QUOTE (EAlbian @ Mar 18 2011, 09:52 AM)
So Floyd or Manny going up 6lbs is ok but Martinez going up 8 is not? Manny was fighthing at 140 2 years ago, Martinez was fighting at 154 2 years ago. So Manny should fight 14 lbs north of where he was 2 years ago but Martinez cant fight 14 lbs north of where he was 2 years ago?
you said going up to SMW is a better move for him financially and i've been saying fighting the top guys at 147-154 would. simple as that. if you don't think wins over Mayweather, Margarito, Pac, and Cotto could have a guy doing pretty well in boxing then you'd be about as good of an adviser as Greg Leon lol.
QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Mar 18 2011, 09:32 AM)
Gravytrain, Andy Lee is a ranked middleweight and I would definitely bet with you he would not last 3 rounds with Lemieux. It would be a slaughter. If they boxed next week there isn't the slightest hope Lee would win. Rubio is an ideal fight to test Lemieux next and if he wins that one he could meet Chavez jr or Zbik. Early KO wins in both. He is nearly there, I have magnificent faith in him and for you to flat out dismiss him is churlish.
probably because he's looking good against bums and has only been fighting bums. it's like thinking my white ass is about to dunk from the baseline on a regulation hoop because i can do it on the 8 foot.
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Mar 18 2011, 08:12 AM)
Sorry but Manny fought at a CW of 150. He has never fought at a full contracted 154 and to me it would be ridiculous to expect him to fight a guy who is current the Middleweight champion of the world. That's just silly.
I'll grant you this, Floyd did fight at the contracted 154 pounds but taking an Oscar fight is and always will be the exception to the rule. De la Hoya was not a Martinez sized 154 pounder either.
It's bit like when Jones went up and fought Ruiz for a once off shot at a portion of the HW title. It was a calculated risk in a special occassion, to some degree a cherry pick and I'm pretty sure most of us knew it was highly unlikely we'd see him back at HW again. And if you'd said to me he should fight a Klit I would give you the same reply as the one I give you for PBF or Pac fighting Martinez.
Pac fought for a JMW title and was a JMW champion, if he didn't want to face another JMW fighter he shouldn't have fought in the division. it's pretty simple. Margarito is also a Martinez sized JMW fighter, if size wasn't an issue then it shouldn't be now. if it's not the size then Martinez is just the better man. the situation is similar with Mayweather too, he'd no issue going against the bigger DLH for the 154lb strap. Martinez is bigger but there are no size requirements in weight classes, if he makes 154 then it'll only be a fight in a division Mayweather was a champion in.
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Mar 17 2011, 11:22 PM)
Yeah but there's a reason why it is called 'pound for pound.'
I bet you thought it was real impressive when Floyd came back and beat up a piss drinking midget who was also 'p4p' at the time too huh?
Sure both Floyd and Manny have tentatively dipped their toes in the 154 pound division but only for special reasons. 1st for Floyd to fight the biggest cash cow in the history of the sport (who was also semi-retired at the time) and further his own career in the process and secondly for Manny to win a farcical 8th title and even then it was at a CW.
Don't be so fucken retarded by calling for Floyd or Manny to meet Martinez. Both guys have ZERO business fighting at 154, especially against a guy who is a true 154 pounder and very active. They are just too small to compete with a guy like that. A win for Martinez would be meaningless.
There are enough good challenges coming for him at 154 and especially 160. Definately it's a bummer for him that the 2 biggest paying fights are just 1 weight division away from him but it is what it is. Suck it up and move on.
yeah and there's a reason why it's called the JMW division, it's a division you fight in for a JMW title or against a fighter weighing no more than 154 pounds. if you win a strap then you're a titlist, if you're too small for the division don't compete in it.
the fights have something for all the fighters to gain. if you guys haven't caught on to name on a fighters resume being able to help their career regardless of the circumstances then you're either daft or haven't learned the history of the sport. when Marciano knocked Joe Louis out no one gave 2 shits about Louis being an old balding man who only fought because he'd to pay the IRS, it's Joe Louis. same with all the other similar fights in the history of boxing and what currently happens. if Pac beats Martinez then he would probably be a top 10 ATG, if Mayweather beats him it'll definitely help his legacy, and if Martinez won both fights he'd have the names of the 2 best of his era on the W column. all of them are guaranteed to make money, all of them guarantee Martinez sees a small amount of it, and to be honest Mayweather/Martinez would do a hell of a lot better than a Martinez fight with Pac so it'd probably be about the biggest payday out there other than Pac. i rarely even buy PPVs and i'd get it just for the chance to see Mayweather get beat up on and i really doubt i'd be the only one.