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SmartyBeardo
No, I'm not asking if SSM has a chance in hell. I am asking someone, anyone, to make an argument that he will win this fight.

Crickets.

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ May 3 2011, 04:50 AM) *
No, I'm not asking if SSM has a chance in hell. I am asking someone, anyone, to make an argument that he will win this fight.

Crickets.


C'mon you know the answer to this. Our main man LilLightsOut.

I don't think Shane could beat him even if he used a little Whipsmash!
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ May 3 2011, 05:06 AM) *
Deep down inside I don't think even LL is willing to actually pick SSM.


You know he does. What he's conflicted by is that he really wants to sig bet this one but is still traumatized by what happened the last time he went to the FH Sig Bet Casino.
D-MARV
The problem is that the only shot Shane would have had was to land a haymaker early. I think he will catch Pacquiao at some point but it will have no effect! Since moving up in weight, Pacquiao chin has become all time greatness!
neophyte7
I was watching Shane against Margarito... man.. he destroyed Margarito with precision 1, 2's... he was mean... nasty... If this Shane shows up and he works his jab he is more than a live dog.. I am rooting for Mosley here and he is not and has not been a favorite of mines. Shane has long arms he should stick that jab out at pac from start to finish come with the right hand an follow up with left hooks. I want to see if Pac bangs his gloves together when Shane cracks him with some power shots. Margarito made it to the finish line against Pac so I am not buying into the tremendous power or Pac-- he don't hit as hard as Mosely and although old.. Mosley is much faster than Margarito
EAlbian

I think the lateral movement will be too much for shane and because of Pac's high work-rate he will stop him. Shane doesnt like movers and Pac will use his legs. I wish Mosley wouldn't have taken this route because after this fight everybody and their mother will be calling him to retire and i think he could have had solid fights with Angulo, Cotto, Alvarez, Ortiz, Berto. He may make more for this fight but he sold his soul to the devil, he could have stayed relevant for at least a year or two more. I hope I'm wrong and Pac's giant head finally cracks open, i swear the things buoyant
JD
Mosley is going to get embarrassed.
Spyder
Shane doesn't have it in him to throw with Pac anymore. To beat a speedster like Pac, Shane would have to punch while Pac is punching. If he waits for openings like he's been doing in recent years, then he'll get smoked before he finds one.

I would give the Shane from the FIRST Oscar fight an edge in this matchup...but not this guy. He doesn't fight like that anymore.
TheFonz
Pac is going to "look" a defensive genius.
lloyd mayflower
All I know is if I am sober enough to put money on this fight, it will be on Pac by decision.

By the way, if any of you are in Vegas and see 4 young Scottish males absolutely blazing drunk and probably badly sunburnt in the vicinity of the MGM, congratulations, you just met Mayflower!
JD
I think the under is the way to go.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (JD @ May 3 2011, 05:20 PM) *
I think the under is the way to go.


Help me out mate. Im not familiar with american betting terminology
JD
The over / under is 11.5 rounds.

If you think it would go past midway through the 12th, bet the over. If you think it will end before midway through the 12th, bet the under. The odds on the under are -130, which means that if you wager $130, you win $100 (or get a total of $230 back, your $130 plus the winnings). I think the odds on the over are something like +110, which means that if you wager $100, you win $110 (or get a total of $210 back, you $100 plus the winnings).

Basically this wager means that you are not picking a winner, only that it will not last until the middle of the 12th.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (JD @ May 3 2011, 05:29 PM) *
The over / under is 11.5 rounds.

If you think it would go past midway through the 12th, bet the over. If you think it will end before midway through the 12th, bet the under. The odds on the under are -130, which means that if you wager $130, you win $100 (or get a total of $230 back, your $130 plus the winnings). I think the odds on the over are something like +110, which means that if you wager $100, you win $110 (or get a total of $210 back, you $100 plus the winnings).

Basically this wager means that you are not picking a winner, only that it will not last until the middle of the 12th.


Appreciated. I will take that into consideration
Michigan Assassin
I'm not one of the many to say Mosley is going to get destroyed but I'm not about to pick Shane to get the W either.

But there are things that I think Shane brings to the table that could give Manny some troubles. Both Cotto and Margarito did well when going to Pacman's body. In fact, Margarito hurt him on 2 or 3 occasions. I see this as one of Shane's best attributes. He digs into the body with full weight behind his punches.

This is a much better matchup for Shane than Floyd was in my opinion. Shane is the fastest guy Pacman has fought recently and it will be interesting to see how that affects him.
BGv2.0
I'm picking it right here mark it....SSM WINS this fight!!!!!

Why....simple really....I refuse to believe you can continue to go to a well of great fighter after great fighter and not eventually come up short.

After Manny's last few wins I've said I will never pick against him....but at the same time...I've always believed that if you fight one giant long string of great fighters....at some point...despite size, age, whatever....one is going to get you.

I'm making SSM my one!

EAlbian
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ May 3 2011, 04:15 PM) *
I'm picking it right here mark it....SSM WINS this fight!!!!!

Why....simple really....I refuse to believe you can continue to go to a well of great fighter after great fighter and not eventually come up short.

After Manny's last few wins I've said I will never pick against him....but at the same time...I've always believed that if you fight one giant long string of great fighters....at some point...despite size, age, whatever....one is going to get you.

I'm making SSM my one!


I'll take Mayweather as my one if that fight ever happens haha, other than him nobody beats Pac below 160 right now. I woulda taken PWill a year ago but he may be damaged for good and Bob never woulda made that fight.

Maybe Gamboa is the guy in a year or two. maybe im crazy but he's fast enough, has power, is only an inch shorter, and has a longer reach. I know he only fights at 126 but 3 years ago pac fought at 135, i think it will take another little man tobe able to beat Pac. I just dont see anyone else that brings the specialness needed to beat Pac other than Mayweather. Gamboa and Donaire are the only other guys on the Horizon that i think are truely special in that same sense.
RyanTical
Ehhhh... I think we may see Shane Mosley hit the canvas and it will be early in the fight. Pacquiao will just be too fast for him with those inaccurate arm punches and repetitious combinations. I can gurantee that the punch output between the two will be 4-to-1 in favor of Pacquiao. Just put another feather in Top Rank's cap for managing to pull in another zombie from the graveyard.

Bob "Protect Your Investment" Arum will not allow Pacquiao to fight anyone with a pulse.

Prepare for Juan Manuel Marquez to make his long-awaited return to 147 if he gets his third fight with Pacquiao. I can't wait to hear what that hack Bert Sugar has to say if that fight every happens. I cannot wait to hear the contradictions that liter his rhetoric.
King Eugene
It will be good as long as it last. If Pac gives a lot of movement early and frustrate Mosley, Pac will either decision him or stop him late but he he choose to engage with Mosley early to make it an exciting fight dont be surprised to a pretty damn good fight. Mosley's confidence will slowly rise if he has half the success landing on Pac as Margarito did and that will keep him motivated to fight. If Roach wants a safe win he'll have Manny dart in and out then getting the hell out of the way all night. If Manny choose to go toe to toe and sit on the ropes a few times letting Mosley T off on him to see if he can take his punches like he did with Cotto prepare to be surpised.

I'm rooting for Shane but at the end of the day I believe he'll just be embarrassed. The only way Pac can look better than Mayweather in this fight is if he KO's Mosley and in order to do that he'll have to sit down on his punches which will give Mosley an opportunity to fire off as well. Pac doesn't have one punch KO power at WW so this will be interesting if he sits in there and let his hands go early. More than likely he wont do that til Mosley has been worn down though.
STEVENSKI
Keen to see that confused face Shane puts on after round 2 in most fights. He is onto a surefire loser in this scrap.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ May 4 2011, 12:21 AM) *
Keen to see that confused face Shane puts on after round 2 in most fights. He is onto a surefire loser in this scrap.


Confused and resigned.
The Original MrFactor
I like the way Mosley fights back when he's hurt. I expect him to get hit and maybe not hurt, but Mosley will fight back hard. He's a tough little dude. I'm not counting Mosley out in this one. I may even put a few bucks down on him because of the line. Mosley does very well with guys who bring the fight to him. Guys like Mora and Mayweather aren't the type that Mosley would look good against. The straight punches Mosley kept killing Margarito with, Pac will get hit with too, just because Pac come in straight. Pac is faster than margarito, but he has to get closer in order to hit Mosley. I think that Pacs activity will be the death of him. No matter what happens, Pac is gonna keep coming and Mosley is gonna keep hitting him when he does. Pac may be down on the cards in the first few rounds. I expect Pac(if he's still there), to really step it up in the late rounds. The 9-12th rounds should be interesting... I'll pick Mosley to win a SD. Mosley will weather the storm because he is a tough SOB.

I originally said I would not buy this fight, but I'll pony up the dough for it. I havent had a decent fight party in a while..
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 4 2011, 01:39 AM) *
I like the way Mosley fights back when he's hurt. I expect him to get hit and maybe not hurt, but Mosley will fight back hard. He's a tough little dude. I'm not counting Mosley out in this one. I may even put a few bucks down on him because of the line. Mosley does very well with guys who bring the fight to him. Guys like Mora and Mayweather aren't the type that Mosley would look good against. The straight punches Mosley kept killing Margarito with, Pac will get hit with too, just because Pac come in straight. Pac is faster than margarito, but he has to get closer in order to hit Mosley. I think that Pacs activity will be the death of him. No matter what happens, Pac is gonna keep coming and Mosley is gonna keep hitting him when he does. Pac may be down on the cards in the first few rounds. I expect Pac(if he's still there), to really step it up in the late rounds. The 9-12th rounds should be interesting... I'll pick Mosley to win a SD. Mosley will weather the storm because he is a tough SOB.

I originally said I would not buy this fight, but I'll pony up the dough for it. I havent had a decent fight party in a while..


Look at the problems that Mosley had with Mayweather's speed, why will it be any different with Pac? After that 2nd round there were times that Floyd actually stood in the pocket a little more than usual and Mosley was able to do zip.

Mora is just a boring fighter so scratch that fight. What Shane really has problems with is speed, particularly as he has slowed down somewhat. Pac brings speed plus and if you think Manny is just going to walk right in you are nuts. Rewatch his fight with Hoya. Yes The Golden One was weight drained but I expect Pac to use similiar tactics as he did in that fight. In and out, circling and coming in from angles.

It will be once again the night of a thousand bee stings.
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ May 3 2011, 05:58 AM) *
C'mon you know the answer to this. Our main man LilLightsOut.


I don't think Shane could beat him even if he used a little Whipsmash!


Damn Straight brother!!!

My heart tells me Shane is going to win this, but my head is saying otherwise.

My official pick is Mosley by early or mid rounds brutal stoppage.

Pac is there to be hit, unlike the defensive wizard in Mayweather. Pac will stand and fight and it WILL be his downfall. Pac will get hit harder than ever before.

Now I will admit Mosley looked subpar in his last two outings and had trouble letting his hands go. And if he fights similar against Pac, he is in big trouble. BUT I truly believe he has one great fight left in him and he wants to prove so many wrong and will prevail.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ May 4 2011, 02:51 AM) *
My official pick is Mosley by early or mid rounds brutal stoppage.


And my official pick is you still believe in the Easter Bunny laugh.gif

Just to warm myself up I've been going back and rewatching some of the Pac-man's last few fights (let's face it they're entertaining) and I think it's a slight fallacy that he gets hit early in fights.

He only tends to eat shots later when he feels as though he has sapped the other guys strength and is happy to walk through punches in order to his opponent off. Margarito was a wake-up call, why else do you think he's training (allegedly) as hard as he has.

Trust me Manny is no fool, he's a congressman for chrissakes!!!!
HaydelHammer
what is the over/under on the round Nazim will say to shane "you are not doing what we did in camp?" "stop loading up one shot" "where is your jab?" ...etc (meanwhile shane has his glazed over look like he does when it's going down hill for him)

I say rd 7....this will be when it all goes downhill imo and turns into a speed bag fest manny darting in and out making shane look like and old washed fighter.
gravytrain
QUOTE (HaydelHammer @ May 4 2011, 09:50 AM) *
what is the over/under on the round Nazim will say to shane "you are not doing what we did in camp?" "stop loading up one shot" "where is your jab?" ...etc (meanwhile shane has his glazed over look like he does when it's going down hill for him)

I say rd 7....this will be when it all goes downhill imo and turns into a speed bag fest manny darting in and out making shane look like and old washed fighter.


too late.

Richardson is going to throw in the towel then strangle Mosley with it.
caneman
I think SSM will finch all night and won't believe the speed but honestly, Pac should be there to hit a few times, can SSM make it count? I don't think so!
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (caneman @ May 4 2011, 12:42 PM) *
I think SSM will finch all night and won't believe the speed but honestly, Pac should be there to hit a few times, can SSM make it count? I don't think so!


i dont think so either...
ViperSniper
QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ May 4 2011, 12:37 PM) *
Did you watch the same Mora fight that I did? SSM just loading up with telegraphed shit . . . "OK, here comes a old man's fantasy heavy bag left . . . now I'm going to pull way back and throw my right."

The fact that a 39 year old SSM is the fastest dude Pac has fought recently says more about The Little Green Monster's competition than it does about SSM.


BGv2.0 steps up to the plate . . . and why not? You have even less to lose than SSM. And isn't that the point? SSM has nothing to lose but brain cells and a helluva payday to gain.

Pac has fought a long series of damaged goods with an African heavy bag sandwiched neatly between them. You got it . . . a shit sandwich for the boxing world delivered to you by Dusty the organ grinder; the piece of dogshit so fuckin old in every conceivable way that the mold done died and he is dissolving before our eyes.


#2 steps up to the plate. You honestly believe that if this is close and it goes to the cards that SSM is going to get the nod? Come on, man! The only way SSM gets a SD is if he dominates to the tune of 10 rounds to 2 or more. That ain't happenin'.


LL, you got the attitude of a 3 year old huntin' dog. Don't ever lose that.

PBF's gonna be "watchin' Lady Gaga on HBO." Case fuckin' closed . . . motherfucker is a switch hitter at best . . . go gittim SSM. Take that little mofo to hell with you.


THIS right here on the 2nd line!!


Pac's people are superb match makers that's for sure!! Manny has managed to get the best of both worlds by getting a string of fights with big names of the sport in low risk/high reward bouts with Mosley being the most respectable name of them all so far. Weather they have been shot, weight drained, payed, damaged, old or a combination, he has gotten too much credit from some of those victories by the media, boxing fans and casual and as a result his ATG status has been blown out of proportion! Mosley may be faster than the rest of the opponent, but I wouldn't regard Mosey having quick hands or specially feet anymore like Pac keeps bringing up...he is using a younger Mosley as a description to the one he is fighting now. Mosley fights like he has grip tape underneath his shoes

It's easy to look like a boxing god when the opponent across from you doesn't even test & push you, regardless of their name and past capabilities.

QUOTE (HaydelHammer @ May 4 2011, 01:50 PM) *
what is the over/under on the round Nazim will say to shane "you are not doing what we did in camp?" "stop loading up one shot" "where is your jab?" ...etc (meanwhile shane has his glazed over look like he does when it's going down hill for him)

I say rd 7....this will be when it all goes downhill imo and turns into a speed bag fest manny darting in and out making shane look like and old washed fighter.


Yup. Forget all the episodes of 360 and all the "Mosley is dangerous/Manny isn't taking him lightly" hype, this is exactly how it's going to end up. I'm going to say this will start happening from rounds 3-4 with Mosley huffing and puffing in the corner.

Mosley isn't Hopkins who is still an effective fighter at his age...as knowledgeable as Nazim may be, he has gotten to Mosley way to late in his career, who has been on the down slope for years now!

QUOTE (gravytrain @ May 4 2011, 05:26 PM) *
too late.

Richardson is going to throw in the towel then strangle Mosley with it.


Too late is exactly the feeling I think Richardson is going to be. I gotta a feeling people are going to be surprised with how easily Manny's shots are going to be able to hurt Mosley! Mosley's chins is starting to show cracks! He hasn't shown to take them as good as he used with how he reacts..him pulling his head back isn't going to help, lateral movement isn't something he has shown for ages.

I think Pac well start hurting Mosley early on and may be able to land enough significant shots by the mid rounds before the ref has a chance to wave it off, or Richardson uses his towel for another reason his not used to!
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