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Jack 1000
This thread is for all on-going and post-fight reactions to the Perez-Darchinyan fight. Note that the originally scheduled match between Agbeko and Mares is off due to an injury to Agbeko.

Preview comments and predictions about Darchinyan-Perez can be posted here. Spoilers will begin at approximately the times indicated above.

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Jack 1000
My Pick is Perez by UD in a war! Darchinyan's chin let's him down along the way, but he will show great heart in coming back. This has to be a war. I will suspect Vic will lose at least two points for dirty fighting and that will be a factor in the scoring.

Jack
caneman
I'd love to see chiny get KTFO! It should be a war though...Perez by UD 115-113ish!
JONdaCON817
Perez for the win. wide UD... i dont see Vic winning more then 3 or 4 rounds.

i was hoping to watch Perez vs Agbeko eventually. =(

and Mares vs Agbeko was gonna be sicc.. smh...
caneman
A smart fighter should be able to fuck chiny up....just move to their left with a jab with rthands down the middle and a lthook. All chiny really has is a left hand IMO! He talks that shit but he better stay away from Donaire!
BigG
So Vic won after 5 due to a cut...I knew he was faster and more skilled than Perez. Perez is a tough inside fighter...Good win for Vic....I used to hate him but I've grown to like him over the past year....
Lil-lightsout
Damn you guys were off with your predictions. Vic looked pretty darn good in there and beat up Perez every round. Lucky for the cut because Vic was going to stop him soon enough. Congrats Fitz! Your man looked good tonight. He definitely comes to fight and I really liked his attitude for this fight an it showed in his performance.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Damn, not a whole lot of discussion about this fight. Just watched it, and Vic looked good. He was agressive, but didn't seem overly agressive most of the time. In fact, I thought he had Perez hurt pretty badly in the first 2 rounds and could have gotten him out of there. He picked his shots though, and didn't seem that reckless unless Perez was clearly hurt. I really wish we could see him in a rematch with Nonito Donaire, but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. It's a damn shame too, because that would be a good fight, with the rematch being closer. Vic seems to have tightened up his shots, and has always had the power. Perez just wasn't able to get off with shots tonight, but he's one tough dude. After a tune up, wouldn't mind seeing Perez in a rubber match with Agbeko or a rematch with Mares.
BigG
Kyle, I think Perez will and should move up to 122 soon. Gotta give credit to these Bantamweights for making these fights.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Yea, Perez has the height so maybe he's draining himself too much making 118. Absolutely have to give the bantams credit for making these type of fights in the past year. Wonder if he'd be willing to go over to Japan to fight the WBC champ Nishioka? He's 34 with 45 fights, and hasn't really fought anybody on Perez's level since Gonzalez. A fight with Vazquez Jr. would be a war as well.
Fitz
What a good win for Vic, he busted him up and never let Perez in that fight. He battered him hard in those 5 rounds. Wasn't expecting that result, but very happy with it.
He looked good tonight, and said prior that he was sick of trying to prove he can box still, and box 12 rounds like he has been and wanted to go back to how he was and look for a knockout, and it showed tonight. Just way too explosive for Perez.
It will be interesting to see what Vic does from here, he wants Mares, and said he will knock him out cold in a rematch, lol, and said he wants Donaire as well. He will lose to Donaire, but I don't give a fuck, but nothing and absolutely nothing scares this guy. He will keep coming and chasing the best around, he can't be deterred and has way too much pride.
Jack 1000
Are doctors getting too cautious with cut-eye stoppages?

Although Dr. Paul Wallace is one of the best fight doctors in the country, I disagree with his decision to stop the fight. The cut was not severe enough to warrant a stoppage. In general, there are too many fights being stopped because of superficial cuts.

Many doctors are treating all cuts the same as fighters taking excessive punishment and that's not the same thing. If a cut is really, really fucking bad, ala Lewis-Klitschko or a Henry Cooper type fight like against Ali, sure, stop the fight.

However, today we are seeing many matches stopped for small scrap type gashes, with too many doctors coming down on the side over being overly cautious with cut stoppages. At least the ref could call time and the doctor could say, "The cut is bad, we will give you one more round to do something," or the full rest period for the corner to work in the cut. That way, the fighter/corner would at least know that the fight is in danger of being stopped.

At least give, I don't know what you would call it, a "Cut warning" from the ref or the doctor, which would at least allow the cornerman to work on the cut.

You could say that Parez was getting dominated, and that is true. However, unless it's an overtly bad cut where the wound is going into the eye, the doctors and refs should give the fighter and the corner the proper consideration for the corner to stop the cut, or at least try.

If there is a consensus that after the cut is worked on, that it can't be stopped, and will only get worse, than stop the fight. But unless the cuts are really bad, requiring an emergency stoppage, give the corner-men the consideration to try to mend the cut.

Jack
AussieLad
To be honest, i didnt think perez wanted to continue. The cut was a bad one, but perez didnt want to come back out in my opinion regardless of what the doctor said. Still, it was in a bad spot and considering the battering he was taking he didnt need blurred vision making things worse.

When i was reading about vic switching back to his KO artist persona, and not making the mistake of 'boxing' sa he did vs Mares, i thought "here we go, he's going in wild and trigger happy"... I thought Perez would threaten vic down the stretch on points. But vic gave him a shellacking
ViperSniper
Vic was violent as hell!!!!!

He came out looking for the KO like he promised and it showed from the opening bell showing real quickness and violent shots to the head and body. From the opening bell he came out swinging and stunned the tall Colombian fighter, which from that point on had the fighter on the back foot and wary., Darchiniyan was so busy he never let Perez in the fight!

Bantamweight may not be his ideal division as he has lost some of that pop, but from the fight here he showed he still has a ton to get your respect and hurt you, specially when you throw everything into your shots the way Vic Darchiniyan does, they are going to have to have an effect!!

It was an fortunate that the fight ended the way it did, but I think Darchiniyan made such an effect early and throughout, that he was already on his way to stopping the tough Colombian. Perez didn't seem like he was going to win and the head clash seemed like a blessing in disguise for him. This is an impressive performance and victory by Vic, against Perez, who I had favourite leading into the Tourney.

Seem strange how Vic Darchiniyan's only 3 professional defeats coming from the top 3 best current Bantamweights at the moment in Agbeko, Mares & Donaire! He has shown interest in all three bouts, I think he has some options to work towards after this victory!
SmartyBeardo
Haven't seen it yet, but got to give props to Darchinyan. What a warrior. Love him or hate him, Vic is nothing but good for boxing.
JONdaCON817
ya kno, i figured Perez would come out slow the first couple rounds in hopes of gettin Vic a lil tired before letting his endurance kicc in.... but once that cut opened up and i saw the blood squirt across the ring i knew it was gonna be done and he was screwed at that point... he waited too long.

and Vic was telegraphing his punches like crazy!! not much lateral movement from Perez either.. deff helped Vic land those power shots.

Perez isnt the quiccest fighter but he looked slower then usual.. maybe he was being overly cautious or Vics power really had him shook after the first haymaker landed... either way i actually thought he recovered fairly well, got bacc on his toes and was able to fire bacc a few shots.. coulda been over rather quiccly had it been someone else eating those punches.

i was pretty amazed the punch totals were so close... i dont rememeber seeing Perez throw as many punches??
and the NEW
I want to see Vic fight a rematch with the loser of Agbeko V Mares personally (assuming the winner will get Donaire unless Bob ruins that one also if Mares was to come out victorious).....

The bantam division is truly incredible at this point.

You have guys like Moreno and Kameda in there also to fight some of these guys from the tournament. Don't forget Montiel either, his not done yet!
AussieLad
I agree that the winner of agbeko vs mares needs to fight donaire, rather than a rematch with Vic. Vic should target Montiel, and then aim at whoever is left after Agbeko, Mares and Donaire sort out who is best.

I believe Mares won the fight vs Darchinyan, though it was very close. But in a tale of 2 halves in an even fight, i will generally go with the guy finnishing strong rather than the guy who wins the early rounds. Mares was coming on, Vic had faded. What i will say is, the refereeing was pretty poor. I believe it definitely cramped Vics style. I remember a few un-penalized low blows as well from Mares. If the refereeing was a bit better, the outcome could have been different. A rematch would be interesting

Agbeko defeated darchinyan more soundly. Prior to the fight, i felt Agbeko had no chance. He seemed slow and ponderous in the video's i watched of him. But he cleanly outboxed a head hunting Vic. Vic is a guy you really need to assess where his head is at to see how he will perform. The guys self belief is unshakable, but it made him his own worst enemy that night. If his head is swollen with pride, he can lose to anyone. But catch him coming back off a loss, he's a different animal. He was just winging punches at Agbeko with no thought. Definitely want to see a rematch with Vic in a 'vengeance' mind set.

Donaire will beat Vic again, no point in this fight unless Darch has beaten one of the others first
and the NEW
Yeh, I think Donaire is a cut above the lot, he really only needs to take the winner of Agbeko V Mares and Moreno to unify and then nothing much more for him to proove at Bantam, he really looks on a different level to them all and that is saying something given how talented the division is!
ViperSniper
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Apr 25 2011, 03:42 AM) *
I agree that the winner of agbeko vs mares needs to fight donaire, rather than a rematch with Vic. Vic should target Montiel, and then aim at whoever is left after Agbeko, Mares and Donaire sort out who is best.

I believe Mares won the fight vs Darchinyan, though it was very close. But in a tale of 2 halves in an even fight, i will generally go with the guy finnishing strong rather than the guy who wins the early rounds. Mares was coming on, Vic had faded. What i will say is, the refereeing was pretty poor. I believe it definitely cramped Vics style. I remember a few un-penalized low blows as well from Mares. If the refereeing was a bit better, the outcome could have been different. A rematch would be interesting

Agbeko defeated darchinyan more soundly. Prior to the fight, i felt Agbeko had no chance. He seemed slow and ponderous in the video's i watched of him. But he cleanly outboxed a head hunting Vic. Vic is a guy you really need to assess where his head is at to see how he will perform. The guys self belief is unshakable, but it made him his own worst enemy that night. If his head is swollen with pride, he can lose to anyone. But catch him coming back off a loss, he's a different animal. He was just winging punches at Agbeko with no thought. Definitely want to see a rematch with Vic in a 'vengeance' mind set.

Donaire will beat Vic again, no point in this fight unless Darch has beaten one of the others first


Good post. I especially agree with the bolded part.

The ref came in between the momentum of the fight a little too much than he needed that night. Vic tends to use his right as a measuring stick which he was told in that fight against Mares to stop doing it, which has never ever been an issue in any of his fights, it's not like he was pushing, backhanding, holding or hitting on the break. As for the fight against Joseph, I think Vic lost the fight against Agbeko as he was going purely for the head in that fight and was over aggressive in doing so. By saying that, Joseph Agbeko as ordinary as he can sometimes look to the eye is a solid boxer who did a great job in sticking to his game plan against Vic and won by a comfy shut out.

QUOTE (and the NEW @ Apr 25 2011, 05:41 AM) *
Yeh, I think Donaire is a cut above the lot, he really only needs to take the winner of Agbeko V Mares and Moreno to unify and then nothing much more for him to proove at Bantam, he really looks on a different level to them all and that is saying something given how talented the division is!


Agree. That is in no way shape or form a knock on the division as I think Bantamweight is not only the most deepest & most competitive but one of the best in boxing at the moment. I just think that's how good Nonito Donaire really is...the dudes skills are through the roof!! Don't want to say easily, but I feel he beats all the Bantamweights comfortably, but he does need to fight the winner and possibly this Moreno guy if he wants to really put an explanation point on the division.
and the NEW
^^^^

Yeh, although I don't think Moreno is that good, he appears to be somewhere at his peak to me and he struggled with Cermeno and even Sydorenko.

I think the winner of Agbeko V Mares is the best of the rest, but no doubt there are a heap of great fighters for even Perez and Darch to fight left otehr than those two. I would like to see Vic fight Montiel also, or perhaps Kameda...
ViperSniper
QUOTE (and the NEW @ Apr 25 2011, 12:32 PM) *
^^^^

Yeh, although I don't think Moreno is that good, he appears to be somewhere at his peak to me and he struggled with Cermeno and even Sydorenko.

I think the winner of Agbeko V Mares is the best of the rest, but no doubt there are a heap of great fighters for even Perez and Darch to fight left otehr than those two. I would like to see Vic fight Montiel also, or perhaps Kameda...


As highly as I rate Donaire P4P & skill wise, I must say the winner of Agbeko-Mares will be the man at Bantamweight based on resume in that division for me. Kind of how Mosley was the man at Welterweight when he fought Mayweather, yet Mayweather was still the man P4P.

I'm really hoping Donaire & the winner of the Bantamweight tourney happens!
and the NEW
Well it is hard Viper, because guys like Montiel and Hasegawa never fought the likes of Mares, Darch, Agbeko or Perez, so we don't know how the stack up......

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