It's sparring, he wouldn't learn anything if he made sparring into a competition.

I'll say this though, episode 1 was boring. Half of that shit was about Margarito and his illegal wraps. It's funny how HBO was trying to help boost Marg's image then Pac and Roach owned him. I did like the insight into the situation though, and based off of the 24/7 and all the other info I'm surprised Marg can keep a straight face while saying he didn't know about the illegal wraps.

I remember that in the Pacquiao-Cotto 24/7 they showed that Pacquiao had looked like crap in sparring against Castillo, but then went on to walk all over Cotto.

I totally agree with you about how HBO is trying to make Marg look good. Not only in training but with the hand wrap issue also...

This may be the reason HBO only highlighted the less competitive parts of the sparring

It also makes sense that they would do this because what good is 24/7 if it just looks like Pac is a monster...

It was hysterical how Pac and Freddie put his ass out there also....

I still think Marg is coming to win and has a very good chance

I still think Marg is coming to win and has a very good chance

That's the entire question here, and I'm very afraid that he isn't. To be even more cynical, if Marg looks bad enough, Cotto would probably want a crack at him at 154.

So not only is it in Arum's interest to have pac win here for the pac-floyd show, Arum can still make tons of money with Marg if Marg looks bad - AND he gives Cotto a big paycheck and redemption.

That's the entire question here, and I'm very afraid that he isn't. To be even more cynical, if Marg looks bad enough, Cotto would probably want a crack at him at 154.

So not only is it in Arum's interest to have pac win here for the pac-floyd show, Arum can still make tons of money with Marg if Marg looks bad - AND he gives Cotto a big paycheck and redemption.

i have a hard time seeing cotto beating anyone with a pulse and a punch at this point... just my opinion... lol...

I'll say this though, episode 1 was boring. Half of that shit was about Margarito and his illegal wraps. It's funny how HBO was trying to help boost Marg's image then Pac and Roach owned him. I did like the insight into the situation though, and based off of the 24/7 and all the other info I'm surprised Marg can keep a straight face while saying he didn't know about the illegal wraps.

Oh and they mentioned Pacquiao having an injured left heel in the episode. Prepare for that to be the first thing that comes out of Manny's mouth if they lose.

Didn't Roach say that he believed Margarito didn't know? Didn't he say something about Margarito crying to him and that he "looked into the man's soul" or something? Shit, out of all the characters in the mix, I think Roach is one of the biggest snakes.

I thought the episode was well put together, not the greatest but i've definitely seen worse 24/7 episodes before.

From all accounts and after watching the episode, I truly do believe that the hunger and passion for the sport that once defined Manny Pacquiao is definitely waning. I would imagine that politics will take alot out of anyone as you must consistently be on top of every issue and immediately work towards finding a solution to that problem. Not to mention the decisions you make determine the overall well being of the people. Not saying I expect a Pacquiao loss, but Margarito definitely has alot of advantages on his side and if Pac's motivation isn't there and the weight gain will for once affect him I think Margarito has a very good chance of pulling an upset. IMO, I don't see why we wouldn't expect the best of Margarito at this point in his career. If I was him i'd be obsessed with thoughts of what a win over Manny Pacquiao would do to his future, his career, his past and historically as well. He'll be remembered as the guy who was able to beat Manny Pacquiao in the prime of Pacquiao's career.

I do think this fight will be fairly competitive and I expect it to be so, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Pacquiao decided to hang the gloves up after this fight or the next.

When Pacquiao said, "I understand the people because I know what it feels like to be nothing," shit, I gotta admit, I liked the guy for a minute.

But this fight should NOT be for a title. It just bothers me that he keeps on racking up title after title, against opponents at catchweights and/or opponents that shouldn't be in the ring (if any commission won't sanction a fighter, that fighter should never be allowed to fight for a title) and creating this facade of being the greatest fighter ever. Most casual fans don't ever pay attention to the particulars of HOW this assessment came to be, but rather just obeying whatever commentators drop and only listening to what they want to hear. But I guess that's just how people are about anything.


Didn't Roach say that he believed Margarito didn't know? Didn't he say something about Margarito crying to him and that he "looked into the man's soul" or something? Shit, out of all the characters in the mix, I think Roach is one of the biggest snakes.

Be careful in what you read into the 24/7 stuff. It is a very good smokescreen, no better demonstrated than in the Pac/Cotto fight. Going from those episodes Pac looked real distracted in camp. However I saw little evidence of this come fight night.

I thought the episode was well put together, not the greatest but i've definitely seen worse 24/7 episodes before.

From all accounts and after watching the episode, I truly do believe that the hunger and passion for the sport that once defined Manny Pacquiao is definitely waning. I would imagine that politics will take alot out of anyone as you must consistently be on top of every issue and immediately work towards finding a solution to that problem. Not to mention the decisions you make determine the overall well being of the people. Not saying I expect a Pacquiao loss, but Margarito definitely has alot of advantages on his side and if Pac's motivation isn't there and the weight gain will for once affect him I think Margarito has a very good chance of pulling an upset. IMO, I don't see why we wouldn't expect the best of Margarito at this point in his career. If I was him i'd be obsessed with thoughts of what a win over Manny Pacquiao would do to his future, his career, his past and historically as well. He'll be remembered as the guy who was able to beat Manny Pacquiao in the prime of Pacquiao's career.

I do think this fight will be fairly competitive and I expect it to be so, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Pacquiao decided to hang the gloves up after this fight or the next.

I think people don't realize is that the fighters are using this to try to psyche out their opponents, HBO uses it to sell fights, and 24/7 is really just entertainment in general. Like Marg's camp saying the motherfucker is 8 pounds out right now, that's a lie. They just want Pac to think he's not going to be cutting it close.

Nonono it's blatantly obvious that HBO puts on these 24/7 specials to create some publicity and curiosity in an attempt to sell PPVs/seats. But with that being said, I do believe Pacquiao is more distracted than usual. WIth past camps, Pacquiao has been distracted, but Roach has always been adamant in saying that Pacquiao will come out with teh victory he's a workhouse etc., but in this case there seems to be a little more tentativeness and nerves from Team Pacquiao. To be honest, the last time I heard about Pacquiao being THIS distracted/unmotivated during training was in his rematch with Barrera and his bout with Jorge Solis and in both he looked far from his best. If that Pacquiao shows up fightnight, it will be ALOT closer than most people expect.





LOL that's a romanticized view of politics. I don't know how it's over there but here in the United states your aide does all your reading and you vote on things based on party lines or paying constituents. You pretty much sit around and have people tell you everything, ultimately you just make an executive decision. Pac has other obligations now but this cat isn't staying up all night reading bills.

I think Pac will win because he's in LA now and will be focused on it 100%. That and I just don't see Marg winning. I think if Arum thought Marg was really a threat he'd put the corpse of Chavez Jr. in the ring with him at 154. Or maybe Chavez Jr is the next back up if Mayweather doesn't fight? Then he can move up to middleweight too.

I think people don't realize is that the fighters are using this to try to psyche out their opponents, HBO uses it to sell fights, and 24/7 is really just entertainment in general. Like Marg's camp saying the motherfucker is 8 pounds out right now, that's a lie. They just want Pac to think he's not going to be cutting it close.





LOL that's a romanticized view of politics. I don't know how it's over there but here in the United states your aide does all your reading and you vote on things based on party lines or paying constituents. You pretty much sit around and have people tell you everything, ultimately you just make an executive decision. Pac has other obligations now but this cat isn't staying up all night reading bills.

I think Pac will win because he's in LA now and will be focused on it 100%. That and I just don't see Marg winning. I think if Arum thought Marg was really a threat he'd put the corpse of Chavez Jr. in the ring with him at 154. Or maybe Chavez Jr is the next back up if Mayweather doesn't fight? Then he can move up to middleweight too.

Reply #1: Nonono it's blatantly obvious that HBO puts on these 24/7 specials to create some publicity and curiosity in an attempt to sell PPVs/seats. But with that being said, I do believe Pacquiao is more distracted than usual. WIth past camps, Pacquiao has been distracted, but Roach has always been adamant in saying that Pacquiao will come out with teh victory he's a workhouse etc., but in this case there seems to be a little more tentativeness and nerves from Team Pacquiao. To be honest, the last time I heard about Pacquiao being THIS distracted/unmotivated during training was in his rematch with Barrera and his bout with Jorge Solis and in both he looked far from his best. If that Pacquiao shows up fightnight, it will be ALOT closer than most people expect.


Reply #2: Fair enough, most politics only sit in office for 4-6 months out of the year, but during those months it is extensive work working in the legislature and passing bills etc. (atleast in Canada that's how it is). Politics may not be as mentally demanding and strenuous as I made it seem in my original post, but it is definitely nowhere near as laid back as you make it seem. For a guy like Pacquiao, who has no prior political experience nor does he have the highest level of education, i mean, you can't deny it has gotta be somehwat demanding in the sense that he's got to learn everything from teh ground up alot faster than anyone else. It would take alot out of him i'm sure and the events are something he must constantly be on top of. Like Gacal said in the 24/7, he had to interrupt Pacs training several times during the camp to discuss politics and happenings within the Congress.

Politics at this point in time isn't what you think it's. Sure, Pac has to learn things and sit in his office but he's not reading bills and putting in all the work.

I don't care about this fight at all..Pac-man will whoop his ass even if Marg did use his plaster wraps..

I thought you liked him at some point. But even better, I hated the cunt since the first Marquez fight, but the true hatred didn't set in until the 2nd Morales fight, and it just kept getting worse and worse since the second Morales fight as he keeps beating fighters I like such as Morales again, Marquez again (bullshit), DLH, Hatton and Cotto. Fuck him, he is annoying.

I thought you liked him at some point. But even better, I hated the cunt since the first Marquez fight, but the true hatred didn't set in until the 2nd Morales fight, and it just kept getting worse and worse since the second Morales fight as he keeps beating fighters I like such as Morales again, Marquez again (bullshit), DLH, Hatton and Cotto. Fuck him, he is annoying.

lol same here (with Marquez, Morales, Cotto)..Same here with the 2nd Morales fight...lol..I was really depressed after that fight. I really grew up watching Morales and he's the guy that got me to boxing with Tyson and Jones... I wasn't really rooting for anyone in particular in the DLH, Hatton fights. Just like this Margarito fight. I wasn't ever a fan of Margarito. I guess I'm not just very vocal about my hate for Manny but I definitely want to see him take a one-sided beatdown....but you can't deny Pac's greatness...even if he did have some drained fighters in front of him in some those fights (Morales III, DLH). I'm not gonna get blinded by hate. He's one of the 15 or 20 greatest fighters of all time...but Money May is gonna whip his ass

Pacquiao is the SHIT his nuts are the proverbial pool which we as filipinos spend our days swimming in, especially when fight night draws near.

If Pac is clean then he's one of the coolest fighters of all time. It's hard to argue against a guy who's out for the ko from the opening bell and who's fought EVERYONE and who never has a bad word to say about anyone. On the other hand, if he's dirty then he's a piece of shit for what he did to Cotto, DLH and any other fighter who's career he affected.

Pacquiao is the SHIT his nuts are the proverbial pool which we as filipinos spend our days swimming in, especially when fight night draws near.

I think Roach was pissed off not because Pacquiao was busy passing bills. He was pissed off by any Filipino congressman's "extra curricular activities".

Seriously, did nobody else notice that post?

I was thinking the same exact thing.

I came across it but I cum across a Filipino girl too so I'm used to this shit by now.

LOL. What?

My girlfriend is Filipino so I deal with the Pac maniacs on a regular basis. It's like taking all the people that latched onto Pac's nuts after Hatton and putting them in one room when I go watch fights there. They do always have a big party and gamble though so I go watch the fight there anyway lol.

filipino girls are horny as fuck!

I work with a Filipino dude and another that has a Filipino step mum, he always laugh and says that all they do is chase money. The other one with the step mum says that all family in the Philipines do is ask for money from him and everyone is his best friend and family when he hasn't even met most

Yo I'm planning on going on a trip soon can you guys spare some money? I also need to bring my parents over from the philippines so if you guys can help get them citizenship that'll be awesome

LOL. The guy that talked to me about was probably the Dolemite of the Asian world. This dude is like 5'3", had his hair combed back, and always is wearing some aviators and smoking an unfiltered cigarette. He said "I've niece in the Philippines, she wants husband.. You know nice guy looking for Philippine vacation?". Every time I see him he's always asking me "bring a nice friend over" lol.

hahah yeah man, i'm a filipino born and raised in Canada but I definitely know what you're talking about i see it all the time lol. Families constantly asking for money, i've never had to deal with the whole marriage thing in my family but I know that shit goes down lol. You can't really blame em though, they're annoying as fuck but ppl in the Philippines don't really have much so they'll resort to a lot of things just to receive an opportunity. Very resilient group of people i must say

hahah yeah man, i'm a filipino born and raised in Canada but I definitely know what you're talking about i see it all the time lol. Families constantly asking for money, i've never had to deal with the whole marriage thing in my family but I know that shit goes down lol. You can't really blame em though, they're annoying as fuck but ppl in the Philippines don't really have much so they'll resort to a lot of things just to receive an opportunity. Very resilient group of people i must say