This is not PPV it's gonna be regular HBO.

DeLeon vs Bronner should be a good fight too i've been hearing good things about Bronner but Deleon has been on a pretty good win streak since losing to JuanMa.

Gotta disagree Jack.

Ponce de Leon v Bronner is worth recording StrikeForce in my estimation. Hopefully, they will give us a look at the Kirkland and the Jacobs fights. They are both of interest to me. It looks like Kirkland is getting busy in the right way. I guess he is scheduled to fight again in about a month.

I also think that Hatton will be a decent test for Alvarez. Sure, it doesn't look like much on paper, but Hatton is a seasoned pro that I believe is a bit of a step up for Alvarez. So far, I'm just not as impressed as a lot of people with the redheaded kid. Potential? Certainly, but I think they are bringing him along properly.

Saul may be bigtime in Mexico but he isn't ready to step up against the elite just yet.

Dude's 35-0 gravy. He aint being rushed into anything, and rightly so. I thought Ndou gave Alvarez a decent workout, and Hatton will do the same (though he may well visit Twitchland).

I think Saul is actually being groomed for a run at middleweight. Angulo would be a nice step up for Alvarez- maybe in Mexico City. but he still has Hatton to deal with, though most have already granted him the walk over.

I dunno, isn't the kid only 20 yrs old? I actually think they're bringing him up a bit fast. I think someone mentioned in the other thread that should Alvarez win the WBC strap (which he should), he'll be expected to take on Champion-caliber opponents, something that, IMO, he isn't ready for. It's too bad because I actually think he has quite a bit of potential, but meeting someone like a Cintron or Angulo right now would be a bad move.

No rush, but do you want Alvarez to be a JCC jr, or a champion. How many fights has Pac lost? Or JMM? Or Soto? Or SMartinez? Or BHop?

What would constitute fucking it up? Losing his fucking 0?

It is time for The Kid to be kicked out of the nest and into the street. If he gets by Hatton (which he should), Alvarez is ready for the Angulo test. He might not pass it, but it certainly won't ruin him, unless he does not measure up to being a champion. If he lost, he would come back stronger, like those I mentioned above.

I dunno, isn't the kid only 20 yrs old? I actually think they're bringing him up a bit fast. I think someone mentioned in the other thread that should Alvarez win the WBC strap (which he should), he'll be expected to take on Champion-caliber opponents, something that, IMO, he isn't ready for. It's too bad because I actually think he has quite a bit of potential, but meeting someone like a Cintron or Angulo right now would be a bad move.

We are on the same page, gt. Boxing in general has become too much a case of feeding designated losers to marketable guys (or those you hope will become marketable).

But, how does he become prepared? Is JCC jr being brought along properly? Or should it be more like JCC himself?

IMO, The Kid is ready for M Hatton and a meaningless belt. It is kind of ironic that 100% of the people on here think M Hatton has 0 chance, yet most seem to think GBP is (or will be) fucking up Saul's development.

I am not so sure Angulo makes short work of Alvarez. In fact, the more I think about it the more I like that match up. Kind of like chips and salsa. I win.


Alvarez is a cross over talent in Mexico. What I mean by that is that he brings a wider audience with lesser expectations to the table. IOW, he can get away with not fighting championship caliber comp (easier than Berto, for example).

That said, I lean more towards feeling that it is time to truly test The Kid's mettle (if he gets by Hatton). IMO, fighting Angulo, even if he lost in a firefight, would be better for Alvarez than continuing to treat fights like sparring sessions.

Why would it be a bad move? The Kid has experience beyond his years. I think over protection of the 0 is a worse move.

Let The Kid fight.


No rush, but do you want Alvarez to be a JCC jr, or a champion. How many fights has Pac lost? Or JMM? Or Soto? Or SMartinez? Or BHop?

What would constitute fucking it up? Losing his fucking 0?

It is time for The Kid to be kicked out of the nest and into the street. If he gets by Hatton (which he should), Alvarez is ready for the Angulo test. He might not pass it, but it certainly won't ruin him, unless he does not measure up to being a champion. If he lost, he would come back stronger, like those I mentioned above.

Those days never existed in our lifetimes, Ollie.

Nothing against it, but if a fighter was felt to be of truly high caliber they usually got/get their shot somewhere in their first 30 fights. Off the top of my head, Duran, Benitez, Camacho, Leonard, all got their shots before their 30th fight. the list is very, very long and goes waaay back.

That does not mean that it is right for Alvarez. But I think it is time for him to step up, not to the elite, but definitely to the Angulo level, within the next 12 months.

One of the reasons most get their shot at a title early on is the proliferation of belts. If not for that, you would see far more fighters waiting until later to get their so called shot.

i agree with this too... when are these guys gonna learn?... moving these fighters as fast as they are these days helps kill their investment more than it helps them...

hbo has this fight on its schedule for saturday night... did it change to ppv?

I don't get it. Maybe GBP will fuck it up in the future, but I think that they have given Alvarez a good teacher. He has worked hard. GBP has increased his level of competition.

Everybody is talking shit about M Hatton, but he is certainly an increase in quality of opposition, no matter how small.




Certainly the WBC title should not be involved with the outcome of this fight, but don't kid yourself that somehow everyone had paid their dues of the fighters I named above. Take a closer look.

I suppose I don't consider Angulo and Cintron elite level. I'm not saying that Alvarez should be fighting either in his next fight. I am saying that he should be fighting 3 more times this year with his 4th fight possibly being at the Angulo level, and if not then his 1st fight next year.

I don't get the incessant hand wringing over this kid. If the Mexicans don't watch it, their fighters are going to start getting branded prima donas.

But Leonard was able to move up faster, he had an amateur career an olympic gold medallist and had that up bringing.

Surely the same cannot be said for Alvarez, when he is 20, no amateur career (I'm guessing). He is pretty much learning now, so you can't expect guys to move up at the same pace when one has had an amateur career and the other hasn't.

But Leonard was able to move up faster, he had an amateur career an olympic gold medallist and had that up bringing.

Surely the same cannot be said for Alvarez, when he is 20, no amateur career (I'm guessing). He is pretty much learning now, so you can't expect guys to move up at the same pace when one has had an amateur career and the other hasn't.

But Leonard was able to move up faster, he had an amateur career an olympic gold medallist and had that up bringing.

Surely the same cannot be said for Alvarez, when he is 20, no amateur career (I'm guessing). He is pretty much learning now, so you can't expect guys to move up at the same pace when one has had an amateur career and the other hasn't.

This fight ain't even on in England unless something has changed in the last day. Nobody gives Hatton a chance, it's set up nicely for Alvarez to feast on the name Hatton and then move on.

Alvarez TKO 6.

That's what keeps going through my head. Oscar will shit Twinkies if Hatton wins!

Jack

gt, that is some nightmare material. No shit, I just woke up from a Vegas nightmare with De La Ho ya passing by on The Strip. Frickin hilarious shit.

Really?

Benitez won his first world championship at the age of 18 in his 25th or 26th professional fight.

Everybody keeps bellyaching about how GBP is moving Alvarez too fast on one hand while criticizing the M Hatton fight as a mismatch on the other. Just because one of the many belts is involved does not constitute moving Alvarez too fast. It is time for Alvarez to step it up. You all are acting like a bunch of fucking mother hens over protecting a hatchling.

I do not disagree with the amateur experience aspect of the argument, but it only goes so far. Fine, run from Angulo if you like. How bout we put the two Mexican prima donas in the ring . . . and then there will be one. You know who I'm talkin about.

i think that's the problem, GBP is putting a lot into Alvarez but not really building him up. he went from fighting complete nobodies and will most likely be a champion despite only having fought a C level opponent. what happens when he actually has to step it up one day and he's just had an easy road to success? he's going to have a rough night and it most likely wont be pretty.