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AussieLad
So who are you picking?

Despite picking Carwin to decapitate Lesnar, and eating humble pie... i think Velasquez will beat him. I think it could be a bit of a struggle in the first 2 rounds, but i feel Cains pace and wrestling will see him survive long enough to exhaust the behemoths gas tank.

Lesnar beat Carwin because shane gassed badly after battering Brock like a rag doll. Thats not going to happen vs Velasquez. Velasquez will beat him on his feet, and if he gets taken down, survive long enough to make it to the later rounds where he will crank up the pace.
BigG
Cain's way more skilled and is a better fighter but Brock has 60 pounds on him...I think Cain will TKO Brock in round 3 or 4. After a rough first round...
lloyd mayflower
After my disappontment at not seeing Carwin KO this fool, i'm once again rooting hard for Cain. I think he will do it. I think it might be a bit of a boring fight tho. Maybe not, dont really know a great deal about Cain. Only seen bits and pieces of him.
Hittman25
i seen it at the shane and brock fight wen cain was in the audience....he looked scared of both shane and brock.......brock by tko
pcraw
Give me Cain. He looked the way he always looks when they put a camera on him. Funny how Brock isn't catching any heat fro saying he's going to eat a burrito and drink a Corona after he whoop Cain's ass. Just saying...
TheFonz
QUOTE (pcraw @ Oct 20 2010, 02:25 PM) *
Give me Cain. He looked the way he always looks when they put a camera on him. Funny how Brock isn't catching any heat fro saying he's going to eat a burrito and drink a Corona after he whoop Cain's ass. Just saying...

Brock is a prick, I can't wait until somebody puts it on him. I don't think Cain is the man to do it though.
BrutalBodyShots
I don't care much for Lesnar. I actually don't care for any abnormally big heavyweights, MMA or Boxing that get by on being a physical freak. I'll root for the guy 40-60 pounds lighter any day since he's got a huge hurdle to overcome.

Warlord
QUOTE (pcraw @ Oct 20 2010, 02:25 PM) *
Give me Cain. He looked the way he always looks when they put a camera on him. Funny how Brock isn't catching any heat fro saying he's going to eat a burrito and drink a Corona after he whoop Cain's ass. Just saying...

He's catching shit for it over on Sherdog...

Anyway, I hate Lesnar and hope he gets another round of Diverticulitis. (Just kidding. Kind of.)

Like Aussielad, I was picking Carwin to decapitate Lesnar, and he almost did, until his pint-sized gas tank ran bone dry.

After that fight I said Brock would wipe his ass with Cain, because Cain is just too small. I'm standing by that pick, but I am PRAYING Cain can somehow survive.

The fighters to beat Brock are fighters with massive power or really technical stand-up. Cain has not really shown either, as far as I'm concerned. His strengths before were his ability to ground-and-pound his opponents over the course of a fight.

That shit ain't happening with that freak Brock Lesnar.

Brock will wear Cain out with his size and then finish him late.

And then we'll all be putting our faith in Junior Dos Santos, another undersized heavyweight, who at least has good enough stand-up to make things interesting.
AussieLad
Kurt Angle supposedly dominated lesnar in an unofficial wrestling match, with several high profile wrestlers watching. Was reading that in an interview with Kurt himself, in a fitness magazine. Kurt is significantly smaller than lesnar, so i dont believe size and brute strength can overcome skill in every wrestling match. Velasquez is a very good wrestler, and bigger and stronger than Couture who also didnt do too badly vs Brock when it came to grappling. Carwin was able to stuff Brocks take downs as well, while he still had some energy early in the first round, despite being a lower level than either Velasquez or Couture.

I honestly believe Velasquez will be able to dictate where this fight takes place, and that he will keep it on the feet. And if he can keep it on the feet, lesnars rudimentary strikng will be his downfall
Warlord
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Oct 21 2010, 04:29 AM) *
Kurt Angle supposedly dominated lesnar in an unofficial wrestling match, with several high profile wrestlers watching. Was reading that in an interview with Kurt himself, in a fitness magazine. Kurt is significantly smaller than lesnar, so i dont believe size and brute strength can overcome skill in every wrestling match. Velasquez is a very good wrestler, and bigger and stronger than Couture who also didnt do too badly vs Brock when it came to grappling. Carwin was able to stuff Brocks take downs as well, while he still had some energy early in the first round, despite being a lower level than either Velasquez or Couture.

I honestly believe Velasquez will be able to dictate where this fight takes place, and that he will keep it on the feet. And if he can keep it on the feet, lesnars rudimentary strikng will be his downfall

I hope you're right. Brock's just got that horseshoe shoved so far up his ass right now that I'm starting to fear that it may be awhile before he gets what's coming to him.

I mean, what other fighter comes into a fight after suffering from a serious infliction in his shitter, gets laid out and proceeds to curl up into the fetal position, LITERALLY, and somehow comes out on top with the 'W' at the end. I'm just baffled sometimes.
kidbazooka1
Im with you guys on this one I wanna see Brock get his ass whooped big time but not sure if Cain is the man to do it. If Cain does pull it off i'll be one happy ass muthaf*cker..
EAlbian
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Oct 21 2010, 04:29 AM) *
Kurt Angle supposedly dominated lesnar in an unofficial wrestling match, with several high profile wrestlers watching. Was reading that in an interview with Kurt himself, in a fitness magazine. Kurt is significantly smaller than lesnar, so i dont believe size and brute strength can overcome skill in every wrestling match. Velasquez is a very good wrestler, and bigger and stronger than Couture who also didnt do too badly vs Brock when it came to grappling. Carwin was able to stuff Brocks take downs as well, while he still had some energy early in the first round, despite being a lower level than either Velasquez or Couture.

I honestly believe Velasquez will be able to dictate where this fight takes place, and that he will keep it on the feet. And if he can keep it on the feet, lesnars rudimentary strikng will be his downfall


You obviously have never actually wrestled then. I don't believe a word that comes out of Kurt Angles mouth. Lesnar is a more accomplished wrestler than valesquez and it will show in this fight. I am not all that impressed by anything Cain has done and would have liked to see him test himself against someone like Mir before getting a title shot. Brock will control this fight on the ground and pound out Cain. To beat someone like Brock you need to be atleast 6'2 and 235 with power and speed to catch him on his feet. Dos Santos has a shot but I wouldn't bet on it. Lesnar is a hard puzzle to crack, Overeem doesn't have the takedown defense to stop him and I think fedor is past his best days and again too small. I think lesnar holds this belt for a couple years but you never know who could come along
AussieLad
Thats fine if you dont believe whatever Angle said in the article. I dont have it front of me to quote from, as i was being a cheap ass and reading a mag in the newsagents on my lunch break several months ago. And i can't say for certain that it was true, as i wasnt there. But what i can comment on is what i have seen from Brock in the ring. Brocks wrestling has only been all powerful against guys not known for their wrestling (Mir, Herring). When he has faced decent wrestlers (couture and carwin), the sheen has come off his one true skill a little bit. He's not an unstoppable force. Carwin stuffed his shot forcing him to exchange strikes (which went pretty badly for lesnar black eye.gif ), and couture managed to wrestle him up against the fence with some success. If size was the only faactor in wrestling, it wouldnt have mattered how skilled randy's greco game was, he would have been thrown around like a rag doll... which didnt happen

Of course being a huge motherfucker is an advantage in wrestling, but i still dont believe it will win you every single match. Velasquez doesnt need to worry about brocks shit-house striking

Looking forward to the fight either way.
EAlbian
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Oct 21 2010, 04:45 PM) *
Thats fine if you dont believe whatever Angle said in the article. I dont have it front of me to quote from, as i was being a cheap ass and reading a mag in the newsagents on my lunch break several months ago. And i can't say for certain that it was true, as i wasnt there. But what i can comment on is what i have seen from Brock in the ring. Brocks wrestling has only been all powerful against guys not known for their wrestling (Mir, Herring). When he has faced decent wrestlers (couture and carwin), the sheen has come off his one true skill a little bit. He's not an unstoppable force. Carwin stuffed his shot forcing him to exchange strikes (which went pretty badly for lesnar black eye.gif ), and couture managed to wrestle him up against the fence with some success. If size was the only faactor in wrestling, it wouldnt have mattered how skilled randy's greco game was, he would have been thrown around like a rag doll... which didnt happen

Of course being a huge motherfucker is an advantage in wrestling, but i still dont believe it will win you every single match. Velasquez doesnt need to worry about brocks shit-house striking

Looking forward to the fight either way.



Shane Carwin was a DII national champion and a pretty huge guy, the difference in the Carwin fight was that when brock got Shane down he went nowhere and was completely controlled, same with all of Brocks opponents to date with the exception of the 1st Mir fight. What did Couture actually do in that fight? Held him against the cage and landed nothing? Randy Couture is an olympic level wrestler, his credentials far surpass that of Brocks. Lesnar stopped competitively wrestling when he 23 years old where as Randy continued to wrestle far past college and started in MMA in the 90's. To me its like wow Randy, an olympic level wrestler, couldnt takedown brock. Brock had also only had 4 fights at that time and where did Randy go when Brock got on top of him? Chuck Liddel was a nobody in college wrestling and managed to keep couture on his feet as well so does that mean that his wrestling is equivalent to that of Couture's? There is also a huge difference in collegiate wrestling and Greco Roman wrestling as well as there is no cage on a wrestling mat. I'm not saying Cain has no chance its just that i see Brock starting to come into his own and i think he will be too much for Velasquez. Should be a good fight and im looking forward to it
Run and Gun Game Calls
kurt Angle is a whole differant lvl wrestler than Lesner, carwin, couture, or cain. Not saying angle would be a dominant mma fighter, but his wrestling would dominate brock lesner even with the size difference. And yes I have wrestled, in high school and college. Wrestling is alot more about leverage, technique, and intelligence than it is size and strength.

That being said, Randy Couture has never been known for his striking, but against lesner his gameplan wasnt to attempt to out wrestle lesner. In fact he came into the fight light because he wanted a speed advantage over lesner. He did stuff most of lesners takedowns and kept the fight on its feet for a while but he got caught. The whole gameplan for him winning was to tire lesner out then take him down. You have to keep that in mind, couture wasnt trying to outwrestle lesner at the time he got caught, he was just trying to tire out the bigger man.

Now as for cain, if he can sprawl with enough speed to stop the takedown, lesners goose is cooked. but Lesner has spped, agility, technique and insane strength. So it will be an interesting matchup.
Warlord
QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ Oct 22 2010, 05:15 PM) *
kurt Angle is a whole differant lvl wrestler than Lesner, carwin, couture, or cain. Not saying angle would be a dominant mma fighter, but his wrestling would dominate brock lesner even with the size difference. And yes I have wrestled, in high school and college. Wrestling is alot more about leverage, technique, and intelligence than it is size and strength.

That being said, Randy Couture has never been known for his striking, but against lesner his gameplan wasnt to attempt to out wrestle lesner. In fact he came into the fight light because he wanted a speed advantage over lesner. He did stuff most of lesners takedowns and kept the fight on its feet for a while but he got caught. The whole gameplan for him winning was to tire lesner out then take him down. You have to keep that in mind, couture wasnt trying to outwrestle lesner at the time he got caught, he was just trying to tire out the bigger man.

Now as for cain, if he can sprawl with enough speed to stop the takedown, lesners goose is cooked. but Lesner has spped, agility, technique and insane strength. So it will be an interesting matchup.

You need to post around here more often, Run and Gun.
PR316
Would like Cain to win to stop the Lesnar freak show. Lol...

I've seen a couple of fights and he has skills, speed, and conditioning.

Lesnar gets by on his size and strength. But he's not a more talented fighter than Velasquez
AussieLad
QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ Oct 22 2010, 11:15 PM) *
kurt Angle is a whole differant lvl wrestler than Lesner, carwin, couture, or cain. Not saying angle would be a dominant mma fighter, but his wrestling would dominate brock lesner even with the size difference. And yes I have wrestled, in high school and college. Wrestling is alot more about leverage, technique, and intelligence than it is size and strength.

That being said, Randy Couture has never been known for his striking, but against lesner his gameplan wasnt to attempt to out wrestle lesner. In fact he came into the fight light because he wanted a speed advantage over lesner. He did stuff most of lesners takedowns and kept the fight on its feet for a while but he got caught. The whole gameplan for him winning was to tire lesner out then take him down. You have to keep that in mind, couture wasnt trying to outwrestle lesner at the time he got caught, he was just trying to tire out the bigger man.

Now as for cain, if he can sprawl with enough speed to stop the takedown, lesners goose is cooked. but Lesner has spped, agility, technique and insane strength. So it will be an interesting matchup.


I'm not saying that Couture outwrestled Lesnar. Clearly his game was to stand and strike, but it was his wrestling that allowed that to happen, even if it ended up backfiring it was still the right gameplan. Hence a smaller, more skilled man can "outwrestle" lesnar in order to control where the fight takes place. It is entirely plausible than a wrestler of Angle pedigree could beat lesnar in a pure wrestling match. He's a beast and a very solid wrestler, but ffs, that doesnt automatically means he wins
The CEO
Lesnar is the type of guy who learns from his mistakes...he knows what his advantages are and will strictly stick with them from now on....I see him focusing on takin' Velasquez down and maulin' the shit outta him...could be a very vicious and graphic beating.

Could be an upset with Kampmann tonight though...he's good enough to beat Shields if he's on form...
Snoop
Any streams to the fight?
The CEO
I got you, Snoop...check your PMs in a minute...
AussieLad
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Oct 21 2010, 03:30 PM) *
You obviously have never actually wrestled then. I don't believe a word that comes out of Kurt Angles mouth. Lesnar is a more accomplished wrestler than valesquez and it will show in this fight. I am not all that impressed by anything Cain has done and would have liked to see him test himself against someone like Mir before getting a title shot. Brock will control this fight on the ground and pound out Cain. To beat someone like Brock you need to be atleast 6'2 and 235 with power and speed to catch him on his feet. Dos Santos has a shot but I wouldn't bet on it. Lesnar is a hard puzzle to crack, Overeem doesn't have the takedown defense to stop him and I think fedor is past his best days and again too small. I think lesnar holds this belt for a couple years but you never know who could come along


Smaller man beat Lesnar using wrestling to keep it on the feet... who woulda thunk it... drinks.gif
AussieLad
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Oct 21 2010, 10:45 PM) *
Thats fine if you dont believe whatever Angle said in the article. I dont have it front of me to quote from, as i was being a cheap ass and reading a mag in the newsagents on my lunch break several months ago. And i can't say for certain that it was true, as i wasnt there. But what i can comment on is what i have seen from Brock in the ring. Brocks wrestling has only been all powerful against guys not known for their wrestling (Mir, Herring). When he has faced decent wrestlers (couture and carwin), the sheen has come off his one true skill a little bit. He's not an unstoppable force. Carwin stuffed his shot forcing him to exchange strikes (which went pretty badly for lesnar black eye.gif ), and couture managed to wrestle him up against the fence with some success. If size was the only faactor in wrestling, it wouldnt have mattered how skilled randy's greco game was, he would have been thrown around like a rag doll... which didnt happen

Of course being a huge motherfucker is an advantage in wrestling, but i still dont believe it will win you every single match. Velasquez doesnt need to worry about brocks shit-house striking

Looking forward to the fight either way.



Oh wait... that was me that thunk it...

Better luck next time EAlbian
EAlbian
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Oct 25 2010, 05:31 AM) *
Oh wait... that was me that thunk it...

Better luck next time EAlbian



Can't Argue with the result, i thought more of Lesnar. Looks like he had a terrible game plan by rushing Cain right off the bat and throwing a flying knee. You were right though and i can't argue that. I wouldnt really say he out wrestled him i would say he outfought him. I also wrestled in from age 10-college on the highest national level and would take Lesnar over Angle any day of the week in a straight wrestling match whether it be Freestyle or Collegiate, but thats an argument for another time.
AussieLad
Just having a joke mate... hee hee heeeee

No worries friends.gif
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