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mexi-cutioner
A little worried about Caballero. He's having a hard time dealing with someone that stands around his size and is as resilient at Litzau. I don't know about you guys, but I feel those overhand punches Litzau is throwing that are landing on the back of Caballero's head might be part of the reason why Caballero seems extremely labored and kept walking away during the 6th round. His body language inbetween rounds doesn't look very good either.

I must say this is a good, competitive fight at this point. Some unnecessary rough stuff going on inside but good nonetheless
mexi-cutioner
Kinda surprised Caballero lost that one. But it was a close fight, so i won't take anything away from Litzau he's a good kid he deserved it
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
That was an awesome fight...Way to go Jason Litzau. Already turning out to be a great night of fights.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN @ Nov 27 2010, 09:39 PM) *
That was an awesome fight...Way to go Jason Litzau. Already turning out to be a great night of fights.


you called this one kyle..... hey did you get that stream earlier?.....
Snoop
Berto KOs Hernandez in the first. Anyone surprised?
mexi-cutioner
QUOTE (Snoop @ Nov 27 2010, 07:52 PM) *
Berto KOs Hernandez in the first. Anyone surprised?

Considering he went the distance in 3 of his last 4, a little. But then again I didn't give Hernandez much of a chance to begin with and expected Berto to win by stoppage at somepoint anyway.
Box in Hand
Katsidis is open for the left.
Snoop
Marquez landing serious shots to the body.
Box in Hand
War Marquez making that investment to the body early.
Snoop
WOW!
Snoop
Holy fuck Marquez is a beast!
Box in Hand
No surprise. Marquez always hits the floor. Stay paitent and bang that body Marquez.
Lil-lightsout
Just Awesome!!!
Box in Hand
Last round to Marquez but he open for a right over the jab. Bang that body Juan.
Box in Hand
Win or Lose Marquez is a Fucking BEAST. Breaking dirty Kats down.
Snoop
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Nov 28 2010, 05:31 AM) *
Win or Lose Marquez is a Fucking BEAST. Breaking dirty Kats down.

+ 1

Marquez landing 100 more punches through 6.
Box in Hand
Marquez needs to stay off the damn ropes. Is it his legs or what?
Snoop
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Nov 28 2010, 05:35 AM) *
Marquez needs to stay off the damn ropes. Is it his legs or what?

That's what most on here have been saying.
D-MARV
WAR FUCKING MARQUEZ!!!!!!!!
Box in Hand
That investment to the body paid off. Marquez is a War Demon.
D-MARV
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Nov 27 2010, 11:46 PM) *
That investment to the body paid off. Marquez is a War Demon.

Marquez is GOD!
Box in Hand
Boxing at its highest is better than a porno and way better than the UFC. I got my fix Amen.
TheFonz
Ask Pac, he don't wan't it with Marquez. NOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Snoop
Beautiful fight for Marquez. Waited for the kill and executed the timing perfectly like a wolf.
mexi-cutioner
I didn't like that stoppage. Maybe i'm just biased cus I like Katsidis and am saddened by his personal situation, but I felt the fight was compettiive and Katsidis was not backing down nor showing any signs of being seriously hurt or wanting out
Snoop
QUOTE (mexi-cutioner @ Nov 28 2010, 05:52 AM) *
I didn't like that stoppage. Maybe i'm just biased cus I like Katsidis and am saddened by his personal situation, but I felt the fight was compettiive and Katsidis was not backing down nor showing any signs of being seriously hurt or wanting out

Katsidis threw one punch in response to twenty. He wobbled plenty of times to show he was hurt. Probably could have kept going, but it was a foregone conclusion. Saved Katsidis from unnecessary punishment IMO.
D-MARV
Dude... Katsidis would have died... Good stoppage.
Box in Hand
QUOTE (D-MARV @ Nov 27 2010, 10:54 PM) *
Dude... Katsidis would have died... Good stoppage.



He lives to fight another day and no complaints from Katsidis. He gave it his all, good stoppage.
Snoop
Sad story about Katsidis' brother. Seems like a good guy and gave it his all, just got beat by the better man tonight. No shame in that.
Mean Mister Mustard
Katsidis gave it his all, and I doubt many other lightweights will be able to handle his pace.

JMM is still a tremendous offensive machine, but his defense and legs are not what they once were and Pacquiao would capitalize on that. JMM should stay at 135 and just rake in as many defenses as he can.
Hops
I disagree. Marquez should try to get a fight with Pac and then retire. He deserves the payday.
BrutalBodyShots
Very good fight. My thoughts:

1 - Marquez was landing WICKED left hooks to the body, and several right hooks in the first few rounds. I counted at LEAST 7 or 8 in the first 2 rounds before the oblivious HBO commentating team decided to even talk about them... at which point Steward said something like "Marquez is landing very good left hooks to the body... he's already landed 2 or 3 in this fight..." which was a real shitty call as he'd landed a ton more than that already. Kudos to Katsidis for taking the body shots very well.

2 - Katsidis caught Marquez with a monster left hook. When Marquez went down I initially thought he was more hurt than he was. His resiliency, especially at his age is amazing. When he went down I envisioned Katsidis pouncing on him when the fight resumed and the ref possibly stepping in due to Marquez not throwing back. I was amazed to see Marquez rally back and completely own the end of the round. I was tempted to score the round 10-9 due to how well Marquez came back, but gave Katsidis the extra point since he really did hurt/drop Marquez.

3 - Katsidis throws a very stupid looking right hand. It's almost like he's trying to connect with his pinky knuckle or something. I found it quite distracting.

4 - Marquez at 37 may have lost a step or two, especially in his legs... but considering that he's not going to have any other opponent come at him with 100-120 punches per round I think he'll be alright going forward. His defense is very solid and while he does get landed on most of the time it isn't flush. His ability to land precision combinations in between the work of his opponent is impressive. What did you guys think of that combination he landed in I believe the 4th round that they showed on replay in between rounds? I think I counted 9 punches that all landed flush in combination. Good stuff.

5 - The stoppage was warranted, but wasn't as definitive as I would have liked to have seen. Yes Katsidis took a lot of shots and was likely on the verge of going down... I would have liked to have seen him take a knee or have Bayless step in with Marquez landing a hard, "stop the fight" type shot. Marquez had landed his best shots probably 10 seconds before the fight was stopped (at a time it would have been better stopped) which took a bit of luster out of the real stoppage.

6 - Pacquiao-Marquez III would be a very entertaining scrap. Like the first 2 fights, the 3rd goes the distance as well. These two guys will always fight near even fights. Similar to the Barrera/Morales trilogy. I'd like to see Marquez squeeze out a W against Pacquiao, but I'm not sure it happens. Marquez has been dropped both times they've met as he was tonight, so I think it's a fairly safe to predict he gets dropped again. Regardless of Marquez' resiliency and ability to come back, it kills him on the score cards. Being that these two will almost always fight a distance fight, that fact alone makes you have to go with Pacquiao when you think about scoring it... especially if there are multiple knockdowns. If Marquez adopts the left hook to the body strategy/finish upstairs against Pacquiao like he did against Katsidis tonight it could make things very interesting though... with Marquez possibly registering a knockdown of his own. Too many question marks though... like at what weight the fight would be fought at. 140 would be perfect, but no way does Pacquiao go back there even though that's about 2 trips to the toilet for him.



Snoop
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Nov 28 2010, 06:34 AM) *
Very good fight. My thoughts:

1 - Marquez was landing WICKED left hooks to the body, and several right hooks in the first few rounds. I counted at LEAST 7 or 8 in the first 2 rounds before the oblivious HBO commentating team decided to even talk about them... at which point Steward said something like "Marquez is landing very good left hooks to the body... he's already landed 2 or 3 in this fight..." which was a real shitty call as he'd landed a ton more than that already. Kudos to Katsidis for taking the body shots very well.

2 - Katsidis caught Marquez with a monster left hook. When Marquez went down I initially thought he was more hurt than he was. His resiliency, especially at his age is amazing. When he went down I envisioned Katsidis pouncing on him when the fight resumed and the ref possibly stepping in due to Marquez not throwing back. I was amazed to see Marquez rally back and completely own the end of the round. I was tempted to score the round 10-9 due to how well Marquez came back, but gave Katsidis the extra point since he really did hurt/drop Marquez.

3 - Katsidis throws a very stupid looking right hand. It's almost like he's trying to connect with his pinky knuckle or something. I found it quite distracting.

4 - Marquez at 37 may have lost a step or two, especially in his legs... but considering that he's not going to have any other opponent come at him with 100-120 punches per round I think he'll be alright going forward. His defense is very solid and while he does get landed on most of the time it isn't flush. His ability to land precision combinations in between the work of his opponent is impressive. What did you guys think of that combination he landed in I believe the 4th round that they showed on replay in between rounds? I think I counted 9 punches that all landed flush in combination. Good stuff.

5 - The stoppage was warranted, but wasn't as definitive as I would have liked to have seen. Yes Katsidis took a lot of shots and was likely on the verge of going down... I would have liked to have seen him take a knee or have Bayless step in with Marquez landing a hard, "stop the fight" type shot. Marquez had landed his best shots probably 10 seconds before the fight was stopped (at a time it would have been better stopped) which took a bit of luster out of the real stoppage.

6 - Pacquiao-Marquez III would be a very entertaining scrap. Like the first 2 fights, the 3rd goes the distance as well. These two guys will always fight near even fights. Similar to the Barrera/Morales trilogy. I'd like to see Marquez squeeze out a W against Pacquiao, but I'm not sure it happens. Marquez has been dropped both times they've met as he was tonight, so I think it's a fairly safe to predict he gets dropped again. Regardless of Marquez' resiliency and ability to come back, it kills him on the score cards. Being that these two will almost always fight a distance fight, that fact alone makes you have to go with Pacquiao when you think about scoring it... especially if there are multiple knockdowns. If Marquez adopts the left hook to the body strategy/finish upstairs against Pacquiao like he did against Katsidis tonight it could make things very interesting though... with Marquez possibly registering a knockdown of his own. Too many question marks though... like at what weight the fight would be fought at. 140 would be perfect, but no way does Pacquiao go back there even though that's about 2 trips to the toilet for him.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.

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Fitz
What a fight, and credit to both fighters. I didn't like the stoppage at all. It looked like Katsidis was on his way to getting stopped, but knowing the type of fighter Katsidis is and in the context of the fight, they stopped it to early. Just let it go for a bit, and wait for a moment. The stoppage looked like it was coming soon, but the timing of the call was garbage. Such an anti climax.
But much credit to both fighters. Marquez just continues to prove how great he is, and he is 37 years. His legs are heavier, and he gets hit a bit more, but he still has his skills and his punching is still some of the sharpest I have seen. Marquez for me is #3 in the world after Mayweather, Pacquiao. This was a tough fight for him, and he showed experience once again. He has one of the calmest minds in the ring. He goes down so often, and gets back up and goes back to exactly what he was doing before the knock down, almost as if it never happened. Fighters nearly always change their style from a knock down, but you just can't break him mentally, or shake him off his game plan.
Katsidis also put on a respectable performance. Lacks in the skills department, but always comes to fight and tonight was no different. He got hurt in the 9th when he got stopped, but I was surprised he was never hurt earlier, he took some clean shots and just kept coming. Katsidis fell short again, he is not a great fighter, but you just got to respect him.
I thought Katsidis would win this, but not disappointed in his performance. It's a credit to Marquez on just how great he is, even at this age.
BrutalBodyShots
Good post Fitz... I think we share the same views on the fight especially with respect to the stoppage.

The CEO
Fuckin' Juan Manuel MARQUEZ!!

He's too great for words...just say his name, and if you know Boxing, that says it all.


Great fight...both guys were willing to die in there...the stoppage was a bit abrupt iMo...but I saw Katsidis was good with it so I guess it's fine...

It is literally unbelievable how Marquez responds after he gets dropped, and he's NEVER been dropped that hard before...


Berto-Hernandez: I thought Hernandez had a decent chance, and boy was I wrong...I LOVE Larry Merchant...he hates the SHIT outta Berto...lol


Caballero-Litzau: What a sweet fuckin' fight that was...I pretty much made this my main fight while Froch-Abraham was entering the later rounds...a while back, I picked Litzau to beat Rocky Juarez because I had seen a positive change in him...he came through that night...so I thought he might be able to straight shoot his way to a decision in this one, and it happened....I never liked the guy, but his improvements and accomplishment tonight can't be denied...good for him.
BigG
What a fight from both Marquez and Katsidis....I thought Bayless should've let it go on a little longer but Katsidis looked done at that point. I think this win is as good as Pac's win over Margarito. Margarito is shot and him and Katsidis are basically the same type of fighter but UNLIKE the Margarito fight...no bullshit catchweight involved.
alaganza
This was a very good fight. I thought the stoppage was a bit weird. Katsidis looked as if he was hurt pretty bad but I would have liked to seen him at least hit the canvas before the stoppage. But whatever. I didn't have a huge problem with the stoppage. All in all the fight was extremely entertaining.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
What a great night of fights on HBO tonight. Marquez is just an amazing fighter. He is so accurate with his shots, and his recovery power is incredible. I thought Katsidis beats most lightweights with that performance tonight. He fought well, and even got Marquez on the deck. He hit Marquez with some good shots, but Marquez just doesn't stop. He can throw five punch combinations and land them all with precision. I truly feel bad for Katsidis and his position. It's a shame when stuff like that happens, but I wish him the best.

I'd love to see Marquez-Pac 3, but I just don't see it happening. Top Rank and Golden Boy just don't seem to be on the best of terms. If Bob Arum had to take the Pacquiao money out of house it wouldn't be with Golden Boy. He'd rather recycle one of his own figthers again than put him in with Marquez.

However, the next Pacquiao opponent was on the card. Andre Berto looked sensational against Hernandez. I know Hernandez isn't an elite fighter, but Berto looked fast and powerful. He did the type of things that raised eyebrows and gets people to talk about boxing. That was a highlight reel KO, and people like to see that. I believe Bob Arum will take a look at that, and realize that it's a solid fight to make. Or he could throw him in with Chavez Jr. lol, we'll see.

mexi-cutioner
Glad i'm not the only one who didn't agree with how the stoppage was made
Hops
Nobody should be "high" on Katsidis. The first time he showed promise, he suddenly lost it. At least in my eyes. When he fought some bum (I don't know his name), and went to war with him. He didn't improve one bit from that performance.
The Original MrFactor
Loved marquez tonight. It was a great fight. this was the fight I was expecting to see last week. I think Pac destroys him. I think Pac is better(possibly due to PEDS) than he was in their first 2 fights. I'm also hearing that the fight would be at 147, which is too big for Marquez. I'd love to see Marquez fight some of the guys at 140 before hanging them up.
BrutalBodyShots
The more I think about it, I don't think the weight of this fight really matters much... 135, 140, 144, 147... it's all trivial. Regardless of which of those weights the fight is officially contested at, both guys will enter the ring weighing 145-148 pounds and be within 3 pounds of one another. They are essentially the same size. Marquez just chooses to work to make 135, Pacquiao chooses to weigh in right around the weight he fights at. If the fight is fought at a lower weight, it forces Pacquiao to dehydrate basically the same amount as Marquez. If they fight at a higher weight, neither guy needs to dehydrate. Regardless of which way you look at it, you have two guys struggling (or not struggling) to make weight, so you have a level playing field when they enter the ring.

Marquez looking "bad at welter" against Mayweather had everything to do with Mayweather and nothing to do with the weight. Marquez entered the ring at 148 pounds. 3 pounds more than tonight. In fact, the argument can be made that Marquez should have been more lively with a difference of only 6 pounds between the 142 weigh in and 148 fight night for the Mayweather fight compared to the 10 from 135 to 145 for tonight. I personally don't think these 3 pounds of in ring fighting weight mean anything compared to the man, Mayweather, that was in front of Marquez that night.


Hops
In his fight against Marquez, Floyd refused to be weighed. He probably weighed 155 lbs.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (Hops @ Nov 28 2010, 01:46 AM) *
In his fight against Marquez, Floyd refused to be weighed. He probably weighed 155 lbs.


All the more reason to make Marquez look "bad" at the weight they fought at.
kidbazooka1
Wow Marquez looked more like a 27 yr old than 37.

Marquez looked sharp and quick with the exception of the KD in the 3rd he was very impressive agianst Kastiidis who had good momentum coming in. Marquez is a text book as they come if you wnna learn how to box watch him throw those beautiful combos.

Caballero f*Cked up big time he beat him self in that fight but atleast now people see what JuanMa would have done to him.

The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (Hops @ Nov 28 2010, 01:18 AM) *
Nobody should be "high" on Katsidis. The first time he showed promise, he suddenly lost it. At least in my eyes. When he fought some bum (I don't know his name), and went to war with him. He didn't improve one bit from that performance.



Is Katsidis the second coming of mickey Ward?
Hops
Went to BoxRec, think it was a guy named Amonsot. Both were bloodied during that fight. And who the hell was Amonsot? After that fight, I was tuning in to Katsidis' fights watching him improve. Never happened.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (kidbazooka1 @ Nov 28 2010, 02:28 AM) *
Wow Marquez looked more like a 27 yr old than 37.

Marquez looked sharp and quick with the exception of the KD in the 3rd he was very impressive agianst Kastiidis who had good momentum coming in. Marquez is a text book as they come if you wnna learn how to box watch him throw those beautiful combos.

Caballero f*Cked up big time he beat him self in that fight but atleast now people see what JuanMa would have done to him.



I hope we dont get Lopez against Litzau...
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