I'd rather watch pigs do anal. Booooooooo! Fight the winner of Bradley vs. Alexander. Judah is garbage and has no heart.

I'd rather watch pigs do anal. Booooooooo! Fight the winner of Bradley vs. Alexander. Judah is garbage and has no heart.

Khan has the advantages in almost every category for this fight, but goddamn, the boy has a shaky chin. He got rocked by damn near anything that landed from Maidana. I'm not trying to say Khan is a slouch or that Judah hits on par with the Argentine, but it was like almost EVERY shot Maidana landed. I say Zab might still have a punchers chance in there.

Zab's chin is no masterpiece either Just too many miles on Zab's clock at this stage and Khan is a big 140 pounder. He will braek Zab down and bust him up ala Clottey. Zab may hurt him though, but if Maidana couldn't put him down then I doubt Zab will.

Khan has the advantages in almost every category for this fight, but goddamn, the boy has a shaky chin. He got rocked by damn near anything that landed from Maidana. I'm not trying to say Khan is a slouch or that Judah hits on par with the Argentine, but it was like almost EVERY shot Maidana landed. I say Zab might still have a punchers chance in there.

Judah will get battered.

He got rocked by damn near anything that landed from Maidana.

You watch pigs doing anal?

That's not true at all Snoop. Khan was taking flush shots and wasn't hurt once until he got caught in that 9th round. True, that after he got clipped, he was hurt a lot after that. As it's obvious he didn't recover. But for about 75% of the fight, he was taking flush shots and never hurt.

That's not true at all Snoop. Khan was taking flush shots and wasn't hurt once until he got caught in that 9th round. True, that after he got clipped, he was hurt a lot after that. As it's obvious he didn't recover. But for about 75% of the fight, he was taking flush shots and never hurt.

I think Matthysse is a bigger puncher than Khan.

Matching Khan with Judah is the right move, but it is not the forgone conclusion that has been jumped to by so many. Judah did basically the same thing v Matthysse that Khan did v Maidana. I have read the claims that Judah and Matthysse cannot be compared with Amir and The garbage Man, and they are bullshit.

Matthysse is a monster in the 140 division. He hits like a ton of bricks. His defense is sound. His chin is granite. He deserved the victory over Zab, IMO, but it was not a robbery. Judah found a way to survive (in no small part by taking a knee). Zab took huge punishment to the body in that fight and came out the other end. Matthysse took possibly the best uppercut that Zab has ever thrown and just grinned and kept coming, not unlike Maidana. Matthysse landed less leather on Judah than Maidana landed on Khan.

If the uppercut he landed on Matthysse finds Khan's jaw, Judah will be a 140 pound belt holder.

Judah is 40-6, but only one of those losses was at 140 (Tszyu). Khan is a gifted boxer, but he is no prime Kostya Tszyu at this point in his career. Judah is a different fighter now. He has grown wiser. He has fought better competition by a long shot than Khan and most of it was at welter.

Zab will be a huge underdog if this fight happens (especially in England). I'm telling you right here and now, Judah has a decent shot in this fight.

Wasn't talking about him being the best in the division. I was talking about his size. He is a monster at 140.

There's no comparison? Maybe in your opinion. Matthysse and Judah are dangerous at 140. The comparisons between the fighters and their respective fights are obvious. You may ignore them if you wish but that does not make them vanish from existence.

Judah is a decent challenge for Khan, and Matthysse will be avoided as much as possible, except for maybe by Maidana.

Based on what? Matthysse is Judah's best victory and Matthysse's best victory is Vivian Harris LOL. This reminds me of when someone on here was thinking Freddy Hernandez might do something against one of the top welterweights, there's a big difference between what a fighter does against OK fighters in his division and the elite fighters in his division.

At the very least I see Judah losing a lopsided decision to Khan, Matthysse hasn't even done anything to deserve a shot at one of the top fighters so we'll just have to wait and see whether he'll be avoided or not. Khan beats both, Maidana beats Judah and has some trouble with Matthysse because of his size.

Matthysse is a monster at 140? The best fighter he's faced at 140 is Judah LOL. He's fought nothing but bums up to that fight. I think it's a close fight for him and Judah and they're far from being the top fighters in the sport. There's no comparison.

Actually, I am the person who suggested that Hernandez might give Berto some trouble (prior to the fight even being made). Berto answered that question resoundingly. Now I am the person suggesting that the Mosley fight is bullshit and that Berto should get a shot at Pac.

I am also the one (along with KE) that is of the opinion that Judah can give Khan some trouble and possibly win the fight. That is not just based off his performance v Matthysse. It is based on the growth as a boxer and a person that I see in Judah. It is also based on my opinion that Judah v Matthysse demonstrated how strong each fighter is more than their weaknesses.

I may be wrong again. Maybe Khan KOs Judah in the 1st round. If that happens I will have no problem coming on here and facing up to it.

Now, how many of those who gave Maidana no chance and classified him as garbage have had the nuts to come right out and admit how utterly full of shit they were. Most are like the poster below, who mention it in passing and avoid the fact that the fight was won by the ref for Khan. They make ludicrous claims about how Khan dominated 75% of the fight. Last I checked that would be 9 rounds to 3. Now that shit is hilarious.

If Judah KTFO Khan will you come on here and face up? I doubt it. You will mention it in one line hidden in an extended post about how deep down inside you always knew that Khan was overrated.

I like Matthysse. He is tough, hardworking and humble, like most fighters from Argentina (or from Latin America in general). I do not think he is a world beater but I would rather watch him v anyone than say Ortiz or Lamont Peterson. Not that I dislike either of those guys. I just prefer overachievers. Maidana and Matthysse fit that preference for me currently.

Both deserved victories in their most recent fights. Neither were robbed, though a case can and has been made that Maidana was fighting two men last Saturday night.


To be accurate, I "have a thing for" overachievers. That is why I love boxing; even the most gifted and skilled fighters are usually overachievers in the big picture.

When a fighter overcomes his lack of physical gifts and low skill potential to succeed like a Maidana, I am most impressed, especially when they are as humble as they are ferocious. It just happens to be that the majority of fighters that fit that description are Latino.

But, (almost) anyone who is willing to get in the ring at the professional level gets my respect.

Fuck Margarito.

Think he means size wise. He weighed 153 on fight day in the morning that means by night probably was pushing 160.

Opposed to Khan although tall, is not a large 140...

now thinking about there are things that favor zab experience, fact he only has one loss @ 140, the uppercut and southpaw stance and chin although zabs isnt all that so thats a small advantage

as stated Khan has speed, youth, and power might be even so I think its a battle of young up and comer versus a tested veteran who is not fully washed up like Barrera was when Khan fought him and as we all know the vet vs new kid on the block fights can be toss ups so I'll go ahead and give zab a bit more than a punchers chance however still favoring Khan.

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I'd rather watch pigs do anal.

How can anyone condone this farce. What has Zab done to deserve a shot at a title? Yet some people are acting like this is a good fight.

The same people who jump on Pac for fighting "stiffs" are strangely accepting of this proposed fight. Judah is a shell of his former self & will get battered badly by Khan.

How is Mosley/Pac bullshit but Khan/Judah isn't? if Mosley knocked out a bum then got a controversial SD against an OK fighter would that mean he's revamping his career and on a comeback?

I'll live up to it if Khan loses but that isn't going to happen lol. when Judah loses I want you to get in contact with Khan and Maidana and apologize to both of them for a Judah/Matthysse comparison.



He might be big but the quality of opposition just isn't there to be thinking this guy might be someone in the near future or draw a comparison to Maidana. Maidana has paid his dues and win or lose he's faced top opposition. a win over Vivian Harris and close fight with Judah isn't putting you in the higher ranks of a division.


how long ago was that loss at 140 and what has happened since then? This isn't a Judah that has just gotten older, his career had a downturn and he's slowly trying to take it back to where it was.

Since his loss to Kostya he became undisputed champ and had a decent run at welter point I tried to make bout his one loss at 140 is zabs power is better we all know zab was a small welter which is why so many people bring up at 140 his only defeat was against a pretty damn good fighter in Kostya. His power can hurt Khan that being said still favoring Khan just think he is gonna be more competitive than people think and IMO zab is more deserving of facing Khan than Shane is to get pac

I agree Mathysse has not faced anyone only stating that he is a big junior welter which is what I believe the other post meant by "monster". The verdict is not out yet on Lucas

Now yes zab ko'd a journeyman and won a SD against an unknown maybe not great comeback material but at least it was a live, bigger younger hungry unknown with power! Those two wins look better than a draw and near shut out! come on bro shane got a draw with Serio Mora man? Than lost 11 of the 12 rounds against Floyd at least zab can say he took 4-5 rounds in his fight with Floyd. zab has gotten older yes but Khan will be fighting someone who will be 33 opposed to Pac fighting a man who will be 5 months from 40

Figured that I should go back and answer your question, again.

Mosley v Pac is more of the same circus act organ grinder's monkey shit that we have been treated with by Team QuackMeow for years now. Pac is (supposedly) P4P #1. So who does he choose to fight? A 40 year old shell of a HOF fighter. Pac is (supposedly) the top of the heap. He should be fighting those that are still climbing the heap, not those who are in free fall like SSM, Margarito, Cotto and The African Heavybag. He should be giving legit contenders and belt holders their chance like ODLH gave him and PBF.

You give me shit about comparing Khan v Maidana to Judah v Matthysse and in the next sentence try to compare Khan v Judah to Pac v Mosley?

Wake the fuck up. Khan needs to fight a Judah before he graduates to the Bradleys and (omnipotent being forbid) PBF or Pac. Khan should win comfortably, but isn't that what the vast majority of people were saying before the Maidana War? Wasn't the Judah v Matthysse fight an eliminator for #2 in a couple organizations?

Meanwhile Pac continues on The Foregone Conclusion Tour.

Khan v Ortiz or Peterson or JMM would be okay also. I just do not think it is a good idea for Khan to be in with the Bradley v Alexander winner or PBF. If Bradley gets by Alexander he should get a shot at Pac. That is still a big if.

I wouldn't mind seeing how an Ortiz v Matthysse battle would turn out, as well as Judah v Peterson or Maidana v either Peterson or Judah.

Pac v Mosley is just the same ol' stanky assed shit. Khan v Judah would serve a purpose.

How can anyone condone this farce. What has Zab done to deserve a shot at a title? Yet some people are acting like this is a good fight.

The same people who jump on Pac for fighting "stiffs" are strangely accepting of this proposed fight. Judah is a shell of his former self & will get battered badly by Khan.

You know what gravy? It is all good. I think Khan needs a tuneup with a fast, slick, experienced African American fighter before he steps in with the actual elite. You think he is already there.

Khan is young and need not make a superfight every time out. It does not hurt to take a learning fight. Khan should get some good work in with Judah and be ready to move on, unless Judah surprises us all and reveals Khans true water level.

Pac continuing to dance to his organ grinder's tune at this time in his career is unforgivable.

You disagree. Fair enough. We will see how it plays out.

By the way, I would enjoy seeing how Maidana would do v Judah and Matthysse v Ortiz. It would clear a few things up.

He's actually won the #1 contender spot for the IBF Jr. WW title after winning his last fight.

Guess he deserves one now...

Looks like he needs to go against Kaizer Mabuza for that coveted IBF crown, with a belt he might not have to fight in England LOL.

For Zab, at this stage of his career, a shot at Khan in Wembly or some such is beyond his expectations. I'm sure he saw a couple of things that he believes he can exploit in the Khan v Maidana fight . . . and $ signs are where his pupils once resided.

Looks like he needs to go against Kaizer Mabuza for that coveted IBF crown, with a belt he might not have to fight in England LOL.

People become fans here sometimes still trying to defend a pac vs mosely fight smh ....Differences between zab and mosely: zab=33 shane=40 that should be the end of the story but I'll keep going zab is fighting someone who's chin and really boxing skill overall is still unproven while Shane is fighting the best fighter in the world. I dont expect zab to take more than 2-4 rounds but that should be more than shane flinching Mosley will take from Pac...

Think Gravy or someone said it but Zab should just go for that IBF strap with Mabuza because it gives him leverage and time to see what happens with bradley/Alexander think he is selling himself short taking the quick payday and having to go to the U.K

I personally think he should try to win that belt so he'd have some type of leverage in a unification match. Plus it would make it more interesting.

Khans next fight will be in england. Id be surprised if judah at this stage made a fuss about that and talked his way out the fight. Im sure there would be plenty other guys more than willing to make the fight.

Same situation, Khan is supposed to be one of the premier fighters in the division and he could pick anyone at 140. He's fighting Judah? Judah hasn't even done anything to be relevant, the only thing he's right now is past accomplishments. Judah's best victory as of late is someone who's last 5 opponents are either a bum[Vivian Harris] or unknowns. That's a step down for someone making a case for #1 at 140.

I like Pac/Mosley more actually, Mosley probably has more moments with Pac than Judah does with Khan LOL. Khan/Maidana were two of the top fighters in the sport on their way up, Judah/Matthysse is a fight between someone who really has no accomplishments in the past 5 years and a fighter who's best opponents is the person with no significant victories[other than Matthysse] in the past 5 years.



Not the WBA, IBF and WBO. Maybe Bradley can send one of these dudes out of the sport? lol.

Khan doesn't need Judah and Khan has already graduated. If anything Judah should be thanking Khan for the opportunity. Khan is already one of the top 140lb fighters, will probably be Mayweather's opponent if he doesn't fight Pac, and has accomplished more at 140 recently than Judah has.

LOL come on man, are you seriously comparing Judah to Maidana?




A lot of cats should be getting shots at fighters but promoters make the decisions. GBP wants Khan in with Mayweather and it'd be good exposure for Khan win or lose, which he'll lose. He'll still be young so he can rebound and probably wont be beaten so badly that he'll look irrelevant. Somebody needs to carry that GBP banner when Mayweather is gone, which Mayweather probably has 2 fights left, so who better than Khan? They'll put them two together sooner or later.

I think Khan takes Judah then depending on how the winner of Bradley/Alexander wins they either wait them out or go with JMM or Ortiz.




what purpose is that? it's another clear victory against an overmatched fighter only this isn't going to be a PPV.

People become fans here sometimes still trying to defend a pac vs mosely fight smh ....Differences between zab and mosely: zab=33 shane=40 that should be the end of the story but I'll keep going zab is fighting someone who's chin and really boxing skill overall is still unproven while Shane is fighting the best fighter in the world. I dont expect zab to take more than 2-4 rounds but that should be more than shane flinching Mosley will take from Pac...

Think Gravy or someone said it but Zab should just go for that IBF strap with Mabuza because it gives him leverage and time to see what happens with bradley/Alexander think he is selling himself short taking the quick payday and having to go to the U.K

Dude. Mayweather fought Marquez. Khan is more marketable than him. If it doesn't happen, it isn't because his name isn't 'big enough'.

what do we know about mabuza?... ive never seen him fight... judging by zabs last outing if mabuza is any good zab will have a fight on his hands...

what i meant fitz is that marquez has been in the game for awhile....LONGER than khan....people know marquez....hard boxing fans.....Khan is a new face....is HE NOT? you telling me this guy BEEN around?

mayweather isn't going to fight someone like that, and the ppv won't be chicken shit....the average boxing fan doesn't know that guy like say a cotto, or paul williams.

Dude. Mayweather fought Marquez. Khan is more marketable than him. If it doesn't happen, it isn't because his name isn't 'big enough'.

will NOT happen, name isnt big enough yet, and if you think home boy is a big ppv draw than im already done.

what i meant fitz is that marquez has been in the game for awhile....LONGER than khan....people know marquez....hard boxing fans.....Khan is a new face....is HE NOT? you telling me this guy BEEN around?

mayweather isn't going to fight someone like that, and the ppv won't be chicken shit....the average boxing fan doesn't know that guy like say a cotto, or paul williams.