Hahaha, what great news to hear. I don't know what Golden Boy has planned, but I already know Arum was going to bring him up like he was bringing up Pacquiao. I'm happy about this for now.

I guess this means Donaire plans to stay at bantam for a while, cause Arum was not trying to hear about him fighting anyone from the Showtime tournament. He was all about 122, 126...

Yeah but Fitz do you think Golden Boy are going to do it any differently?

YES! I'm so happy! Now all we need is for Pacquiao to sign with Don King!

I'm thrilled as well.

It was totally shitty that Donaire ever had to smile and answer questions politely when asked why he wasn't fighting on the undercards of Pacquiao fights. He deserved better.

Good for Nonito i think GBP will treat him better.

Arum must be f*cking pissed though.

YES! I'm so happy! Now all we need is for Pacquiao to sign with Don King!

i think Arum deserves it, not even putting the man on Pac's undercards was fucked up. hopefully GBP works out for him.



Pac's English has gotten better over the years but once King starts jiving he wouldn't understand a damn thing.

I've always heard that Manny didn't want him on his undercards. I actually think it may have worked to Nonito's benefit that he wasn't though because he's been creating his own legacy.

Exactly.



I don't know. At least with this, I have hope. Arum already scoffed at the suggestions that Donaire could fight one of the other champions at bantam. Like they were not worth it and he beats them on paper, so there isn't much point. He was already talking about a fight with Lopez or Gamboa. While minutes ago, Donaire was saying it was always his dream to become undisputed in a division and would love to fight the winner.
So to answer you question. I don't know if it will be done differently, but I hate Arum anyways, so I'm happy about that and there is hope at least. I suppose if Donaire's next fight is against one of the other bantams, I can say that Golden Boy have done it differently.

Given the chance Golden Boy will prove themselves to be bigger snakes than either Arum or King. Given their reasonably short history they've already indulged in some shady stuff like skimming the undercard fighters on the Khan/Malignaggi bill.

As for putting on good fights, these are the guys that deemed Mosley/Mora PPV worthy. That's gotta be the worst of the lot and were then prepared to fuck one of their own partners (Mosley) in his attempt to get a Pacquaio fight.

Just watch, they will fuck up Donaire's career just like they'll screw up Alvarez's. People are rejoicing now, and I understand why, Arum has gone out of his way to irritate hardcore fans for the last coupla years, but trust me long term this will not be a good move fo Donaire.

I really like Donaire, he is a class act and a monster in the ring and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not sure this move is for the best.

that's about like trying to decide what shit smells the worst, all of the promoters making any money are completely full of shit and only care about themselves. as for the choice of PPVs i'd say it's the same situation, all the major promoters, at this point GBP and TR, put out shitty PPVs for no other reason than they make more money than having it on HBO or Showtime for free.

personally i think GBP wil most definitely put him in the mix at bantamweight without messing around and they already have Mares so if things go well for him that's a potential opponent. Arum has also seemed to in my opinion neglect his other fighters if they're not Pac/can't fight Pac so maybe GBP will give him more attention and try to cash in on him sooner rather than later.

BoxingScene.com: How do you feel Nonito Donaire's stature has been affected by the fact that Manny Pacquiao is the top fighter in the Top Rank stable?

Rachel Donaire: The thing is that we needed to take chances. It was hard to get fights. At least, A-level fights with Manny Pacquiao making these huge dollar sign amounts.

I think whenever we had to discuss Nonito's fights, you know, it was kind of on the back burner for Nonito, like, whatever is left on the bone, that's what you have. But that's the energy they seemed to spend on him. But it wasn't like a really big priority for them to set Nonito up with really big fights.

I understand that Manny was fighting Oscar De La Hoya, and Juan Manuel Marquez, and super big, just enormous names. But at the same time, the reason why Nonito signed with Top Rank is that they had Manny.

And Top Rank was the one that really wanted Nonito. Coming from Gary Shaw, they really wanted Nonito. And they were like, 'What can we do to get him here?' We figured that because Bob Arum kept marketing him as the next Manny Pacquiao, that they would market him with Manny, you know what I mean?

But a simple thing like being on the same show on the undercard was not something that was done in the last three years. We didn't think that was that big of a thing to do.

That would have helped with the fan followings if Nonito had been on the same HBO cards as Manny. But, I mean, everything happens for a reason. And I think that Nonito needs to tell people, and to make it on his own. Even back here in the Philippines, they refer to Manny all of the time.

Now, Nonito is never going to be Manny, but Manny's also never going to be Nonito. That's just how it has to be. They grew up in different places and they can be respected as two different fighters.

I've yet to see any proof that Golden Shower Promotions know how to properly build up a fighter. I've seen them destroy a couple. I guess this will be a prime opportunity for the Swiss banker to prove me wrong.

does Kelly Pavlik ring a bell? lol. all promoters fuck up and fuck around, i expect that. i don't think going to GBP is a disaster though, if anything it shows me Donaire is a respectable guy that feels looked over and doesn't want to ride bitch in his career. he could have easily stayed with Arum and hoped for the best despite feeling that his best effort hasn't been put into Donaire's career, i'm sure Arum could easily say "look at Pac, is that where you want to be when he retires?". instead of doing that he's trying to get the bigger fights and have someone as a promoter that will help him secure them.

does Kelly Pavlik ring a bell? lol. all promoters fuck up and fuck around, i expect that. i don't think going to GBP is a disaster though, if anything it shows me Donaire is a respectable guy that feels looked over and doesn't want to ride bitch in his career. he could have easily stayed with Arum and hoped for the best despite feeling that his best effort hasn't been put into Donaire's career, i'm sure Arum could easily say "look at Pac, is that where you want to be when he retires?". instead of doing that he's trying to get the bigger fights and have someone as a promoter that will help him secure them.

Given the chance Golden Boy will prove themselves to be bigger snakes than either Arum or King. Given their reasonably short history they've already indulged in some shady stuff like skimming the undercard fighters on the Khan/Malignaggi bill.

As for putting on good fights, these are the guys that deemed Mosley/Mora PPV worthy. That's gotta be the worst of the lot and were then prepared to fuck one of their own partners (Mosley) in his attempt to get a Pacquaio fight.

Just watch, they will fuck up Donaire's career just like they'll screw up Alvarez's. People are rejoicing now, and I understand why, Arum has gone out of his way to irritate hardcore fans for the last coupla years, but trust me long term this will not be a good move fo Donaire.

I really like Donaire, he is a class act and a monster in the ring and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not sure this move is for the best.

Yep Kelly Pavlik rings a bell alright. How Arum was ale to squeeze those many big money fights out of a guy who was frankly an average talent (and as we now know an alcoholic as well) was pretty damn impressive.

Nice going Bob, LOL.

Look I think Donaire is a respectable guy as well. I like him a lot. I hope this move is successful for him. And yes all promotors are pretty much snakes in the grass. I'm just not sure he's jumped to the best snake. I think I'd go to Lou Dibella over these guys.

Yes they will have an immediate decent fight waiting for him, but what then? Golden Boy seems to run out of ideas pretty quick and they lack the creativity of the old school guys.

I hope Donaire at least got a whopping sign-on bonuss. Maybe Oscar still has that old duffel bag lying around he once tried to give Manny, haha.

i'd say putting the nail in the coffin of Pavlik by putting him against Hopkins was a pretty big fuck up. no promoter gets it right all the time. passing on DLH/Mayweather wasn't too smart either.

it's kind of ridiculous thinking that signing with GBP is about to ruin Donaire's career, it's the same shit under a different banner.

People forget that Golden Boy hasn't been around for that long, they've been around for barely under a decade and even though they haven't developed a brand new talent from scratch, they've recruited A LOT of big names, many of whom continue to stay with the brand.

Honestly, it's about looking at what Donaire has done with Arum to understand why the move was made. Nonito was promised a 3 fight/year contract and in 2008 he had one defence, 2 fights in 2009 and 2010 was the first year Arum lived up to the contractual promises. Also, look at the quality of opponents Arum has been putting him in with: for example, last february he fought at 115 against Manuel Vargas, a dude who fought his 5 previous fights at STRAWWEIGHT. Then he fought Hernan Marquez in his next fight, a dude coming off a loss to a mediocre filipino prospect on the Pac-Clottey card. He's fought alot of guys below his level and it can't be any worse than what GBP will be offering him.

Thing with Golden Boy is GBP racks up probably the most boxing televised coverage in America compared to all the other promotional companies. HBO, HBO Latino, Showtime, Telefutura, and ESPN all air GBP shows on the regular and there's a certainty that Donaire will be getting fights on HBO and Showtime on the regular, something i felt GBP could've guaranteed before isntead of Arum putting him on these shitty ass Pinoy Power and Latin Fury TopRank-PPV cards--how the fuck is a young prospect going to gain exposure on these cards that probably only rack up 60-80K buys on a good day???

The idea of legitimately free markets is largely a myth. However, boxing is an example of a relatively free market at work. Team Donaire has made a significant business decision. Many future business decisions in boxing will be effected by Nonito's decision and how it plays out. If boxing was ruled by a monopoly, Donaire would not have the option of defying Top rank. Top Rank would control all of the fighters. Top Rank would have less motivation to treat the fighters fairly. The elite fighters would be paid far less. The product would become staged theatrical events.

Boxers (and fans) all over the world should be thanking Donaire for striking a blow for the working man.

Now look outside of boxing, to the NFL for example, or maybe to the events in Wisconsin. There is a concerted effort by the financial elite to relegate those who actually produce products to serfs, whether through governmental domination or monopoly. In case you are unfamiliar with the term, serfs formed the bottom tier of fiefdoms during the feudal period. All power and wealth was held by the noble, his family and chosen associates. The serfs performed the labor in exchange for protection and whatever food and shelter the noble deigned them worthy of.

No middle class existed. Little opportunity was afforded.

Who has faced the consequences of the collapse of the economy brought on by the money changers? Certainly not those who spend their days in front of their computers handing money back and forth digitally, creating nothing. the men and women who produce real products and services have faced the consequences.

"We fucked you, now we are going to fix the problem by fucking worse, repeatedly."

You need look no farther than Russia and many of the former Soviet puppets to find the result of Neofeudalism; a largely hopeless populace ridiculed and despised by a tiny nobility, yet without the energy or capacity to fight. The best they can muster is blame for leaders that failed to be strong and ruthless enough.

That is what happens when you are subjugated for a thousand years.

Thank you Nonito Donaire. You represent Oakland, the Bay Area, and the working man well.

If Mayweather isn't fighting under the Golden Boy banner whom do you think in the GBP stable is likely to notch up 250k PPV figures?

As to continuing to fight under their brand, wasn't Barerra supposed to be a partner? What about Mosley? Hopkins was 10 seconds away from jumping ship at one point and you can bet JMM will be counting the days until he is a free agent.

The only reason Golden Shower have such regular dates with HBO is due to Oscar's relationship with them. GBP has coasted on the basis of this relationship since its inception and really hasn't done sweet FA to shake up the promotional landscape.

Even 24/7 was Floyd's idea!!

And outside of PBF fights this cosy relationship hasn't done much for HBO. They've backed the wrong horse and I think opened up a gap for Showtime, lets see if they can make something of it.

Golden Boy=Lame.

If Mayweather isn't fighting under the Golden Boy banner whom do you think in the GBP stable is likely to notch up 250k PPV figures?

As to continuing to fight under their brand, wasn't Barerra supposed to be a partner? What about Mosley? Hopkins was 10 seconds away from jumping ship at one point and you can bet JMM will be counting the days until he is a free agent.

The only reason Golden Shower have such regular dates with HBO is due to Oscar's relationship with them. GBP has coasted on the basis of this relationship since its inception and really hasn't done sweet FA to shake up the promotional landscape.

Even 24/7 was Floyd's idea!!

And outside of PBF fights this cosy relationship hasn't done much for HBO. They've backed the wrong horse and I think opened up a gap for Showtime, lets see if they can make something of it.

Golden Boy=Lame.

At this point in Nonito's career, he's not even ready for an HBO PPV header YET. The dude's garnered enough popularity among the filipino's in America, putting him on some HBO BAD or world Championship shows would make people more familiar with him, that's something Arum wasn't doing. Nonito was fighting goofs on Top Rank PPV shows now c'mon man, how is taht going to help a fighter in his prime develop a fan base? these top rank ppv's arum puts on are dogshit most of the time too JCC Jr. heading the card against a tomato can fuck.

Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career. And GBP is still managing to put Hopkins in thse big shows fighting Pavlik, Calzaghe, Pascal and the Pascal rematch. What can you argue against GBP bringing up Mosley? He fought Cotto and Margarito, two of the top weltwerweights in the world when they fought; an opportunity against Berto which was scrapped, then he got put in with Mayweather. Even when Mosley was tuning up, they gave him the opportunity to fight Mayorga who sells a fight like no other and the fight was fought in Mosley's backyard so it sold well. Look at who JMM fought as well, it wasn't until the last few years that JMM turned out to be one of the top p4p fighters in the world and all of that time was spent fighting under GBP.

The only reason these dudes jump ship is cus they want a Pacquiao fight. Period. They're at the twilight of their career and want a big pay day to end it.

At this point, Arum is trying to feed Nonito to teh wolves imo. Nonito clearly wants to stay at 118, and Arum is already talking about Nonito moving up to 122-126 which I don't think he's ready for. What's Nonito gonna do next? fight Vazquez jr. and if he wins move him up and pit him against Gamboa? Please, Nonito isn't ready to fight Gamboa at 126. Top Rank was clearly doing all teh wrong things with Nonito and after 3 years of being mistreated, he has every right to jump ship

"Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career"

You've kinda answered your own argument about Golden Boy. All those fighters were pretty much stars before they joined GBP.

As for Hopkins' fights. He has been kept on ice for long periods of time and you know how unhappy he was about it. In fact he has many times proclaimed himself to be a free agent

Mosley after destroying Margarito and becoming the hottest WW in the world for a quick minute was left to do what? Nothing but sit back and cool his heels. Shrewd move guys.

The only reason JMM became big was his rivarly with Pacquaio. In fact that's also the only reason he got a fight with Floyd, so Floyd could have bragging rights over Manny. It sure as fuck wasn't anything Golden Boy did.

Yes they were stars, but GBP was relatively new and had been around for a short time. It was a credit to them that they got stars so early. Most other promoters would probably have to build slowly.

That's like saying that the only reason Pacquiao became big, was because Oscar wanted to fight him and sure as fuck didn't have anything to do with what Arum did. Also, the Mayweather fight wasn't the only fight Marquez had.
Marquez made a good run and p4p claim for himself when he moved up to 135 and wiped the division to become undisputed. I think GBP did quite well with that they got Marquez, and what he accomplished at light weight.

"Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career"

You've kinda answered your own argument about Golden Boy. All those fighters were pretty much stars before they joined GBP.

As for Hopkins' fights. He has been kept on ice for long periods of time and you know how unhappy he was about it. In fact he has many times proclaimed himself to be a free agent

Mosley after destroying Margarito and becoming the hottest WW in the world for a quick minute was left to do what? Nothing but sit back and cool his heels. Shrewd move guys.

The only reason JMM became big was his rivarly with Pacquaio. In fact that's also the only reason he got a fight with Floyd, so Floyd could have bragging rights over Manny. It sure as fuck wasn't anything Golden Boy did.

Try re-reading my posts. I haven't said that Arum was doing a goood job with Donaire, and certainly I think Donaire was right to look at his options, I'm just not sure that jumping to GBP is the best move. I'll stand by that. So far those clowns have done nothing to convince me they know how to handle a guys career in the long term.

If the biggest predicament you have against GBP building up prospects, just look at how Saul Alvarez is currently being built up. In fact, let's compare Alvarez to Donaire. In the 5 fights since Alvarez has been with GBP he headlined the undercard of Mayweather-Mosley as well as Mora-Mosley, both cards had a good number of sales and attendance. In his other 3 fights vs Cuello, N'Dou and Matthew Hatton, he headlined televised HBO Latino cards and most recently, HBO World Championship Boxing where he won his first world title being one of the youngest to do so, against an opponent he was suposed to beat with a reputable name (hatton). Overrated or not, the dude has developed an IMMENSE following In fact, my buddies who are casual fans that only know the skin and bones of the sport know more about Alvarez than Donaire, simply from having more exposure to Alvarez than DOnaire.

Donaire on the other hand, has fought 4 fights on Top Rank PPV's against overmatched opponents. I'm not sure what the buy rate for those PPV's are but I can assume they are fairly low. MUCH lower than the Mayweather-Mosley and Mora-Mosley PPV's. In Donaire's fight vs Sidorenko, he was promised by Arum a spot as the headliner on the Top Rank PPV after JCC Jr backed out last minute, and instead he once again sat in the backburner as an undercard fighter. Meanwhile, Alvarez fought on the same night vs Lovemore N'dou as the main event on HBO Latino. While both fights had about the same level of meaningfulness (more for Donaire actually, since it set him up for the Montiel bout), I can guarantee you that more people tuned in to Alvarez' win than Donaire's.

True, GBP has had trouble building up its prospects from the ground up, but you make it sound like boxing superstars are built up fairly easily. Considering the era of boxing we live in, i'd say it's now much harder. Alot of it is bad luck. It's clear GBP lost faith in Ortiz after the Maidana loss, but upto that point they were doing very well marketing him. No one expected Danny Jacobs to lose to Pirog, a dude with 15 fights who's fought B and C level europeans his whole career. Another case would Be James Kirkland, it's simply unfortunate he had to go to jail otherwise he was gaining A LOT of momentum as a rising star.

If you can convincingly tell me one or two things Golden Boy will do that could be worse than how Arum was handling Donaire, then I'll quit this debate. It's clear that Arum lacked confidence in Donaire's abilities, hence the reason he continuously fed him taxi drivers for so long on low quality PPVs. Donaire was also extremely inactive up until 2010. By the time he was convinced after teh Sidorenko and Montiel win, it was too late.

AGAIN read my comments. I'm not saying I necassarily disagree with Donaire jumping ship, I'm just not sure he's jumped to the right place.

Where else was he gonna go. King is done his best days are over, Shaw and Dibella are good but they don't have the power of an Arum or GBP.

mexi-cutioner's up a round on my card.

Mosley on the other hand had a sensational performance against Margarito that reignited his career and although he ended up with the Mayweather fight, more by good luck than good management, his career stalled badly.

Fitz you're a smart guy and I'm really surprised you think Golden Boy is the nuts as a promotional company. To me, compared to some of the slick moves that Arum and King make they are complete rookies, and have been made to look so on countless ocassions.

And in fact almost 10 years in as a promotional company they at times look like they're going backwards. I am surprised you think they are doing such a good job.

Actually Mexi I've said in other threads that I think GBP may be moving Alvarez along too soon. By giving him a title they've given him very little wiggle room to fight some more gatekeeper types and build up his skills.

Now he has to face fully blown contenders.

I suspect the reason they are trying to move him on so quickly is:

A) Ortiz failed badly.

B) Most of their established stars are on the downside of their careers and their main money man Floyd shows no signs of wanting to get back in the ring.

GBP need a cash cow quick and I bet in their desperation to find one they screw Alvarez's career.

Sorry but as you can tell I'm no fan of the Swiss banker and his cronies. I do realise that all promoters are looking out for Number One but this crowd show a woeful fucken lack of imagination compared to some of the other dogs around.

As for building him up, Saul was absolutely a superstar in Mexico before crossing over to America. Is he that well known in the States? I'm sure amongst the Latino community he is, but amongst the casual fight fans community? C'mon.

AGAIN read my comments. I'm not saying I necassarily disagree with Donaire jumping ship, I'm just not sure he's jumped to the right place.

Actually Mexi I've said in other threads that I think GBP may be moving Alvarez along too soon. By giving him a title they've given him very little wiggle room to fight some more gatekeeper types and build up his skills.

Now he has to face fully blown contenders.

Yeah but most promoters don't start with several hundread million in cash, a recognisable brand name & figurehead & executive level contacts with the premier boxing network do they?

Just saying GBP's success is not down to hard work & graft but more key contacts & financial backing.

Correct but GBP don't seem to show any ability to get it right any of the time. When have they built a guy from scratch?

Donaire is not a cross over name yet, and Golden Boy are yet to show any evidence that they know how to get a guy there. If they don't get a star fighter 'fully formed' as it were they struggle. They don't seem to know how to build a guy up.

Say what you want about the likes of Arum and King but they know how to build stars. I don't see anything ridiculous in that at all.

i can see what you're saying to some degree but if GBP couldn't handle building the success of a client i really couldn't imagine they'd have the successful prime time PPVs they've had. they got Mayweather when he was doing 350k buys and later he was doing 800k-1.5 million.

You know what, as much as I hate to admit it I have to give Floyd a lot of credit for that. He came up with the idea for 24/7, which I think hugely contributed to his fight numbers with ODLH. He crossed over into the rap/ hip hop community and was shrewd enough to sign gigs with WWE and Dancing with the Stars.

As well as playing the bad guy persona he forced his way onto the pop culture landscape of America. This all gave Floyd a huge bump. He realised that he would get a lot of fans tuning in buying into his cocky persona and perhaps even more people tuning in to watch him lose. Floyd created Floyd as a PPV phenomina.

I give him kudos for this and as far as I know none of these ideas originated out of GBP.

i don't know about that, would Mayweather have made the impact without 24/7 and DLH/GBP? i really doubt he was about to get 24/7 with Arum for fighting Margarito or Cotto, he wasn't even going to be fighting DLH for a few years. i see what you're saying and Mayweather has done a pretty good job of selfpromotion but to cut GBP out of the equation you'd have to cut about every promoter out. prior to Pac Arum's last really successful fighter was DLH and DLH was a promoters dream, is TR about to get no credit for that?

Well I'll meet you half way on that. i don't think he would've got it if he wasn't fighting De la Hoya. The GBP part is irrelevant. GBP is/was founded on Oscar's relationship with HBO. it was always going to be inteersting to see how they would evolve once he stopped fighting and in my opinion they have fallen short of the mark.

pretty much how i see it too, i just don't think they've really had to do anything special yet. since DLH started GBP they've had a PPV fighter, it's him then it's Mayweather. with Mayweather kind of out of the picture i think they've made some pushes for other fighters to carry the banner but it really hasn't been long. i don't think any promoter is about to try to do something when they already can do something with a fighter though, it's like Arum talking about Donaire saying that the fighter making the most gets the most attention. everyone else is just someone in the stable.

After all of the slaggin Arum has done towards Donaire bringing race and his wife as part of the issue this must be awkward once negotiating begin with them again. I wonder how this will effect Arum & Donaire compared to before all this GBP business began.

Poor Nonito for a fighter as highly ranked and highly skilled like himself, who actually wants to fight the best..he isn't in the greatest position!

Sorry for the rant, and this may sound very aggressive, but I actually hope Arum dies!