QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Feb 20 2011, 09:11 AM)
To me I actually think Vic slipped a bit, not improved. He has lost a fight(Agbeko) and had that very close one a little bit ago which I think was a draw? He just looks slower and his stamina does not seem all too great.
I do agree that Donaire is that good, and he is way too fast and powerful and would surely stop Vic again. Obviously Vic would need to land one helluva bomb to win, his only chance. After seeing this, I really do wonder if Vic truly would want a rematch and if he really believes he could win. If they do rematch, please keep a close look out on your bro, I do not want him to do anything stupid. We need him here, he's P4P the best poster on this forum!
True, good point actually. Vic did
improve after the Donaire defeat and bounced back stronger than you could have asked for. But, I agree he is no longer at his best when he fights at 118. He has definitely lost some of his pop and a pinch off his speed due to the weight climb as it's now his third division.
Vic gave up on Donaire a while back as it seemed pretty clear he wasn't going to be getting the rematch like he wanted. But I really do think deep down inside he still wants the fight and if he was offered it, guarantee he would take it. The first fight Vic never really landed anything too meaningful so, that was always something Vic could have changed in the rematch as his power was that much of a factor, as 112 would have been his best bet to avenge his first defeat. But now at 118, being 35 years old I don't think Darchinyan chances have increased at all, specially now that Donaire is running red hot atm. Donaire is wrong for Darhinyan!
QUOTE (Fitz @ Feb 20 2011, 10:45 AM)
What's going on ATN, welcome back.
Well like I said earlier, I think Marquez still deserves his #3 spot. I agree now that Marquez is only going down from here and Donaire has more upside, and has won his fights more clearly.
But I don't think it's fair to knock Marquez for having competitive fights with Diaz and getting knocked down by Katsidis. He can get put down, but the point is how he handles it, and he isn't the first great fighter that can be put down.
Plus, Marquez shouldn't be winning his fights more clearly than Donaire. Marquez is fighting above his weight, and that should be taken into account. He stopped Casamayor, a 135 champion and someone that has never been stopped before, not even Corrales, Castillo and others could do it, and Diaz the 135 champion who was young and fresh and never been stopped before. To become undisputed 135 champion. That is very impressive and to be winning like this and performing like this at his age should also be considered.
I didn't punish Marquez severely for his loss against Mayweather. Marquez hasn't really done anything bad where he should be punished, and what Donaire has done in his last 2 fights isn't more impressive than what Marquez has been since 2006, and has been extremely consistent.
I just think Marquez accomplishments are still much better than Donaire's last 2 fights, and I don't think Marquez has done anything yet to be punished. Just my opinion though.
I agree that Donaire has more upside, and actually looks better recently, but I pay attention to the work they have done, and Marquez has been very consistent.
Great points! In regards to Marquez losing to Mayweather I don't think a p4p#2 fighter should drop so much in rankings for loosing to #1 as you can't loose to anyone better. That's not even mentioning about Marquez moving up 2 divisions to take the fight lol.