QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Dec 7 2010, 09:49 AM)
No way was Barerra at the tail end of his career when Pac gave him his first ass whooping. Morales for all his wars only showed real wear and tear in the 2nd fight. Maybe it was Pac that made him get old overnight?
And yes he fought prime Marquez and which ever way you slice it those were 2 very competitive fights against a bona fide legend and in the first if the dopey judge had got his scoring right he would've won. Marquez was kinda avoided by both Barerra and Morales yet Pac stepped up to the plate.
Back then I was a huge fan of Pac and you're right, he always took on the good fights in the featherweight division. But from what I've read from others more familiar with the careers of Barerra and Morales, they weren't anywhere near the prime as they once were whereas Pacquiao was just starting to reach his. Not Pac's fault, but still a fact of timing that shouldn't be ignored.
He fuckin smoked Hatton at Ricky's preferred weight.
I hated Hatton more than I've ever hated Pacquiao so he gets a pass for that one.
But even then, after losing to Mayweather, Hatton almost gets KO'd when beating Lazcano, and then beats...Paulie Malinaggi. Where'd you rank Hatton at that point of his career?
I still rate the Cotto win even though you don''t. So that's subjective I guess. Yes the Clottey and Margarito fights are money fights, so what? Don't you think he's earned them?
Sure, but the thing they're not regarded as "money fights" by the major public. They're seen as these grand accomplishments when there's no merit behind them.
As for the bolded part that you keep harping on about, really who says that? Really? Arum and a few million Filipino's, but nobody whose opinion you would value Snoop. For instance this board is pretty knowledgable and you clearly spend quite a bit of time here and you know that there are a few Pac fans here. And who amongst us ever says that. Your 'indignation' is hilarious.
I mean yeah, who I'm really sick of are the Pactards and fair weather boxing fans that become overnight experts anytime Pacquiao fights, but in all honesty, I don't really know where some of the board members stand in regards to the legitimacy of his "legacy". Let's look at records of his last five opponents before they stepped in the ring with Pac:Antonio Margarito
Roberto Garcia - UD win
Shane Mosley - KO loss
Miguel Cotto - KO winJoshua Clottey
Miguel Cotto - UD loss
Zab Judah - TD win
Jose Luis Cruz - KO winMiguel Cotto
Joshua Clottey - UD win
Michael Jennings - UD win
Antonio Margarito - KO lossRicky Hatton
Paulie Malinaggi - KO win
Juan Lazcano - UD win
Floyd Mayweather - KO lossOscar De La Hoya
Stevie Forbes - UD win
Floyd Mayweather - MD loss
Ricardo Mayorga - KO win
How legitimate are those wins when you take into consideration JUST the outcomes and level of opposition of his opponents before Pacquiao faced them? Sure, they had great names, but where were they in their careers when they met Pacquiao? And I'm not even taking into consideration the weight stipulations, the weight classes in which they fought, etc. I'm really in the dark as to where most people on this board stand when looking at this, but it feels like people are making a bigger deal of his recent wins than they actually were.
Really just another stick to flog Manny with and one he didn't ask for.
Now if he said he was greater than SRL like a certain someone we both know.............................then maybe. But he doesn't so give it a break.
It's true that Pacquiao isn't going around proclaiming himself to be the best, but he's also not denying it. Personally, I think the whole "humble" persona is a huge act, but I digress...