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Imperius3
Not 100% done yet, but it looks close to done.

It should be a good fight, but I think Cotto will stop Mayorga with some vicious body shots. Mayorga might not have much left, but with his power he can make things interesting if he catches Cotto clean.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
It's been awhile but I am looking forward to a good dose of Mayorga trash talking. Actually I think he might be a little more respectful to Cotto than he has been to some past opponents.

I'm not sure I like this fight for Cotto. He can be dragged into brawls and Mayorga throws with power and from some strange angles. I'm not entirely convinced Cotto isn't terminally damaged from the Margarito/Pac fights and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ricardo pull an upset.

It will be a good litmus test to see how much Cotto has left in the tank.

AussieLad
Mayorga is going to get a beat down. He's tailor made to make cotto look good.
The CEO
This is a likeable fight right here...I'll be rootin' for the bad guy, but Aussie short 'n' sweeted it.....Mayorga will probably take another measured beating.
BrutalBodyShots
Certainly Cotto should win. I agree with everyone that this fight is a good gauge for where Cotto is at.

Mayorga with the exception of the Forrest fights, which were a long time ago, doesn't beat top guys. The good news is that he doesn't lay down for them either. He's not the type of guy that gets blown out in a round or two. Against Trinidad, Mosley and DLH he stood in there and took a lot of firepower before getting stopped.

Mayorga has fought 2 fights above 160 and has a couple of inches on Cotto and like that picture suggests he's the naturally bigger guy. I actually think Cotto's boxer/puncher style Steward is working on is great generally speaking for Cotto, but possibly not great for this fight... I feel like that style is more training Cotto to plan on going the distance, and "if the KO comes it comes" type thing. I don't really see Cotto coming away with a decision against Mayorga like Spinks did for example. Not because I don't think Cotto can win a decision against Mayorga, certainly I think he can but he always does his best work early in fights. Late in fights Cotto seems to fade a bit in the stamina department and from taking punishment it just wears him down. I think Cotto's best bet for THIS fight would be more to simply take it TO Mayorga. Show Mayorga that he's been in with the top guys lately and is a top fighter, that Mayorga is yesterdays news.

When I think of Mosley, DLH and Trinidad stopping Mayorga I see a lot of their success coming from having that kind of attitude; they went out there and threw punches with bad intentions looking to hurt the guy and break him down. They fought with controlled aggression as in they weren't sloppy but took it to him. I think it would be a mistake if Cotto just "came out and boxed" because I don't think that would get Mayorga's respect and begin to break him down. That style allows Mayorga to stay in the fight longer, giving him more confidence and extending Cotto into waters he has already proven he has trouble staying afloat in.

JD
People are going to think I am nuts - but I actually think Cotto's style gives Mayorga a pretty good chance.
TheFonz
Mayorga looks sick and and out of shape in that picture.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (JD @ Jan 19 2011, 11:28 AM) *
People are going to think I am nuts - but I actually think Cotto's style gives Mayorga a pretty good chance.


I agree with respect to the things Steward has been working on with Cotto... that's not the way to beat Mayorga.

JLUVBABY
i would have to go with cotto except for it is my opinion, and ive been saying this, a puncher has a chance against him... im not so sure he takes punches like he used to... if he does then he'll win but we know mayorga gonna give himself a chance to win... cotto will get hit... if mayorga even feels his punches are getting to cotto its conna be a long night for the pride of p.r how ever long it last...
BoxingStill#1
If Cotto has anything left he will undoubtedly win this fight.....Possibly by stoppage

However, if Cotto decides to throw caution to the wind and brawl there is a very good chance he will meet the canvas once again.

Stewart is going to make a huge difference in this fight,.. That's only if Cotto decides to listen

Rest assured, no matter what shape he's in, Mayorga will come to fight...
Lil-lightsout
If Mayorga comes in his best shape, I think we will have a nice little scrap on our hands. I favor Cotto in this one by decision, but I would not count Mayorga out, especially with his punch.

This should be fun.
thehype
Fuck it!

I'm rollin with Mayorga by SHOCKING TKO!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
ViperSniper
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Jan 19 2011, 05:15 PM) *
Certainly Cotto should win. I agree with everyone that this fight is a good gauge for where Cotto is at.

Mayorga with the exception of the Forrest fights, which were a long time ago, doesn't beat top guys. The good news is that he doesn't lay down for them either. He's not the type of guy that gets blown out in a round or two. Against Trinidad, Mosley and DLH he stood in there and took a lot of firepower before getting stopped.

Mayorga has fought 2 fights above 160 and has a couple of inches on Cotto and like that picture suggests he's the naturally bigger guy. I actually think Cotto's boxer/puncher style Steward is working on is great generally speaking for Cotto, but possibly not great for this fight... I feel like that style is more training Cotto to plan on going the distance, and "if the KO comes it comes" type thing. I don't really see Cotto coming away with a decision against Mayorga like Spinks did for example. Not because I don't think Cotto can win a decision against Mayorga, certainly I think he can but he always does his best work early in fights. Late in fights Cotto seems to fade a bit in the stamina department and from taking punishment it just wears him down. I think Cotto's best bet for THIS fight would be more to simply take it TO Mayorga. Show Mayorga that he's been in with the top guys lately and is a top fighter, that Mayorga is yesterdays news.

When I think of Mosley, DLH and Trinidad stopping Mayorga I see a lot of their success coming from having that kind of attitude; they went out there and threw punches with bad intentions looking to hurt the guy and break him down. They fought with controlled aggression as in they weren't sloppy but took it to him. I think it would be a mistake if Cotto just "came out and boxed" because I don't think that would get Mayorga's respect and begin to break him down. That style allows Mayorga to stay in the fight longer, giving him more confidence and extending Cotto into waters he has already proven he has trouble staying afloat in.


Good look into the fight, I specially agree with the bolded part. Both losses to Cotto have been by fighters who are very physical, busy and aggressive fighters and although Mayorga may not be as good as Pac or as fresh as Margarito at the time..he is probably the biggest and most unpredictable out of the two. I think it's a perfect style to see where Cotto is and how he may fair in a rematch with Margs but because of that very reason I feel it's dangerous how this is supposed to lead to Margarito rematch. If I was Cotto/or the people around him I wouldn't be so sure of getting past Mayorga as a tune up to set up a bigger fight down the line!

Cotto will have to stand and trade eventually against a fighter like Mayorga and when he does he should go to the body to slow him down before he gases out himself. I'm expecting excitement from today till the post fight presser as Cotto has one of the most exciting fighters and Mayorga is one of the best trash talkers and brawlers. I believe both may take a trip to the canvas and the fight will end before the final bell.

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ViperSniper
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JLUVBABY
QUOTE (thehype @ Jan 19 2011, 09:38 PM) *
Fuck it!

I'm rollin with Mayorga by SHOCKING TKO!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


im feeling it too ben... mayorga did just a few fights back fight on even terms with a mosley that people would go on to consider one of the best welters in the world for a brief time... and if cotto comes out trying to box with mayorga... well we saw what he did to forrest... you got to man him up and im not sure cotto has the nuts to get in there anymore like that... you got to buck up to him like vargas and hoya... if you dont he wont respect you... this is actually an intriguing fight.....
BrutalBodyShots
So much for Mayorga talking less smack like someone suggested he might during the promotion of this fight, lol. He's his usual self for sure.

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Jan 20 2011, 07:43 AM) *
So much for Mayorga talking less smack like someone suggested he might during the promotion of this fight, lol. He's his usual self for sure.


Yeah I got that wrong and happily so. I love it when Ricardo goes supernova at those press conferences. Boxing needs more characters like him.
salvador
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Jan 19 2011, 12:15 PM) *
When I think of Mosley, DLH and Trinidad stopping Mayorga I see a lot of their success coming from having that kind of attitude; they went out there and threw punches with bad intentions looking to hurt the guy and break him down. They fought with controlled aggression as in they weren't sloppy but took it to him. I think it would be a mistake if Cotto just "came out and boxed" because I don't think that would get Mayorga's respect and begin to break him down. That style allows Mayorga to stay in the fight longer, giving him more confidence and extending Cotto into waters he has already proven he has trouble staying afloat in.


I agree with that, but I would also add that DLH, Tito, and Mosley are all bigger punchers with longer arms than Cotto. Cotto is going to have to get inside and throw combos with hard body shots early (which he's fast enough to do given Mayorga's wide as hell punches). The question is: how many times does Cotto get caught with a huge right hand coming in? And how spent is he after Pac and Marg?

My guess is that Cotto will win the first 6 rounds fairly easily and that Mayorga will be coming on strong in the late rounds.

Fuck it, I'm with Hype! I'm taking Mayorga by ko in the 11th.
Big Slim Sweet
I can't help but be a little bit excited for this fight too. Mayorga's always been the perfect foil for the elite guys.

My early pick is Cotto by KO from a single body shot sometime between rounds 5-8. I think it will be an entertaining back and forth battle up until that moment.
salvador
I just put $100 Mayorga at +600 - just too good to pass on.

The thing is, for another hundred I could win enough to pay for the trip out to Vegas. I have to believe that these odds are going to shrink. It's not like Cotto looked particularly tough in his fight with the overrated/feather fisted Foreman. And I can't get the image of Cotto quitting against Marg out of my head. And the Pac fight had to have taken whatever confidence Cotto had left.



The Original MrFactor
I hear its on PPV. No way do I pay for this one. There was a time when PPV was used for big fights.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 20 2011, 07:20 AM) *
I just put $100 Mayorga at +600 - just too good to pass on.

The thing is, for another hundred I could win enough to pay for the trip out to Vegas. I have to believe that these odds are going to shrink. It's not like Cotto looked particularly tough in his fight with the overrated/feather fisted Foreman. And I can't get the image of Cotto quitting against Marg out of my head. And the Pac fight had to have taken whatever confidence Cotto had left.


i think its a safe bet for the odds sal... a hundred is not over the top on mayorga in this fight... cotto has a lot of question marks right now and foreman showed in that loss how hittable he is... mayorga is a very live dog here...
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 20 2011, 07:24 AM) *
Mayorga, The Measuring Stick.


to a degree beardo... he did beat forrest twice and many thought he had mosley beat going into that last round... he seems to thrive when guys try to box him... i thought he beat corey spinks when he was still good... lost a majority decision to vargas... beat a good solid fighter in michelle piccirillo... he's not a gate keeper... id say maybe he's a gate keeper to the guys that want to be considered an elite fighter maybe?...
Method
QUOTE (salvador @ Jan 20 2011, 08:20 AM) *
I just put $100 Mayorga at +600 - just too good to pass on.

The thing is, for another hundred I could win enough to pay for the trip out to Vegas. I have to believe that these odds are going to shrink. It's not like Cotto looked particularly tough in his fight with the overrated/feather fisted Foreman. And I can't get the image of Cotto quitting against Marg out of my head. And the Pac fight had to have taken whatever confidence Cotto had left.



Ahhhhhhahahahahahahaha. My Man. I did the same thing yesterday as JD and I were talking. Not so much because I think Cotto loses, but because I think Mayorga has an outside shot to land one of his haye-makers and put Cotto's lights out.

To be fair, what I REALLY wanted to do (and will) is put money on Mayo by stoppage, but, the fight being so far away, the ONLY thing Sportsbook.com has odds on right now is to pick the winner (not how they win). I only laid $50 on Mayo to win $300 (as I want to see if those odds widen or not). If the odds widen, I will continue to add to that position. My real interest is in the odds of Mayo by stoppage, because if he is +600 to win, he's gotta be +1000 to win by stoppage (which, let's face it, is the only way he wins). Big size advantage here (when you see these two stand back to back). What's more, they BOTH look out of shape yesterday.

This is a value play here. Not indicative of how I see the fight playing out.
JLUVBABY
yall boys are laying smart money... not too much to notice if he loses but enough for a nice score on an outside shot if he wins... mayorga is very live and i think he feels he can win this one which judging by the cotto i feel ive seen in his last few fights he (mayorga) can very well win this fight...
salvador
QUOTE (Method @ Jan 20 2011, 04:02 PM) *
Ahhhhhhahahahahahahaha. My Man. I did the same thing yesterday as JD and I were talking. Not so much because I think Cotto loses, but because I think Mayorga has an outside shot to land one of his haye-makers and put Cotto's lights out.

To be fair, what I REALLY wanted to do (and will) is put money on Mayo by stoppage, but, the fight being so far away, the ONLY thing Sportsbook.com has odds on right now is to pick the winner (not how they win). I only laid $50 on Mayo to win $300 (as I want to see if those odds widen or not). If the odds widen, I will continue to add to that position. My real interest is in the odds of Mayo by stoppage, because if he is +600 to win, he's gotta be +1000 to win by stoppage (which, let's face it, is the only way he wins). Big size advantage here (when you see these two stand back to back). What's more, they BOTH look out of shape yesterday.

This is a value play here. Not indicative of how I see the fight playing out.


I'm at sportsbook as well. At +1000 I'm in by stoppage too, but sportsbook has been weak lately and hasn't offered much more than straight bets for boxing.

JD
LOL...it's day 2 of the press tour, and Cotto is getting all irritated with Mayorga already...

BoxingStill#1
I love this fight too....

It will be interesting to see if Mayoraga can get under Cotto's skin.... Seems he already has judging by the way Cotto reacted when he said "I didn't interrupt you don't interrupt me!"..... Seems like there was a little bit more conversation as Cotto went on to say " I beat Shane Mosely! Remember Shane Mosely?".......never hearf Cotto react like that... Or at least that's how it sounds... It will be interesting to see the video

Mayorga has a talent for bringing the fight out of a fighter...
BoxingStill#1
I love this fight too....

It will be interesting to see if Mayoraga can get under Cotto's skin.... Seems he already has judging by the way Cotto reacted when he said "I didn't interrupt you don't interrupt me!"..... Seems like there was a little bit more conversation as Cotto went on to say " I beat Shane Mosely! Remember Shane Mosely?".......never heard Cotto react like that... Or at least that's how it sounds... It will be interesting to see the video

Mayorga has a talent for bringing the fight out of a fighter...
Imperius3
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Jan 19 2011, 10:15 AM) *
Certainly Cotto should win. I agree with everyone that this fight is a good gauge for where Cotto is at.

Mayorga with the exception of the Forrest fights, which were a long time ago, doesn't beat top guys. The good news is that he doesn't lay down for them either. He's not the type of guy that gets blown out in a round or two. Against Trinidad, Mosley and DLH he stood in there and took a lot of firepower before getting stopped.

Mayorga has fought 2 fights above 160 and has a couple of inches on Cotto and like that picture suggests he's the naturally bigger guy. I actually think Cotto's boxer/puncher style Steward is working on is great generally speaking for Cotto, but possibly not great for this fight... I feel like that style is more training Cotto to plan on going the distance, and "if the KO comes it comes" type thing. I don't really see Cotto coming away with a decision against Mayorga like Spinks did for example. Not because I don't think Cotto can win a decision against Mayorga, certainly I think he can but he always does his best work early in fights. Late in fights Cotto seems to fade a bit in the stamina department and from taking punishment it just wears him down. I think Cotto's best bet for THIS fight would be more to simply take it TO Mayorga. Show Mayorga that he's been in with the top guys lately and is a top fighter, that Mayorga is yesterdays news.

When I think of Mosley, DLH and Trinidad stopping Mayorga I see a lot of their success coming from having that kind of attitude; they went out there and threw punches with bad intentions looking to hurt the guy and break him down. They fought with controlled aggression as in they weren't sloppy but took it to him. I think it would be a mistake if Cotto just "came out and boxed" because I don't think that would get Mayorga's respect and begin to break him down. That style allows Mayorga to stay in the fight longer, giving him more confidence and extending Cotto into waters he has already proven he has trouble staying afloat in.


Interesting perspective, but I disagree. Cotto needs to protect his chin at all times in this fight. I have never trusted Cotto's chin, and he doesn't need to be giving Mayorga any chances here especially after his fights with Margarito and Pacquiao. I think this really is a fight where Cotto needs to box smart and simply wait for the KO to come. Trinidad, DLH, and Mosley were able to bully the bully because of their firepower and also because of their good chins. And yes, Trinidad's chin was better than Cotto's.

If Cotto gets too aggressive, he might get caught or he might gas even earlier than we've seen before. The way I see it, he can still stop Mayorga if he fights a smart, patient fight. Timing and accurate shots will do the trick, especially to the body. I'm calling it Cotto by 8th round TKO.
Imperius3
QUOTE (JD @ Jan 20 2011, 03:47 PM) *
LOL...it's day 2 of the press tour, and Cotto is getting all irritated with Mayorga already...



Would someone be kind enough to translate Mayorga's diatribe? Thanks.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 20 2011, 06:49 PM) *
Sometimes a measuring stick is a nightstick about the head and shoulders, profusely.


mayorga is very live here... cotto is not the fighter he used to be...
kidbazooka1
oh yeah this is gonne be war. I like both guys but Cotto is the obviouse favorite but Mayo does have areal punchers chance though.

Can't waite for this one.
Method
Sal - Sportsbook.com's boxing platform is limited (compared to the robust platform of 5Dimes, for example), but come the day before or day of the fight, they wil DEFINITELY have "Pick the Result" options.

I guess I could double down on my $50 now, making the toal a$100, but I am too tied up w Hockey and football playoffs to tie up money on an event so far out. I just allocated a little bit to lock in the +$600 in the off chance that those odds narrow.

I like Cotto. I hate Mayo, but I gotta go w El Fatador here. I know I'll probably regret it. He always talks mad shit and then after getting his clock cleaned gets don on his knees apologizing to his conqueror post-fight.

So funny.

Fuck Manny Steward. You can't train a chin.
BrutalBodyShots
Yeah the odds opened up very wide on this fight. By fight time, no question that Mayorga is inside +300. I bet Mayorga by stoppage gets set at about +600 at Sportsbook the Thursday before the fight, when you can get that line on him now for just the win. If anyone is going to play Mayorga in this fight, the time is now because I see the odds getting cut in half, at the very least.

BoxingStill#1

QUOTE (Method @ Jan 21 2011, 06:41 PM) *
...... You can't train a chin.


I like that....

Unless your PAC....(Sarcastic face)
STEVENSKI
Fuck Cotto. I want to see him get beat up good again. If it is a loose cannon like Mayorga all the better.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jan 22 2011, 01:30 AM) *
Fuck Cotto. I want to see him get beat up good again. If it is a loose cannon like Mayorga all the better.


im with you on this one stev... as long as cotto is the champ he is a looming possibility for the arum/pac milk train... plus that guy is shot... emanuel steward in his corner or not them margarito fight sapped that dude and pac finished him... ive been preaching this since the foreman fight... a puncher who can fight him back probably knocks him out.... the question will be how much does mayorga have left... if he's got some dog left in him i think he stands a very good chance in this fight.. cotto is shot.
salvador
For some perspective on the +600 odds for Mayorga, Brian McGee is only +575 to win against Bute. Absurd - unless oddsmakers know something we don't.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 22 2011, 09:05 AM) *
While I agree that Cotto is a KO waiting to happen, Mayorga is actually the kind of bitch that I don't mind beating to unconsciousness with a couple of asphalt facials thrown in for shitz and jiggles.


im interested to see how cotto reacts when mayorga starts touching him...
BrutalBodyShots
If Mayorga upsets Cotto, I could see Mayorga getting a shot at Pacquiao in the very near future... and getting steamrolled in a fight very much resembling DLH-Mayorga with Pacquiao being even more dominant.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 22 2011, 07:53 PM) *
It is a no-win sitch. Who would you rather see v Pac of the two? I'm pulling for the salamander I mean Nicaraguan.


Neither really. Pacquiao blows both out inside the first half of the fight. At least with Mayorga we'd see him blowing out someone different I suppose, but I wouldn't get excited to see either.
AussieLad
Man, i am really surprised so many are giving mayorga a chance when he has been irrelevant for so long. Sure he is bigger and has a punchers chance. But its about the same chance margarito had vs pac. Mayo is getting his ass kicked
AussieLad
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Jan 22 2011, 03:23 PM) *
im with you on this one stev... as long as cotto is the champ he is a looming possibility for the arum/pac milk train... plus that guy is shot... emanuel steward in his corner or not them margarito fight sapped that dude and pac finished him... ive been preaching this since the foreman fight... a puncher who can fight him back probably knocks him out.... the question will be how much does mayorga have left... if he's got some dog left in him i think he stands a very good chance in this fight.. cotto is shot.


Cotto is shot...? What does that make mayorga...?
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Jan 22 2011, 09:53 PM) *
Man, i am really surprised so many are giving mayorga a chance when he has been irrelevant for so long. Sure he is bigger and has a punchers chance. But its about the same chance margarito had vs pac. Mayo is getting his ass kicked


Cotto is hardly a Pacquiao.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Jan 22 2011, 09:55 PM) *
Cotto is shot...? What does that make mayorga...?


Despite Mayorga being farther past his prime than Cotto, I think most giving him a chance in this fight point to his toughness. Everyone knows that Mayorga can absorb at least 5-6 rounds of Cotto's bombs, but can Cotto absorb 5-6 rounds of what Mayorga has? Several years ago I don't think there would be a question about Cotto being able to take it, but now there is after several brutal losses and tough fights. His resiliency simply has to be questioned at this point.

BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 22 2011, 08:31 PM) *
I completely agree with you but given a (shitty) choice of the two I take Mayorga.


I suppose I would as well. Mayorga would at least give as good as he gets for a few rounds until he submits, where Cotto I think would be on his bike for the most part.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Jan 22 2011, 09:59 PM) *
Despite Mayorga being farther past his prime than Cotto, I think most giving him a chance in this fight point to his toughness. Everyone knows that Mayorga can absorb at least 5-6 rounds of Cotto's bombs, but can Cotto absorb 5-6 rounds of what Mayorga has? Several years ago I don't think there would be a question about Cotto being able to take it, but now there is after several brutal losses and tough fights. His resiliency simply has to be questioned at this point.


Yep this pretty much sums it up for me as well. I don't think anyone is questioning which boxer has the better resume, the superior skills etc, it's simply coming down to whether Cotto can take a shot anymore. If he can't I seriously give Mayo a chance in this one.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Jan 22 2011, 08:55 PM) *
Cotto is shot...? What does that make mayorga...?


they are both shot aussie... but cotto isnt taking punches like he used to... should he win this fight?.. yes... but mayorga has a shot...
rusty_trombone
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Jan 22 2011, 09:53 PM) *
Man, i am really surprised so many are giving mayorga a chance when he has been irrelevant for so long. Sure he is bigger and has a punchers chance. But its about the same chance margarito had vs pac. Mayo is getting his ass kicked

I agree with you man, this fight is a fucking joke.
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