beyond this thing. It's not that the other people are weak, it's that the people are at a weak point in their life. Truth be told, if I didn't have boxing and meditation in my life, I might have ended up like one of these quacky fucks.

This thing is super creepy. They basically gave me the blueprint to how societies are created. They tried to create a society within society. I mean shit, it's the same way religion began, and if you really think about it, we're all living in some type of structure in our everyday lives.

I guess I can't get my name unattached to the Pontoon, but the funnier thing is that you guys are the ones that can't get over it. laugh.gif

And Fitz, the only reason JD had such an effect on it, it's because I respect the shit out of his opinion. Most of the other posters don't have that power, at least not for me.
lloyd mayflower


Na na na na na na na na LEADER!!!!



Sorry Snoop, couldnt resist poking a little more fun! Fair play to you for having an open mind. But maybe best stay away from crazy cults in future mate!
Snoop
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Oct 20 2010, 04:01 PM) *


Na na na na na na na na LEADER!!!!



Sorry Snoop, couldnt resist poking a little more fun! Fair play to you for having an open mind. But maybe best stay away from crazy cults in future mate!

LOL. That is EXACTLY what it was like man.

But truth be told, if you go through one of those things and come out unaffected, you'll be the most confident mofo on the block. laugh.gif
JD
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 20 2010, 10:55 AM) *
I guess I can't get my name unattached to the Pontoon, but the funnier thing is that you guys are the ones that can't get over it. laugh.gif

And Fitz, the only reason JD had such an effect on it, it's because I respect the shit out of his opinion. Most of the other posters don't have that power, at least not for me.


Thanks, Snoop...that is good of you. Likewise on your opinion...except when it comes to that defunct pontoon. drinks.gif
Spyder
QUOTE (JD @ Oct 20 2010, 12:50 PM) *
Thanks, Snoop...that is good of you. Likewise on your opinion...except when it comes to that defunct pontoon. drinks.gif

He's already weakening you with his cult mind tricks...don't fall for it JD!

I'm onto you Snoop...
Snoop
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 20 2010, 06:08 PM) *
He's already weakening you with his cult mind tricks...don't fall for it JD!

I'm onto you Snoop...

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They actually tried to use something similar on me. LMAO.

But all jokes aside, before the Pontoon, I didn't really know many of the posters. I feel that in both fighting with and fighting against posters through that whole thing, I came out knowing you mofos for the better. (No cult talk, seriously) laugh.gif

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Spyder
I'm glad you didn't fall victim to that cult shit, Snoop. It's pretty wild that you can make money from just talking bullshit about life.

I could get into something like that...

"Alright class, the name of this program is called...How not to live like a foreigner...

Step one: Be better than everybody else.
Step two: Don't take no shit from no one
Step three: Kick ass and take names
Step four: Get paid for being great at something
Step five: Accept the pussy donations for being a badass
Step six: Repeat steps one through five until you retire a rich American"

Who wants to sign up for my...eh hmm...seminar?
Warlord
I'm actually worshipped in some parts of the world. So I guess, in a way, I'm sort of a cult leader.

It all happened one day when I was piloting my one-man aircraft through some of the more remote parts of the region, when my aircraft went down. Miraculously, I was uninjured, and the native population was soon upon me.

To them, it was as if I had descended from the heavens on steel wings, like an eagle from the sky. My white skin and pleasing countenance so differed from their brutish appearance, that they immediately assumed me to be some sort of God.

Were I a stronger, or moral man, I might have dissuaded their predisposed convictions. But, alas, I am not. And did not. The knaves, the poor plodding brutes, served me as best they could; providing me with the finest (relatively speaking) delicacies, and regaled me with some of the local tradition and folklore. The cold evenings were spent reveling in the arms of their finest virgin beauties.

They have no name for me. I am quite beyond the ken of man. To them, I am simply known as "He."

The name of their land is "His land."

Their name, "His people."


Many moons have passed since I last stepped foot onto my land. And I often wonder what became of my people. For shame, a pity, that I should have chosen to return to the "real world." But the story of my people shall live on. With you.

Good day.
Snoop
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 20 2010, 09:46 PM) *
I'm glad you didn't fall victim to that cult shit, Snoop. It's pretty wild that you can make money from just talking bullshit about life.

That's basically it. I mean they had this dumbass 24 yr old girl believing she could make $1 million in one year and open an orphanage in Africa. They just try to propagate this idea that you're unstoppable, you can achieve anything, you can live your dreams, etc. It's kind of sad actually, seeing how desperate people will get to achieve what they created as "happiness".

But that shit definitely fucked with my head. Apparently the creators of "The Matrix" took this shit and I fucking believe it. I think they made a goddamn movie about it. Now I get paranoid that EVERYTHING is a fucking Matrix and keep contemplating on these endless existential debates of whether or not we can ever escape one.

If anything, I learned about people, how they can be exploited in vulnerable points of their life/personality, and most importantly, about how if you can recognize the system, you can manipulate it to your advantage. Yeah, I think that's the thing that scares me most.
Snoop
Chuck Palahniuk, the author of "Fight Club", also took this course. You can definitely see parallels of this program in the movie.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 20 2010, 10:55 AM) *
Unless you guys have gone through this type of shit, you can only speak from a point of speculation. Granted, I'm at 26 year old kid still unsure of the world, and I'll be the first to admit there's still shit I haven't figured out in my life, but I was still able to see beyond this thing. It's not that the other people are weak, it's that the people are at a weak point in their life. Truth be told, if I didn't have boxing and meditation in my life, I might have ended up like one of these quacky fucks.


Surely you mean boxing and medication Snoop? laugh.gif
Spyder
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 21 2010, 03:26 AM) *
most importantly, about how if you can recognize the system, you can manipulate it to your advantage.


That's the fucking gospel man!

People call it The Game...that name is probably THE perfect description for life. Everything is a game...a puzzle...all you have to do is figure out how to play it.
Snoop
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Oct 21 2010, 09:17 AM) *
Surely you mean boxing and medication Snoop? laugh.gif

Fuck man, I feel like I've been on a drug trip since Friday and still haven't come back yet. laugh.gif
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 21 2010, 12:26 AM) *
That's basically it. I mean they had this dumbass 24 yr old girl believing she could make $1 million in one year and open an orphanage in Africa. They just try to propagate this idea that you're unstoppable, you can achieve anything, you can live your dreams, etc. It's kind of sad actually, seeing how desperate people will get to achieve what they created as "happiness".

But that shit definitely fucked with my head. Apparently the creators of "The Matrix" took this shit and I fucking believe it. I think they made a goddamn movie about it. Now I get paranoid that EVERYTHING is a fucking Matrix and keep contemplating on these endless existential debates of whether or not we can ever escape one.

If anything, I learned about people, how they can be exploited in vulnerable points of their life/personality, and most importantly, about how if you can recognize the system, you can manipulate it to your advantage. Yeah, I think that's the thing that scares me most.

My sister got caught in the EST web deep in a previous millenium. I was considerably younger than you and in transition from the USMC to pseudo private enterprise. My sister was getting all fucked up, IMO, so I decided to infiltrate the organization in San Francisco. Shortly after that they were exposed by the media and entangled in a slew of legal action.

They morphed like an amoeba into multiple, nearly identical, entities.

My other sister got attracted into one of those amoeba years later. I think it was called Frog Prince or something like that. I decided to infiltrate this organization, coincidentally in San Francisco again. I started a bit of an insurrection by taking control of a significant percentage of the zombies.

They made the fatal error of threatening to hold my sister hostage.

These groups utilize methods very similar to the USMC boot camp process. Break down the subject by erasing the individual identity. Then rebuild the individual's consciousness as a cohesive piece of the whole.

Once you control your fear, you are ready to play (rather than just be a prop) in The Game.

QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 21 2010, 03:57 AM) *
That's the fucking gospel man!

People call it The Game...that name is probably THE perfect description for life. Everything is a game...a puzzle...all you have to do is figure out how to play it.

This focus is the ultimate Virtual Reality Video Game. The questions are whether there are other levels and (if so) what determines your next level or if you qualify for one, or if you are demoted to what some would call hell? It is obvious that this reality is hell for a significant % of humanity.

There is only one absolute; we are all going to experience death. The only question is what are you going to do between now and then?
Snoop
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Oct 21 2010, 04:15 PM) *
My sister got caught in the EST web deep in a previous millenium. I was considerably younger than you and in transition from the USMC to pseudo private enterprise. My sister was getting all fucked up, IMO, so I decided to infiltrate the organization in San Francisco. Shortly after that they were exposed by the media and entangled in a slew of legal action.

They morphed like an amoeba into multiple, nearly identical, entities.

My other sister got attracted into one of those amoeba years later. I think it was called Frog Prince or something like that. I decided to infiltrate this organization, coincidentally in San Francisco again. I started a bit of an insurrection by taking control of a significant percentage of the zombies.

They made the fatal error of threatening to hold my sister hostage.

Yup. Landmark is the spawn of EST, started in San Fran and those fuckers HATE me. I had a red fucking flag on my back the entire weekend. I talked one person into dropping midway, my best friend dropped out midway, and during the last night of "transformation" (otherwise known as the sales night), I successfully talked 3 people out of walking the fuck out of there. I've never been glared at harder in my life.

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But like I said man, it's a fucking ego trip if you can stand up against these zombie masters and tell them to stick their philosophy up their fucking ass. And it's crazy how people will start following you after you do something like that. Shit man, the world really is composed of two types of people: Sheep and Wolves.

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These groups utilize methods very similar to the USMC boot camp process. Break down the subject by erasing the individual identity. Then rebuild the individual's consciousness as a cohesive piece of the whole.

Once you control your fear, you are ready to play (rather than just be a prop) in The Game.

That's basically it in a nutshell. You either play or get played.
Snoop
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 21 2010, 11:57 AM) *
That's the fucking gospel man!

People call it The Game...that name is probably THE perfect description for life. Everything is a game...a puzzle...all you have to do is figure out how to play it.

Nah man, "The Game" is another one of these seminar brainwashing things but the premise is on how to pick up women. That shit works the same way too.

But I get what you're saying. Like Smarty said: player or a prop.
Snoop

Donnie Darko is my hero.

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Spyder
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 21 2010, 11:34 AM) *
Nah man, "The Game" is another one of these seminar brainwashing things but the premise is on how to pick up women. That shit works the same way too.

But I get what you're saying. Like Smarty said: player or a prop.

I'm familiar with that book. Though it's true with getting laid, I was talking more about day-to-day type of shit. Working with people that are hard to work with. Getting egomaniacs to not just listen to your ideas, but to actually use them. Not just at work, but in everyday conversations.

Dale Carnegie wrote an excellent book a hundred years ago called "How to win friends and influence people." It's a great read. It ties in stories from history to help explain points...shit that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln did. Anyway, the premise is basically, kill them with kindness. Phrase things in ways that make people think that your ideas are their own. Make people WANT to work for you. Have integrity, and fess up when you make a mistake. Don't belittle people when they fall short, make them feel empowered.

These are things that everybody knows, but few exercise. It's like knowing the combination to a puzzle, and being surprised that trying something different doesn't solve it.
Snoop
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 21 2010, 06:19 PM) *
I'm familiar with that book. Though it's true with getting laid, I was talking more about day-to-day type of shit. Working with people that are hard to work with. Getting egomaniacs to not just listen to your ideas, but to actually use them. Not just at work, but in everyday conversations.

Dale Carnegie wrote an excellent book a hundred years ago called "How to win friends and influence people." It's a great read. It ties in stories from history to help explain points...shit that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln did. Anyway, the premise is basically, kill them with kindness. Phrase things in ways that make people think that your ideas are their own. Make people WANT to work for you. Have integrity, and fess up when you make a mistake. Don't belittle people when they fall short, make them feel empowered.

These are things that everybody knows, but few exercise. It's like knowing the combination to a puzzle, and being surprised that trying something different doesn't solve it.

Oh yeah I've read Dale Carnegie's book a few years ago. Like you said, basic yet awesome principles. I've also read The Game, which has things that actually work talking to women, but they do try to enroll you in this whole seminar series thing that costs thousands, and the technique they use is similar to Landmark, just not as abusive. There's another book I've read, "Fire In the Belly" which is a pretty awesome book about where we get our definition of manhood and how to operate outside of what society tells you. "Art of Seduction", "48 Laws of Power" and "33 Laws of War" is a good series that uses historical references about how all the great leaders throughout the world ruled their societies and conversely, how they lost them. In all honesty, I'm just fascinated with social experiments and putting myself in the middle of em just to see first hand what kind of things it does to the mind.
Spyder
Shit like that's interesting to me too. I was a Psych major for a short time in college, but changed when I realized that I didn't want to deal with people that are fucked up for the rest of my life.

The Art of War is another old book that stays relevant.
Fitz
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 22 2010, 05:19 AM) *
I'm familiar with that book. Though it's true with getting laid, I was talking more about day-to-day type of shit. Working with people that are hard to work with. Getting egomaniacs to not just listen to your ideas, but to actually use them. Not just at work, but in everyday conversations.

Dale Carnegie wrote an excellent book a hundred years ago called "How to win friends and influence people." It's a great read. It ties in stories from history to help explain points...shit that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln did. Anyway, the premise is basically, kill them with kindness. Phrase things in ways that make people think that your ideas are their own. Make people WANT to work for you. Have integrity, and fess up when you make a mistake. Don't belittle people when they fall short, make them feel empowered.

These are things that everybody knows, but few exercise. It's like knowing the combination to a puzzle, and being surprised that trying something different doesn't solve it.


I began reading that book, though haven't read in a few weeks, but I started that one and probably should read again soon before I leave it too long, lol.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 21 2010, 09:54 PM) *
I began reading that book, though haven't read in a few weeks, but I started that one and probably should read again soon before I leave it too long, lol.

It's a good intro into that world, but if you REALLY wanna get into it, check out "The Blueprint" by Tyler Durden. It's a video you can probably torrent. That shit is intense.
Fitz
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 22 2010, 11:02 AM) *
It's a good intro into that world, but if you REALLY wanna get into it, check out "The Blueprint" by Tyler Durden. It's a video you can probably torrent. That shit is intense.


I will definitely check it out. Is "The Blueprint" a book as well as a video? Or just a video? Will download it, maybe tonight, lol.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 22 2010, 01:25 AM) *
I will definitely check it out. Is "The Blueprint" a book as well as a video? Or just a video? Will download it, maybe tonight, lol.

Nah it's just a video. Be warned, the thing is over 20 hrs long, but again, it depends on how much you want to get into it. There's a good book that addresses similar things called "Secrets of the Alpha Male" by Carlos Xuma. I think it can be downloaded as well.

It all depends on what you're looking for. If you just want lines and dialogues, there's books like "The Game", "Mystery Method" or "Attraction is not a choice", but if you want to go deeper as to why those things work, I would check out things like Blueprint or anything by RSD.

And yes, I realize that I look like a pathetic nut throughout this entire thread. laugh.gif
Fitz
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 22 2010, 01:12 PM) *
Nah it's just a video. Be warned, the thing is over 20 hrs long, but again, it depends on how much you want to get into it. There's a good book that addresses similar things called "Secrets of the Alpha Male" by Carlos Xuma. I think it can be downloaded as well.

It all depends on what you're looking for. If you just want lines and dialogues, there's books like "The Game", "Mystery Method" or "Attraction is not a choice", but if you want to go deeper as to why those things work, I would check out things like Blueprint or anything by RSD.

And yes, I realize that I look like a pathetic nut throughout this entire thread. laugh.gif


Is that the one by Neil Strauss or something? Read that a few years ago, definitely interesting, and I thought it was a good read.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 22 2010, 04:02 AM) *
Is that the one by Neil Strauss or something? Read that a few years ago, definitely interesting, and I thought it was a good read.

Yeah that's the one. He later came out with one called "Master the Game in 30 days" which composed of daily challenges you had to carried out within a month, or whatever pace you chose. Now THAT was fucking fun and challenging. That later led to this PUA group which sells DVDs and other seminars for hundreds of dollars. I never really looked into them but I wouldn't doubt that they use similar tactics of Landmark. The guy who made Blueprint (he used to live in the same house as Neil Strauss) DEFINITELY took Landmark as he uses almost the exact same terminology, but his shit is less sales like and just more about helping people.
Fitz
By the way, I scrolled up. Is blueprint about life situations? Or what 'The Game' was about (a pickup artist)?

I was responding to Spyder originally and was commenting on the Dale Carnegie book (though I think you thought I was talking about "The Game"). If so, doesn't matter, cause it will probably still be interesting to watch. I am reading the Carnegie book currently, but haven't read it in a while. I read "The Game" years ago. Though haven't read the 30 day one you mentioned. Is it worth picking up?
I think I thought blueprint was a different type of video, as I was talking about the Dale Carnegie book, but I will download it anyways.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 22 2010, 05:43 AM) *
By the way, I scrolled up. Is blueprint about life situations? Or what 'The Game' was about (a pickup artist)?

I was responding to Spyder originally and was commenting on the Dale Carnegie book (though I think you thought I was talking about "The Game"). If so, doesn't matter, cause it will probably still be interesting to watch. I am reading the Carnegie book currently, but haven't read it in a while. I read "The Game" years ago. Though haven't read the 30 day one you mentioned. Is it worth picking up?
I think I thought blueprint was a different type of video, as I was talking about the Dale Carnegie book, but I will download it anyways.

Ah, I see. Well "The Game in 30 Days" is kind of like Dale Carnegie in action. Actually both Landmark and The Game take principles from Dale Carnegie. It's all the same shit really. Look people in the eye, use their name, compliment something they're wearing, etc. What I noticed after I started picking up women, getting numbers n crap, is that ALL my social interactions started to improve, from getting free shit to business relationships. The 30 day challenge is pretty fun, as long as your up for potentially humiliating yourself once in a while.

The Blueprint is like deep identity topics. For instance, when you start doing the routines or whatever, you'll find these things called "sticking points", which are situations or routines that you can't execute and you can't really figure out why. Usually it's tied to some trauma that happened in your past or some unconscious messaging that's been communicated through societal norms. The Blueprint is based on a concept of self-actualization, pretty much making the mind aware of the self and learning how to operate from the self rather than the ego (which is based on external forces). I mean I hope you're not just fucking with me to expose how much of a geek I am, but in all truth that shit is a complete mind fuck if you're really into those kind of things.
Spyder
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 22 2010, 03:34 AM) *
Ah, I see. Well "The Game in 30 Days" is kind of like Dale Carnegie in action. Actually both Landmark and The Game take principles from Dale Carnegie. It's all the same shit really. Look people in the eye, use their name, compliment something they're wearing, etc. What I noticed after I started picking up women, getting numbers n crap, is that ALL my social interactions started to improve, from getting free shit to business relationships. The 30 day challenge is pretty fun, as long as your up for potentially humiliating yourself once in a while.

The Blueprint is like deep identity topics. For instance, when you start doing the routines or whatever, you'll find these things called "sticking points", which are situations or routines that you can't execute and you can't really figure out why. Usually it's tied to some trauma that happened in your past or some unconscious messaging that's been communicated through societal norms. The Blueprint is based on a concept of self-actualization, pretty much making the mind aware of the self and learning how to operate from the self rather than the ego (which is based on external forces). I mean I hope you're not just fucking with me to expose how much of a geek I am, but in all truth that shit is a complete mind fuck if you're really into those kind of things.

That sounds like some Karen Horney shit. She came up with the "real" self vs the "ideal" self philosophy. You might find her interesting.

I subscribe to some of her things...mainly the one I mentioned...but I'm more of a Behaviorist with Humanistic tendancies. B.F. Skinner, Carl Rogers, Abraham Maslow...those guys will open your mind to why people do what they do. Fuck Freud and his every boy wants to secretly kill his father and fuck his mother philosophy. Life experiences is where it's at.
Snoop
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 22 2010, 10:36 AM) *
The Game was the only book I have read of that kind, but I enjoyed the book. I have basically liked a lot of things of the mind/behaviour of people. I am a very observant person, and like to watch how people act. If I'm out eating somewhere or something, I may glance at tables or something, watch people and try guess what type of person they are, or the type of relationship people have, lol. People enjoy watching the discovery and watching animals in the wild and how they behave. You can have that when ever you like, with humans, lol. Just listening to people is part of it, you can sometimes tell more about someone by other things.
Nah, I wasn't fucking with you, I have just been interested in anything involving mind and behaviour. I read a book on body language, I think I mentioned some where recently, that I was reading a book on optimistic and pessimistic people.
The other book that I read was a book on losing weight. I didn't need to lose weight at the time, and it was designed for really overweight people. But I think it is good for anyone, regardless of size. If people are interested in this type of thing. It was called "The Gabriel Method", and it's principle is that diets don't work because when you diet, you are depriving yourself of food and your body treats it as a famine. You train yourself to want to eat the right foods, because you want to. A diet doesn't do that, as it feels like you deprive yourself and body thinks it's in starvation. I don't know if it works or not, as I haven't put it in practice, though I eventually will take some parts out of it. But definitely at least interesting.
Something like this will probably explain it better.

http://www.everydiet.org/diet/gabriel-method

After I started doing this whole "Game" thing, I started noticing ALOT about human behavior. I mean you can pretty much gauge a person's level of confidence simply from the way they stand. But there are these things called IOI's (Indicators of Interest), which are "indicators" of when a girl has been hooked by the conversation (the hook point). Then there's this concept of "kino escalation" where you pinpoint the exact moment of when to start using physical touch to "escalate" the interaction. I mean all of this is tied to academic studies of how human touch affects communication. I think there was one study where they asked someone a question and it was statistically significant that more people answered "yes" when the tester touched their arm while asking the question. I know I sound like a super creepy guy now. laugh.gif

There's another book, "Never Be Lied to Again" which is a great resource to read people's intentions by looking in their eyes. I mean for me the goal was to be a better overall communicator and develop a sense of bullshit in people's behavior, and hey, if you can get laid once in a while in the process, why the fuck not right? laugh.gif

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That sounds like some Karen Horney shit. She came up with the "real" self vs the "ideal" self philosophy. You might find her interesting.

I subscribe to some of her things...mainly the one I mentioned...but I'm more of a Behaviorist with Humanistic tendancies. B.F. Skinner, Carl Rogers, Abraham Maslow...those guys will open your mind to why people do what they do. Fuck Freud and his every boy wants to secretly kill his father and fuck his mother philosophy. Life experiences is where it's at.

Thanks man, I'll check her out, along with the other guys you mentioned. It sounds like you're pretty knowledgeable in this type of thing. All the shit that I'm reading/watching/doing is based off these scholars you mentioned.
Spyder
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 22 2010, 12:05 PM) *
After I started doing this whole "Game" thing, I started noticing ALOT about human behavior. I mean you can pretty much gauge a person's level of confidence simply from the way they stand. But there are these things called IOI's (Indicators of Interest), which are "indicators" of when a girl has been hooked by the conversation (the hook point). Then there's this concept of "kino escalation" where you pinpoint the exact moment of when to start using physical touch to "escalate" the interaction. I mean all of this is tied to academic studies of how human touch affects communication. I think there was one study where they asked someone a question and it was statistically significant that more people answered "yes" when the tester touched their arm while asking the question. I know I sound like a super creepy guy now. laugh.gif

There's another book, "Never Be Lied to Again" which is a great resource to read people's intentions by looking in their eyes. I mean for me the goal was to be a better overall communicator and develop a sense of bullshit in people's behavior, and hey, if you can get laid once in a while in the process, why the fuck not right? laugh.gif

Thanks man, I'll check her out, along with the other guys you mentioned. It sounds like you're pretty knowledgeable in this type of thing. All the shit that I'm reading/watching/doing is based off these scholars you mentioned.

Like I said earlier...at one point I was a psych major, but later changed it to my outside concentration when I realized that making TV was a lot more fun than listening to people bitch.

I still really enjoy the subject, but I didn't want to make it my career.
Snoop
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 22 2010, 06:45 PM) *
Like I said earlier...at one point I was a psych major, but later changed it to my outside concentration when I realized that making TV was a lot more fun than listening to people bitch.

I still really enjoy the subject, but I didn't want to make it my career.

What is it that you do in TV bro?
Spyder
QUOTE (Snoop @ Oct 22 2010, 02:11 PM) *
What is it that you do in TV bro?

I'm a director....mostly Live, but I'll dick around with post-production stuff when I have time.

QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 22 2010, 07:32 PM) *
You are in Jeresy Boy's, aren't you? laugh.gif

Though seriously, interesting to hear, and sounds like you know what you are talking about. Still relatively a new reader, and interested in this type of stuff as well. Any specific books you recommend from the names mentioned that I should look into?

I'd start with B.F. Skinner. He's pretty much the grand-daddy of Behaviorist Theory. He wrote a lot about everything, but for something along the lines of what we're talking about...check out his book Verbal Behavior. Noam Chomsky HATED the book, but later eased off his criticism when people started experimenting with the theories...and found them to be accurate. lol

I love it when smart people look like idiots.
Snoop
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 23 2010, 02:01 AM) *
I'd start with B.F. Skinner. He's pretty much the grand-daddy of Behaviorist Theory. He wrote a lot about everything, but for something along the lines of what we're talking about...check out his book Verbal Behavior. Noam Chomsky HATED the book, but later eased off his criticism when people started experimenting with the theories...and found them to be accurate. lol

I love it when smart people look like idiots.

This post made my day. laugh.gif
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