QUOTE (caneman @ Apr 24 2011, 07:21 PM)
There are some other factors to here...Mosley for the most part lost every big fight he ever had
I have seen many people say this which I not only agree with but think it's a tad unfair to say that. Mosley has never NOT had a big fight and won all of them until he stepped in the ring against Forrest. The 3 biggest names Mosley has stepped in the ring with is De La Hoya, Mayweather and now Pacquaio & is is 2-1-0. Fact is, if you ONLY step in the ring with the best you are going to lose, and if any of the fighters around had the career Mosley did they would have bound to lose many fights too. No fighter has been bigger than Oscar De La Hoya and he beat him twice, the first time being a big upset. Only difference now is he has faced these new cash cows in Mayweather and now Pacquaio when he was well past his best fighting days in fights he wasn't meant to win to begin with.
QUOTE (TheFonz @ Apr 24 2011, 07:51 PM)
Mosley's reflexes will betray him. It will be sad to watch.
Mosley non-existing reflexes will betray him and his much slowed down hands. Yes, it's going to be very hard and sad to watch.
QUOTE (Big Slim Sweet @ Apr 24 2011, 10:52 PM)
The closer this fight gets, the more one sided it looks to me. Shane will have a decent moment or two, but Pac is really going to beat the stuffing out of him, and I don't think it's going to take nearly as long as some are predicting for that to start happening.
The speed difference, like others are saying, is going to be startling. Mosley can't just wing those shots with his eyes closed and head cocked to the side against Manny the way he did against Margarito. Manny is going to be lighting him up with 1-2's down the pipe. Mosley's going to get all sorts of intimidated after a couple of rounds and turn gun shy, and then he'll be a sitting duck. Same as Cotto was, except Shane's too much of a warrior - and really, not enough of a boxer - to try riding his bicycle for the rest of the fight. It spells doom.
Right now I see Naz stopping the fight around the 6th or 7th. Shane Mosley is one of my all time favorite fighters and this is going to be difficult to watch. Short of a hail Mary Sunday punch in the first or second rounds I see virtually no way for him to pull this out. I hope he proves me wrong, but at 39 I highly doubt it.
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Apr 24 2011, 11:24 PM)
Slim I like Mosley as well but I've gotta tell you I thought he sorta shut it down from about the 5th or 6th against Mayweather. Floyd was hitting and hurting him a lot in that fight and I have to say I thought Shane stopped fighting a little bit and protected himself from the KO loss.
It's not often you see Mayweather stopping fighters either and he was hurting Mosley. Pac is a much better offensive fighter than Mayweather, who hits harder and will be punching and landing much more often. Pac will overwhelm Mosley with his power and speed, not giving him Mosley time and space to load his big shots.
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Apr 25 2011, 12:59 AM)
i think all the political shit is just used on 24/7 and other shows to hype the fight. they make it seem like Manny is too busy to train and the other guy should have an easy night but in reality the dude doesn't stand a chance.
i think the biggest factor in this fight is Mosley's stamina. Pac wants to fight but he also has quick feet and his boxing is good enough to where he can stay out of trouble if he wants to. personally i think it could be a good fight for 4 rounds but once Mosley gets tired it's going to be ugly. he'll just be completely open for every straight left and combo while Pac has the stamina to keep throwing and keep moving. Mosley is trying to put too much on Pac wanting to fight because Pac aint no dummy and i really doubt he'll stand toe to toe with Mosley if he doesn't want to.
They have been using this angle to hype his fights for his last couple of fights now. One thing I admire about Manny is he appears to train his ass off in intense work outs and it has always shown in his fighting style.
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Apr 25 2011, 04:33 AM)
Right, but The Flinch will be in that ring alone.
I doubt that he will be there to hit until SSM has gassed.
Knowledge of a possible weakness and follow through can be a bridge too far.
I'm not feelin' it, LL.
But he is another year older and he looked old and weak in his last fight (8 months ago).
Didn't look like it at the open workout.
It could still be the year of the upsets if Pac won, and say Pavlik got his ass whipped.
I appreciate your optimism, LL. I was that guy a year ago. I hope you are right . . . but I am convinced you are wrong. That said, the way I've been pickin' lately, I may be Pac's worst enemy.
As good at Naz is and all the respect he gets, I didn't see him being a factor when Mosley got soundly beat by Mayweather and Mora.
Mosley won't be as effective and busy to the body late in the fight like Margarito was. By that point pac may already be celebrating inside the ring with his team or if not be walking a beatin, reluctant Mosley down.
QUOTE (Big Slim Sweet @ Apr 25 2011, 04:33 AM)
Not disputing that Mosley gave up trying to win in that fight at all. But he didn't get on his bike the way Cotto did against Pac. He just kinda followed Floyd around, refusing to take any risks for the reward, content to go the distance. That won't work 12 rounds against Pacquaio, who will not - as Beardo aptly put it - have mercy on him or refuse to take risks himself. Manny will go for the kill, and Shane will be there to get it.
This is why they took this fight. Not because they know they will beat him, but they think they can stop him! He may have not been in many toe-to-toe wars but based on his average defense and tough opponents he has taken on he has taken a lot of punishment over the years and it's starting to show when punchers land. As tough as Shane is and as good as great as his chin is, he doesn't take shots that great anymore, like he showed earlier on in his career. He doesn't have that sturdiness or the reflexes to move away from those shots anymore.
The more I think about this fight, the more it pisses me off and the more I'm concerned for Mosley's safety.