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BoxingStill#1

In all likeliness this thread will be closed just as fast as it was opened....(for obvious reasons hype)....lol


But with all of this bullshit about Arum hand picking what he calls "big fights" because it is has the biggest draw is sickening me


He has gone on record to say he doesn't care about the blogger's ect. ect.....He mind as well have said "fuck the boxing community"


I bet if he could he'd arrange a fight between Oscar and Tyson........





Hops
I'm more sick of Floyd's (a fighter's) mentality. laugh.gif
Warlord
I'm about sick of boxing, period. Too many pussies like David Gaye and Floyd Gayweather, and not enough fighters willing to step up and fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

You cats can shit on MMA all you want. Those guys are over there fighting the best for a hamburger and a medium Coke.

At its best, nothing touches a big-time boxing event. And by big-time, I mean two legitimately great fighters fighting each other in their respective primes. Does that even happen anymore?


*And before any queers come in getting all butt-hurt because I took a shot at boxing, I will remind you that I watched Haye/Harrison. Twice. I watched it live, and watched the replay that followed immediately afterwards. That should speak for itself in regards to my passion for boxing.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (BoxingStill#1 @ Dec 1 2010, 07:35 PM) *
He has gone on record to say he doesn't care about the blogger's ect. ect.....He mind as well have said "fuck the boxing community"


Well not that I disagree but think about it from a business perspective.

Bloggers or whatever buy how many of Pac's PPV fights?
Casual fans who want to see Pac flog the piss out of a fighter are responsable for how many buys?

It is the law of what the public will pay for. As a boxing fan the promoters could give a fuck what I buy & don't buy they care about what the majority not only want to see but are prepared to buy. We represent 3/5 of fuck all when it comes to a million PPV buys.

I deal with big multinational accounts & I can assure you that the purchasing manager of XYZ site is important to me & they are vocal if they are not happy but I care a great deal more about ensuring I capture all their business & the simple fact is that if I get the deal signed at a national/global level then their purchasing managers have no choice to comply even if they don't like it. Kind of like hardcore fans, if you don't like it fuck you because Bob knows you will tune in anyway & what matters is how many buys you generate not how good the matchup/card is.


QUOTE (Warlord @ Dec 1 2010, 08:29 PM) *
You cats can shit on MMA all you want. Those guys are over there fighting the best for a hamburger and a medium Coke.


Yeah but they get a large fries if they get fight of the night.

QUOTE (Warlord @ Dec 1 2010, 08:29 PM) *
At its best, nothing touches a big-time boxing event. And by big-time, I mean two legitimately great fighters fighting each other in their respective primes. Does that even happen anymore?


100% agreed there. Nothing like the goosebumps before a genuinely exciting superfight. I think the last one I watched was Morales vs Pac 1.


QUOTE (Warlord @ Dec 1 2010, 08:29 PM) *
*And before any queers come in getting all butt-hurt because I took a shot at boxing, I will remind you that I watched Haye/Harrison. Twice. I watched it live, and watched the replay that followed immediately afterwards. That should speak for itself in regards to my passion for boxing.


I think you may be suspect yourself War if you watched those two fuckheads "fight" twice mate.




D-MARV
QUOTE (Warlord @ Dec 1 2010, 04:29 AM) *
I will remind you that I watched Haye/Harrison. Twice. I watched it live, and watched the replay that followed immediately afterwards. That should speak for itself in regards to my passion for boxing.

I'm sorry to hear that.


I have always hated Bob Arum and this is exactly why. But hey, that is the price we pay as hardcore fans. Boxing gave us the month of November so let's be thankful for that.
caneman
QUOTE (D-MARV @ Dec 1 2010, 08:07 AM) *
I'm sorry to hear that.


I have always hated Bob Arum and this is exactly why. But hey, that is the price we pay as hardcore fans. Boxing gave us the month of November so let's be thankful for that.



You have to agree with this months boxing and Arum...Arum sucks but has some of the best fighters! I see why so many say fuk boxing and love MMA cause they do just fight, fuk the dumb shit!
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (Warlord @ Dec 1 2010, 02:29 AM) *
I'm about sick of boxing, period. Too many pussies like David Gaye and Floyd Gayweather, and not enough fighters willing to step up and fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

You cats can shit on MMA all you want. Those guys are over there fighting the best for a hamburger and a medium Coke.

At its best, nothing touches a big-time boxing event. And by big-time, I mean two legitimately great fighters fighting each other in their respective primes. Does that even happen anymore?


*And before any queers come in getting all butt-hurt because I took a shot at boxing, I will remind you that I watched Haye/Harrison. Twice. I watched it live, and watched the replay that followed immediately afterwards. That should speak for itself in regards to my passion for boxing.

*And, before any wart infested little dickheads get their blow holes all choked up when I defend PBF, go download some porn.

I am not sick of boxing, period. There are some cunts (like Haye and Harrison) out there but PBF is not one of them. I think there are plenty of boxers willing to step into the ring and fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

I have grown to appreciate MMA, first of all for the quality of the athletes and secondly for the competition it has provided for the boxing industry. However, there are plenty of boxers all over the globe fighting anyone, anywhere, anytime for the equivalent of "a hamburger and a medium Coke."

Good fights happen all the time. Great fights have never been plentiful.

The problem with boxing has little or nothing to do with the boxers. Pacman is a great boxing talent and seems to be an equally great person. Team QuackMeow is the problem. PBF is at least as great a boxing talent as Pac, but he appears to be a frustrating and flawed individual. The real difference between Pac and PBF is the level of control they have over their boxing careers.

Arum (the organ grinding circus master) controls Pac's boxing future. PBF controls his own.

Though Floyd is accountable for his career decisions, the business environment he navigates must be taken into consideration. I am also frustrated by his lack of activity and failure to get into the ring with certain individuals, but I respect the fact that he does not dance to the tunes of The Organ Grinding Circus Master.

Bad boxing decisions are (in the vast majority of the cases) not made by the boxers. They are made by the minions behind the scenes and those they hire.

There were a handul of very good fights and another of good fights in November alone. There will be nearly as many of both in December.

Boxing is alive thanks to the chemotherapy of competition. The cancer still runs deep, but it has been forced to be more parasitic.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Dec 1 2010, 11:49 AM) *
*And, before any wart infested little dickheads get their blow holes all choked up when I defend PBF, go download some porn.

I am not sick of boxing, period. Their are some cunts (like Haye and Harrison) out there but PBF is not one of them. I think there are plenty of boxers willing to step into the ring and fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

I have grown to appreciate MMA, first of all for the quality of the athletes and secondly for the competition it has provided for the boxing industry. However, there are plenty of boxers all over the globe fighting anyone, anywhere, anytime for the equivalent of "a hamburger and a medium Coke."

Good fights happen all the time. Great fights have never been plentiful.

The problem with boxing has little or nothing to do with the boxers. Pacman is a great boxing talent and seems to be an equally great person. Team QuackMeow is the problem. PBF is at least as great a boxing talent as Pac, but he appears to be a frustrating and flawed individual. The real difference between Pac and PBF is the level of control they have over their boxing careers.

Arum (the organ grinding circus master) controls Pac's boxing future. PBF controls his own.

Though Floyd is accountable for his career decisions, the business environment he navigates must be taken into consideration. I am also frustrated by his lack of activity and failure to get into the ring with certain individuals, but I respect the fact that he does not dance to the tunes of The Organ Grinding Circus Master.

Bad boxing decisions are (in the vast majority of the cases) not made by the boxers. They are made by the minions behind the scenes and those they hire.

There were a handul of very good fights and another of good fights in November alone. There will be nearly as many of both in December.

Boxing is alive thanks to the chemotherapy of competition. The cancer still runs deep, but it has been forced to be more parasitic.


great post beardo...
thehype
QUOTE (BoxingStill#1 @ Dec 1 2010, 03:35 AM) *
In all likeliness this thread will be closed just as fast as it was opened....(for obvious reasons hype)....lol


Why do you think I would close it?

dntknw.gif
caneman
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Dec 1 2010, 12:49 PM) *
*And, before any wart infested little dickheads get their blow holes all choked up when I defend PBF, go download some porn.

I am not sick of boxing, period. Their are some cunts (like Haye and Harrison) out there but PBF is not one of them. I think there are plenty of boxers willing to step into the ring and fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

I have grown to appreciate MMA, first of all for the quality of the athletes and secondly for the competition it has provided for the boxing industry. However, there are plenty of boxers all over the globe fighting anyone, anywhere, anytime for the equivalent of "a hamburger and a medium Coke."

Good fights happen all the time. Great fights have never been plentiful.

The problem with boxing has little or nothing to do with the boxers. Pacman is a great boxing talent and seems to be an equally great person. Team QuackMeow is the problem. PBF is at least as great a boxing talent as Pac, but he appears to be a frustrating and flawed individual. The real difference between Pac and PBF is the level of control they have over their boxing careers.

Arum (the organ grinding circus master) controls Pac's boxing future. PBF controls his own.

Though Floyd is accountable for his career decisions, the business environment he navigates must be taken into consideration. I am also frustrated by his lack of activity and failure to get into the ring with certain individuals, but I respect the fact that he does not dance to the tunes of The Organ Grinding Circus Master.

Bad boxing decisions are (in the vast majority of the cases) not made by the boxers. They are made by the minions behind the scenes and those they hire.

There were a handul of very good fights and another of good fights in November alone. There will be nearly as many of both in December.

Boxing is alive thanks to the chemotherapy of competition. The cancer still runs deep, but it has been forced to be more parasitic.



Great post indeed! You made some very good points man!
D-MARV
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Dec 1 2010, 11:49 AM) *
*And, before any wart infested little dickheads get their blow holes all choked up when I defend PBF, go download some porn.

I am not sick of boxing, period. Their are some cunts (like Haye and Harrison) out there but PBF is not one of them. I think there are plenty of boxers willing to step into the ring and fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

I have grown to appreciate MMA, first of all for the quality of the athletes and secondly for the competition it has provided for the boxing industry. However, there are plenty of boxers all over the globe fighting anyone, anywhere, anytime for the equivalent of "a hamburger and a medium Coke."

Good fights happen all the time. Great fights have never been plentiful.

The problem with boxing has little or nothing to do with the boxers. Pacman is a great boxing talent and seems to be an equally great person. Team QuackMeow is the problem. PBF is at least as great a boxing talent as Pac, but he appears to be a frustrating and flawed individual. The real difference between Pac and PBF is the level of control they have over their boxing careers.

Arum (the organ grinding circus master) controls Pac's boxing future. PBF controls his own.

Though Floyd is accountable for his career decisions, the business environment he navigates must be taken into consideration. I am also frustrated by his lack of activity and failure to get into the ring with certain individuals, but I respect the fact that he does not dance to the tunes of The Organ Grinding Circus Master.

Bad boxing decisions are (in the vast majority of the cases) not made by the boxers. They are made by the minions behind the scenes and those they hire.

There were a handul of very good fights and another of good fights in November alone. There will be nearly as many of both in December.

Boxing is alive thanks to the chemotherapy of competition. The cancer still runs deep, but it has been forced to be more parasitic.

Great Post.
The CEO
I agree with a lot of what Beardo said...except for the part where he says Pacquiao "seems to be a great person"...

He's done his dirt...he ain't no Saint.....very few fighters are known for their Virtue.
thehype
QUOTE (The CEO @ Dec 1 2010, 01:09 PM) *
I agree with a lot of what Beardo said...except for the part where he says Pacquiao "seems to be a great person"...

He's done his dirt...he ain't no Saint.....very few fighters are known for their Virtue.


And contrary to popular belief, Pacquiao is in on the decision making just as much as Arum is. Don't think that Pacquiao isn't fully aware of what he's doing when it comes to making the "business decisions" that Arum is presenting to him.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (thehype @ Dec 1 2010, 11:11 AM) *
Why do you think I would close it?

dntknw.gif


ROFLMAO!!!!!
gravytrain
I think you guys need to realize that boxing is a consumer driven sport and if the consumers make a big deal out of it instead of complaining you might get some better fights. Promoters make shitty fights because they can. They can put Mayweather or Pac in with some chump on HBO PPV and make some serious money. No real risks, guaranteed profit, and nobody ever does anything.

Look at what happened when Mayweather and Pac didn't fight, Mayweather fought Mosley and got 1.5 million buys and Pac/Clottey got 700,000 while being in Cowboys stadium. You think DLH and Arum care about some people complaining on message boards when they can do that? lol.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (thehype @ Dec 2 2010, 05:35 AM) *
And contrary to popular belief, Pacquiao is in on the decision making just as much as Arum is. Don't think that Pacquiao isn't fully aware of what he's doing when it comes to making the "business decisions" that Arum is presenting to him.


I think Pac is smarter than Floyd by a long way. Floyd alienated the boxing public with his attitude & actions (or lack of actions). Pac says "Bob makes the decision I just fight" that way he absolves himself of any blame.

He will make a damm good politician because he is smart enough to make someone else take the rap & since Bob is known as a piece of crap it won't tarnish his reputation further.

Gotta admire Pac for that.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Dec 1 2010, 09:49 PM) *
I think Pac is smarter than Floyd by a long way. Floyd alienated the boxing public with his attitude & actions (or lack of actions). Pac says "Bob makes the decision I just fight" that way he absolves himself of any blame.

He will make a damm good politician because he is smart enough to make someone else take the rap & since Bob is known as a piece of crap it won't tarnish his reputation further.

Gotta admire Pac for that.


Yeah and Arum, like the typical old man that he is, does not give a flying fuck! That old fucker reminds me of Bob Kelso from Scrubs. Hes happy as long as the cash keeps rolling in! Mutually beneficial

Whats got 2 thumbs and dont give a crap



Bob Arum!
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (thehype @ Dec 1 2010, 12:11 PM) *
Why do you think I would close it?

dntknw.gif


the following were your words:

QUOTE (thehype @ Nov 30 2010, 03:30 PM) *
You people really need to start thinking more like a promoter.



My topic title vs. your quote...lol

plus its just a topic thats pretty much based around Bob Arum and his decision making with Pac....something that could have been said on almost any of the current forums....
gravytrain
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Dec 1 2010, 04:57 PM) *
Yeah and Arum, like the typical old man that he is, does not give a flying fuck! That old fucker reminds me of Bob Kelso from Scrubs. Hes happy as long as the cash keeps rolling in! Mutually beneficial

Whats got 2 thumbs and dont give a crap



Bob Arum!


You don't even need to venture past boxing to find an old man that doesn't give a fuck, I can think of one:


SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (The CEO @ Dec 1 2010, 11:09 AM) *
I agree with a lot of what Beardo said...except for the part where he says Pacquiao "seems to be a great person"...

He's done his dirt...he ain't no Saint.....very few fighters are known for their Virtue.

The operative words were "seems to be," Boss, just as the operative words in my description of PBF were "appears to be."

QUOTE (thehype @ Dec 1 2010, 11:35 AM) *
And contrary to popular belief, Pacquiao is in on the decision making just as much as Arum is. Don't think that Pacquiao isn't fully aware of what he's doing when it comes to making the "business decisions" that Arum is presenting to him.

The Organ Grinding Circus Master leads his monkey to believe he chooses the tunes.

QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Dec 1 2010, 02:49 PM) *
I think Pac is smarter than Floyd by a long way. Floyd alienated the boxing public with his attitude & actions (or lack of actions). Pac says "Bob makes the decision I just fight" that way he absolves himself of any blame.

He will make a damm good politician because he is smart enough to make someone else take the rap & since Bob is known as a piece of crap it won't tarnish his reputation further.

Gotta admire Pac for that.

Don't "gotta" but I do.
AussieLad
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Dec 1 2010, 05:49 PM) *
Though Floyd is accountable for his career decisions, the business environment he navigates must be taken into consideration. I am also frustrated by his lack of activity and failure to get into the ring with certain individuals, but I respect the fact that he does not dance to the tunes of The Organ Grinding Circus Master.


I sometimes think boxing needs an organ grinder to make guys like floyd dance. The problem being there are too many puppet masters cranking out the tunes, and they dont like it when the crowds go and watch someone elses monkey.

One organ grinder is what is needed, and only one (ie Dana White). Every big fighter under the one roof. No reason to squabble over a piece of the pie, if you own the whole pastry shop.

If there was one guy pulling the strings Floyd vs Pac would have happened by now. And if one of them didnt want to play ball, he would be out on his ear

I say the next big PPV should have all the promoters scrapping it out in the ring till only one remains. I'd pay to see that

Warlord
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Dec 2 2010, 12:37 AM) *
I sometimes think boxing needs an organ grinder to make guys like floyd dance. The problem being there are too many puppet masters cranking out the tunes, and they dont like it when the crowds go and watch someone elses monkey.

One organ grinder is what is needed, and only one (ie Dana White). Every big fighter under the one roof. No reason to squabble over a piece of the pie, if you own the whole pastry shop.

If there was one guy pulling the strings Floyd vs Pac would have happened by now. And if one of them didnt want to play ball, he would be out on his ear

I say the next big PPV should have all the promoters scrapping it out in the ring till only one remains. I'd pay to see that

The favorite would have to be De La Hoya. He made a career out of beating up old has-beens. Though King is the wild card, as he tends to fight dirty. Goosen is the dark horse, he might blind everyone with his Hawaiian-colored blouse before decking them with a cheap shot. Arum is shit out of luck in this royal rumble. He'd be up and over the ropes before the bell sounded.
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Dec 1 2010, 09:37 PM) *
I sometimes think boxing needs an organ grinder to make guys like floyd dance. The problem being there are too many puppet masters cranking out the tunes, and they dont like it when the crowds go and watch someone elses monkey.

One organ grinder is what is needed, and only one (ie Dana White). Every big fighter under the one roof. No reason to squabble over a piece of the pie, if you own the whole pastry shop.

If there was one guy pulling the strings Floyd vs Pac would have happened by now. And if one of them didnt want to play ball, he would be out on his ear

I say the next big PPV should have all the promoters scrapping it out in the ring till only one remains. I'd pay to see that

I like it.
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Dec 1 2010, 11:37 PM) *
I sometimes think boxing needs an organ grinder to make guys like floyd dance. The problem being there are too many puppet masters cranking out the tunes, and they dont like it when the crowds go and watch someone elses monkey.

One organ grinder is what is needed, and only one (ie Dana White). Every big fighter under the one roof. No reason to squabble over a piece of the pie, if you own the whole pastry shop.

If there was one guy pulling the strings Floyd vs Pac would have happened by now. And if one of them didnt want to play ball, he would be out on his ear

I say the next big PPV should have all the promoters scrapping it out in the ring till only one remains. I'd pay to see that



I think Arum would get out on Oscar.....lls


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