QUOTE (mexi-cutioner @ Nov 9 2010, 12:53 AM)
When you're great and the entire world knows your name, you're going to think you're the shit no matter how you twist it. I'm not justifying that it's ok for fighters to make excuses, i'm just saying that's all part of the game. You become world champ and tendency has it that you'll think you're ontop of the world. I feel like you're out to antagonize Pac, and if it's true that you don't like fighters who let their fame and accolades get to their head and make excuses, then you must not like ALOT of fighters. Tyson, Ali, Jones Jr, Hagler, Morales, Barrera, Lewis to name a few have all made excuses and/or talked shit at different points throughout their career and i don't feel you're reasoning justifies how you can't have respect for them considering all they've accomplished and then some.
Making excuses is just one of the many reasons I don't like Pac. Anytime a fighter makes an excuse, even if it's a valid one i.e. Marquez last Saturday, it disappoints me. When a fighter makes an asinine excuse i.e. glove type or socks, I flat out lose respect, ala Pac. Manny is on top of the world, but my whole argument is that his accolades and accomplishments are a farce, masked in a smoke screen of cherry picking opponents and catchweights. Seven titles in seven weight classes? Now he's going for an 8th? In a weight class he has done ZERO in and against a cheater? Get the fuck outta here.
His actions as of late? taking the short cut route? The man has become bigger in his country than Ali was in the United States, how can you say that Pac took the shortcut route to fame when he began in poverty, fought his way up the ranks only to beat the likes of Morales, Barrera and go to hell and back vs. Marquez and still be talked down on? the man has fought some of the best featherweights of his era and now continues to move up in weight and he is still taking the shortcut route???? How can you still say he's taking the shortcut route and he continues to move up in weight and defy the odds and fight bigger, stronger opposition. I think people tend to fabricate how detrimental the catchweight reallly is. For the DLH fight, the catchweight was necessary and DLH was very willing to do it. The Cotto fight was questionablee, and with this fight vs margarito being fought at 151, you can hardly complain since pac probably won't even be coming in on fightnight at 150 pounds and Margarito has spent most of his career fighting at 147.
First of all, how are you measuring that Pacquiao has become bigger than Ali? Even beyond that, I'll tell you why that's a ridiculous claim to make:
1) The population of the Philippines is a third of the United States and the racial make up is not anywhere near as complex as the US.
2) Ali shook up THE WORLD with not only his ring resume, but for his stand against Vietnam. Pacquiao can't even say who he wants to fight next without consulting Bob Arum. These two don't even belong in the same sentence. Comparing Pacquiao to Ali is not only a disgrace to boxing, but to events that changed the world.
Second, I would have been more impressed had Pac stayed in the featherweight/super featherweight classes and cleaned out the divisions, which he was doing when he was taking out all the Mexican legends. But instead of hanging around, he moves up and snatches a belt from a C-level fighter in David Diaz, moves up and fights a weight-drained DLH (but in his defense, DLH fucking asked for it), then goes on to put stipulation after stipulation to weaken fighters and snatch belts in the meantime. I'd rather have him face legitimate threats in fighters that are coming in their full optimal form, rather than making these demands to have fighters weaken themselves. If you don't want to face an opponent in their best form, don't face them. Plain and fucking simple.
In fact, Martinez-Williams II is being fought at a catchweight, does that make that fight a farce? not at all.
First of all, Martinez at some point was simultaneously the Super welterweight AND the Middleweight champion of the world. It's very clear that he's more than capable to move between the two weight classes whereas Cotto said goodbye to the Light Welterweight division well before he fought Pacquiao. That's the difference.
People need to appreciate that we have a fighter like Pac in our era who can get the casual fan interested. How can we appreciate the sport when all we do is continuously find reasons to critique and scrutinize the few big names we have left in teh sport.
This is actually a point I partially agree with. With MMA slowly kidnapping fans of boxing away from its PPVs, I'm glad there's still a household name to keep the public interested, and therefore keep the financial funding for boxing alive. But I also wonder if it's better or worse to have these overnight experts come out of the woodwork anytime Pacquiao fights. I swear I hear people hooping and hollering about how great it is that Pacquiao is the only fighter to have 7 championships in 7 weight classes, but when you ask them to name 3 of those fights in which he won those belts, they suddenly become silent. My gripe is against ignorant bandwagon boxing fans that want to hop on the Pac train anytime it pulls into the station and wave their noses at the diehard fanatics when Pacquiao wins. Where were these motherfuckers when Pacquiao made his statement win against Barerra? How many of these motherfuckers even know who Barerra is? Combine that way Pacquiao has come to acquire such admiration (mentioned above) makes me hate the fucking dude.
But hey, this is all just my opinion.