QUOTE (mexi-cutioner @ Apr 10 2011, 02:45 AM)
You clearly don't know much about Lemieux if you have a problem with the quality of oppositions. THe dude has been raised very well by his management team, just last year he fought aseasoned veteran in Walid Smichet and Hector Camacho Jr. and Elvin Ayala, a dude who drew with Sergio Mora and challenged Arthur Abraham for the title and went 12 rounds. Those dudes all have tons of experience and i don't know about ubut I wouldn't call a dude who challenges for a title and draws with world champs a taxi driver.
I bring up Khan cus Khan is a similar same case in point; he was knocked out by a huge underdog in a fight by a solid punch and every1 started coming out calling Khan overrated with a padded record who fought tomato cans and expired veterans. motherfuckers were judging a fighter's entire career and potential based on one fight....now he's got a world title and beating opposition that are way better and way heavier hitters than Prescott at lightweight. Difference between Lemieux and Khan in their losses is Khan was stopped by one punch and out, while Lemieux was dominating Rubio and looked like he was going to end the fight early till Rubio scored big with a solid punch but he was virtually down 6-1 on the cards. You act like Rubio wiped the floor with this kid when it was the other way around for the greater majority of the fight.
If filling up stadiums, generating solid revenue, getting views on national television and bringing excitement isn't good for boxing (only Canadian boxing) then what is good for boxing? You jus hatin' cus Canada actually support and stand behind their fighters and dish out some money to watch them on TV and in the stadiums, while alot of Americans either don't know or give a fuck about most of their fighters.
Ayala got knocked out against Abraham and really wasn't doing too well after the first few round of a fight Abraham always took off. once Abraham started fighting Abraham was winning and in round 12 he stopped him. he got a draw with Mora like 3 years prior to fighting Lemieux. after the loss and draw what did he do? same with the other fighters you mentioned. his management wanted to keep seeing the same early stoppages because that's what got Lemieux so much attention, they weren't worried about gradually increasing the quality of opposition. after Raines he should have stepped it up in the rankings but they just kept matching him up with fighters he should have and did end it early against.
Khan is overrated, Bradley is going to beat the brown off of him. Lemieux however wasn't looking so nice once Rubio started fighting in the 5th and was gradually broken down and beaten until it got stopped in round 7. this wasn't 1 shot, it's being in the ring with someone that turned out to be a live opponent.
Americans have a lot of options when it comes to boxing, all the real fighters want to make it here. domestic fighters and fighters from abroad get some attention from the boxing public here. Americans just can't get behind some Lemieux like fighter because we support guys that actually have enough balls to stay in the ring and do an interview after a loss
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Apr 10 2011, 03:50 AM)
As far as the mayweather comparison... again... nobody really knew what type of mayweather we where going to see and yes some people did give marquez a chance and yes some did bet on marquez... i dont know about on this site if any one actually bet on marquez but he did get play at the casinos but the fact is in this sport a fighter of mayweathers status or any other fighter consider p4p or a great fighter for the time can on any given night be shocked and ko'd and or beaten by a lesser fighter thats figured by the general public to not be on that fighters level... the sport is full of those stories and the sport thrives off of those types of nights... upsets are very good for the sport and keeps interest in the sport... thats why there is betting on the fights with odds... chances decrease depending on who a certain fighter is facing or increase but i wouldnt care if mayweather stepped in the ring with vivian harris who just got stopped in one this past week... no matter how you try to twist it harris would have a chance in the fight till mayweather showed otherwise... im sure you will say mayweather wipes the floor with harris as most logical people would but truth is we dont know till they fight... at this particular time that wold be an assumption because the fight has not happened yet... they could fight and harris throws a fluke punch and ko mayweather... just saying... that is the point im trying to get you to see that nothing is a given in this sport till it actually goes down...
i used mayweather vs marquez as an example and i used khan cuzz its the perfect example of a highly touted contender getting beat in a pretty similar fashion to lemieux by a fighter that wasnt supposed to have a shot... up till that point you can argue khans level of opposition as well... matter of fact rubio was a much bigger name in boxing than prescott was... prescott was considered young and untested with a big punch and khan hadnt fought any real fighters up till that point... actually lemieux if you wantto compare the two has fought the better comp leading into his loss than khan did since you went there to compre the opponents.... rubio is a fighter we know of and is a solid veteran professional that showed this kid he still needed some growth before moving up anymore in the ranks as they where trying to do.... rubio was the perfect test for the kid and actually lemieux was winning the fight when he got caught... he was passing his test for the most part.. as far as who he has fought... he has shown a steady upgrade in opponents in his last 10 fights... they all had winning records (over the .500 mark) and most of them where very solid fighters with wining records... so i dont see the point you are trying to make calling his opponents cab drivers...
like i said before... lemieux being only 22 for sure can rebound and i wouldnt call him a bum just like i wont call kirkland a bum for the loss he took tonight... is kirkland all of a sudden a bum for the way he got destroyed tonight?.... if you consider lemieux a bum then kirkland surely is a bum as well if i am too judge off the logic you are using... matter a fact maidana can be labaled a bum as well cuzz most on this board figured morales was shot to shit and some even feared for his safety... so i guess maidana should be considered a bum too cuzz personally i thought morales gained a draw or it should have gone either way by a poit or two but a non bum would have and should have finished the washed up morales quick right?.. just saying man i dont know if you just have a HATE for lemieux or if you are just too critical of the guy in general but it happens... he took a minor step back... either way just try to remember he's still a kid... he has plenty of time to rebound and correct his mistakes... and to tell you if they work on the kids cardio and endurance id favor him over rubio in a rematch... you act like rubio dominated the dude the whole fight...
i know nothing is a given in this sport but boxing is also filled with mismatches because mismatches still get the fighter and promoter paid, they could even get a title out of it[Alvarez]. it'd be like if Mayweather actually fought Spadafora, that shit is purely easy money and low risk/high reward.
records don't mean shit, how you beat them and the quality of opposition is everything. Lemieux's last 10 were largely domestic fighters fighting poor opposition in their home country and a lot had losses going into the fight. some even had losses by stoppage and KO going into it. a guy like his previous opponent Purnell Gates last 5 opponents were 27-65-3 and dude is in his late 30s. this wasn't just Lemieux getting caught either, Lemieux was getting roughed up in the 6th and got stopped in the 7th.
Kirkland was a hot prospect before but he did nothing to show he's back and got stopped. he's officially bum status. same with Lemieux, he got an opponent that took the fight to him in the middle part of the fight and folded. he might have won the first 5 but the 6th on was a fight and we saw how long it lasted.
QUOTE (Snoop @ Apr 10 2011, 02:20 PM)
Just watched the fight and my first impression is that Lemieux getting exposed is worlds apart from Kirkland getting exposed, as it seems some people are comparing the two. Lemieux's loss seemed to be a result of miscalculating the fight and underestimating his opponent. I also think he could have potentially survived being hurt but his corner probably thought it better to fight another day. But after reading some of the comments on this thread, it sounds like Lemieux was a cocky little shit so he probably got the humble pie he was asking for.
Kirkland, on the other hand, got exposed for having no chin. Ain't much you can do about that except maybe learn how to protect that chin.
Either way, both these guys need to learn how to tie up a fighter when they're hurt and stop relying on their power/aggressiveness, but from what saw, Lemieux has a better chance of salvaging his career than Kirkland does. Maybe these two need to face each other in the ring.
And BTW, wasn't the ref in that fight Marlon B Wright?
i think it's hard to compare the 2. Lemieux was freer than braless tits and Kirkland had legal troubles that held him back from his boxing career, Lemieux's freedom gave him a lot more opportunities to grow as a fighter and refine his craft. staying out of the gym and out of the ring for a year is going to make you've some serious ring rust too. i'm not saying i called the upset with Kirkland but it's not like he didn't spend a year away from boxing while still being a developing fighter.